CFZ What Does This Tell Us?

[blueblood70]

found plastic man

 

[blueblood70]

stash looks good in green paint.

 

[sandbridge77]

Eagles living rent free in someone’s world

 

[blueblood70]

Good point. The Eagles’ emphasis on linemen is prudent. Now that they have to pay their quarterback too, though, the playing field between Dallas and Philly will be equal. Difficult schedules for both teams this season compared to last season. Another tight race.

so sometimes reality vs perception is big

Cowboys run d vs eagles vaunted and very talked about run d

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/defense/rushing/2022/reg/all

seems to me we gave up less YPC and less TDs..odd huh ?? all those DL they added and drafted vs our scrubs. emphasis paid off when they got ran over by a RBBC and EWRBC in the SB. ran over BY a pass happy Mahomes led team ..irony is thick. we also dropped 40 on that defense..zeke had some of his biggest games against them,. Daks regularly beat the eagles more then they've beat him..has hurts beat Dak..

check it closely. Also in the playoff games did our d have an issue stopping tamps and SF run game, answer is no they were great

this pace can keep kissing the eagles tail feathers but they aren't the team im looking too as blueprint for sucess..1 sb in 60years lmao..

 

[ChuckA1]

The FO doesn't supplement their great drafting with great FA's. It takes both to be successful in the playoffs

 

[blueblood70]

The FO doesn't supplement their great drafting with great FA's. It takes both to be successful in the playoffs

don't, like Never? did we not find our starting safety's in Kearse and hooker along with the drafted Wilson as great group now?? we drafted Bland and added Gilmore with other young corners still being developed id say that draft and FA.. traded for cooper drafted Gallup and Lamb developed lamb let cooper go and added cooks..

the narratives are overblown on them doing nothing or not enough over the names and cost of our FAs, fans dont get their way the narrative is they are cheap and do nothing in FA , doesn't mean we dont build teams with FAS.. we tried with Poe and McCoy plus others..

Last year Barr, peters, Hankins, Maher, fowler, TY Hilton and others contributed to that 2nd round playoff berth.. not enough for fans because the did get the ones on their lists.,

 

[CowboyRoy]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

Its pretty obvious. Eagles use other means then just the draft. They also draft more important positions like Oline and Dline when we draft RB's and get punters in the pro bowl. They have also had much better coaching than we have. Cmon Garrett for 14 years here? There is your answer.

 

[BlindFaith]

The NFL rewards poor records with high draft choices. Sniffing the playoffs or one and done every year hurts you from a draft perspective.

Jerry wants to be relevant every year. That sells tickets and merch. Keeps the valuation of the team high.

Sometimes you need to lose to win.

 

[jazzcat22]

Can’t ignore leading the league in penalties or being close to it for many years now. Penalties at critical times have taken points off the board and killed momentum in games……that’s just one aspect to consider. Discipline

Or ref bias.

 

[ChuckA1]

don't, like Never? did we not find our starting safety's in Kearse and hooker along with the drafted Wilson as great group now?? we drafted Bland and added Gilmore with other young corners still being developed id say that draft and FA.. traded for cooper drafted Gallup and Lamb developed lamb let cooper go and added cooks..

the narratives are overblown on them doing nothing or not enough over the names and cost of our FAs, fans dont get their way the narrative is they are cheap and do nothing in FA , doesn't mean we dont build teams with FAS.. we tried with Poe and McCoy plus others..

Last year Barr, peters, Hankins, Maher, fowler, TY Hilton and others contributed to that 2nd round playoff berth.. not enough for fans because the did get the ones on their lists.,

Over the last 27 years, they have been miserable in FA. Yes, Kearse is a stud, but most of the players they've brought in are tier 2 guys.

 

[Stash]

and that supposed to keep me from bring up the obvious too much rival talk all season, off season and its all boot licking vs real cowboy fans HATE the East rivals yet here we are in Cowboys forum talking up the eagles. sorry you lie the tastes of eagle boot but it shows how weak-minded Cowboys fans have got..

ILL just kleep posting anti-eagles posts every single one i see , as matter fact ill save a bunch for easy copy and paste responses to go to every non-cowboys post and muddle it up.

carry on, ready ,set, go.....

Go that route, see how it works out for you.

 

[Stash]

threats by a power wielding staff..i see, dont like it when the games played the same way so go full censorship.. i stand by my complaint, this is Cowboys ZONE area and is for Cowboys topics not eagles or any other NFL team.

1st amendment only works when the topics are pro-powers that be,, got it rules only apply to us but hey if you like Cowboys bashing and posts that clearly by rules don't belong in this area, let it fly , fly eagles fly.

found the infiltrators.

I’ll give you a quick head’s up before you get into trouble. You don’t control what others talk about.

If you don’t like a thread, don’t post in it.

 

[plasticman]

I wonder why the entire coaching staff didn’t see that?

They probably did. However, they were not in a position of authority to do anything about it because of who their "real" head coach was.

Many of you are younger fans may not know that when Wade Phillips was head coach, the Cowboys had no defensive coordinator. That job was also Phillips. Jerry's "media" opinion was that he hired one of the best DC's to be his head coach, Why waste all that valuable experience just because he is a head coach?

Jerry went on to explain that he would even assist Wade by alleviating him of some other duties......like head coach. Jerry decided that, instead of burdening Wade with the offense, the offensive coordinator, Jason Garrett would report directly to him.

So Wade Phillips had no communication with the offense except for coordinating practices and during the games.

Now, when you have the HC who is also the DC and you have the OC both directly reporting to the same person, what is the title generally given to that person?

That's right. Jerry Jones had usurped the position of head coach in addition to almost exclusive decision making as to the draft and free agency. It was the reason they tanked so bad in 2010 and also how Jason Garrett became a head coach.

 

[Kwyn]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

Umm, “this” doesn’t tell us anything beyond the fact that the Eagles managed to win a Super Bowl.

We’re behind on that front and that’s all that matters.

 

[plasticman]

Umm, “this” doesn’t tell us anything beyond the fact that the Eagles managed to win a Super Bowl.

We’re behind on that front and that’s all that matters.

Yes, but how?

The facts I mentioned eliminated draft talent as a reason. You disagree and that's fair, so far as you discuss why.

I then invited anyone else with an opinion to discuss what they think the issue is and I enjoyed the responses.

You've expressed an opinion but why should anyone consider it without explanation? Don't you want to discuss it?

 

[kskboys]

Yes, but how?

The facts I mentioned eliminated draft talent as a reason. You disagree and that's fair, so far as you discuss why.

I then invited anyone else with an opinion to discuss what they think the issue is and I enjoyed the responses.

You've expressed an opinion but why should anyone consider it without explanation? Don't you want to discuss it?

Disagree. The Eagles are loaded w/ draft talent, which they've very wisely supplemented w/ smart FA signings such as Hargrave, AJ Brown, and their defensive backfield. However, their entire OL was built from the draft, as well as Cox, Hurts, Sanders, Goedert, Devonta Smith, and Graham.

The Eagles are a perfect example of how you use the draft in conjunction with FA and trades to build a contender. They also benefitted greatly from the brilliant Wentz trade and even moreso from having the foresight to dump a player for valuable resources.

 

[jazzcat22]

Disagree. The Eagles are loaded w/ draft talent, which they've very wisely supplemented w/ smart FA signings such as Hargrave, AJ Brown, and their defensive backfield. However, their entire OL was built from the draft, as well as Cox, Hurts, Sanders, Goedert, Devonta Smith, and Graham.

The Eagles are a perfect example of how you use the draft in conjunction with FA and trades to build a contender. They also benefitted greatly from the brilliant Wentz trade and even moreso from having the foresight to dump a player for valuable resources.

They were lucky the Colts were dumb to trade for Wentz, as that was Reich thinking he could have success with him.
if not for that, no one would have made that trade for Wentz.

Don't act it was a stroke of genius from them.

However, yes, the use of FA and the draft saved them well. But Dallas has had better draft success. But the refusal of getting better players in FA has made a difference in a negative way so far.
Well possibly so far. It could prove long term Dallas did better by not over paying FA's, long term.

 

[gtb1943]

don't, like Never? did we not find our starting safety's in Kearse and hooker along with the drafted Wilson as great group now?? we drafted Bland and added Gilmore with other young corners still being developed id say that draft and FA.. traded for cooper drafted Gallup and Lamb developed lamb let cooper go and added cooks..

the narratives are overblown on them doing nothing or not enough over the names and cost of our FAs, fans dont get their way the narrative is they are cheap and do nothing in FA , doesn't mean we dont build teams with FAS.. we tried with Poe and McCoy plus others..

Last year Barr, peters, Hankins, Maher, fowler, TY Hilton and others contributed to that 2nd round playoff berth.. not enough for fans because the did get the ones on their lists.,

NO, unlike you and those like you who are happy as pigs in slop to make the playoffs, they want Lombardi's and all your excuse making does not make up for our failure to SNIFF ONE IN 27 YEARS while your hero and company have been running things.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think playing for e cowboys is exhausting and by the end of these seasons these guys are shot

 

[kskboys]

They were lucky the Colts were dumb to trade for Wentz, as that was Reich thinking he could have success with him.
if not for that, no one would have made that trade for Wentz.

Don't act it was a stroke of genius from them.

However, yes, the use of FA and the draft saved them well. But Dallas has had better draft success. But the refusal of getting better players in FA has made a difference in a negative way so far.
Well possibly so far. It could prove long term Dallas did better by not over paying FA's, long term.

It was a stroke of genius. Don't act like it wasn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eagles have been in two super bowls in last 5 years. Since the draft is the primary way in which you build super bowl teams, I wouldn't be so quick to crown us. We take some good players, but do we form a good team?

Looks like that might be changing w/ MM. To be seen.