CFZ What Does This Tell Us?

[KingCorcoran]

probowls are no longer measure of success for NFL players. its a popularity contest.

and eagles owner is better than Jerry jones. Jerry wasted 10 years on garrett. wouldn't fire him his last two years, because he would have to pay his salary.

we don't make football decisions. we make money decisions. we are worth 3, 4 times as much as eagles.

Well, worth more. Recent values were set at $8 billion vs. $4.9 billion.

 

[jazzcat22]

Ok so now from “meaningful stats” we go to “feelings” LOL

Keep moving those goalposts

I don’t move them at all. When it is the truth they do not need to be moved.

 

[visionary]

I don’t move them at all. When it is the truth they do not need to be moved.

So since you moved them does that mean you’re lying?

 

[KingCorcoran]

If the answer is not that the draft is only 1 arrow in the quiver and trades and free agency are equally important, then there is no answer. Also for your consideration is the Eagles have relied on a strong defense for a while now. They have drafted 5 DTs in the fist round since 2000. The Cowboys have drafted 0. I think it is hard to argue that teams need to be strong up the middle.

Good point. The Eagles’ emphasis on linemen is prudent. Now that they have to pay their quarterback too, though, the playing field between Dallas and Philly will be equal. Difficult schedules for both teams this season compared to last season. Another tight race.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Well, worth more. Recent values were set at $8 billion vs. $4.9 billion.

ok, about twice as much...still yet. dallas has made some business moves.

 

[jazzcat22]

So since you moved them does that mean you’re lying?

I guess you can’t comprehend.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

The MASSIVE difference between us and the Eag's is that they aren't afraid to retool and more likely to reinvest the draft picks in trades. They are in the final year of an All-In period, after which I assume they trade what they have left and build from the plethora of recent 1st Rd picks.

Jerry runs the Cowboys like a family, not a football franchise.
Howie can run circles around our GM dang how he moved up and stole Dallas TE is just a small sign of how inept we are at the GM level.
Pro Bowls are for little children to brag about.....

 

[kskboys]

I believe our #1 D that year had no pro-bowlers either.

And that shows you how bad the Pro Bowl is as a judgment tool. Haley, Casillas, James Washington, Lett, Robert Jones, all top players. Hades, Jimmie Jones was easily the best rotational DT in the NFL.

 

[kskboys]

Yikes. I don’t know that I could be an admin for a forum over a sports team that I believe in my heart has absolutely 0 chance to win a championship every year. Seems like a masochist

It is definitely a ton of work. The hate you take is monumental.

 

[kskboys]

People in here are quick to discredit the pro bowl..and that’s fine, it is a joke

But there are no two ways about it. The cowboys are a better team than the eagles when it comes to drafting. This thread has validity

Are they? Not sure about that.

 

[eromeopolk]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

Your Owner is the Dumbo GM and defacto Head Coach all with the same name...Jerry Jones

 

[plasticman]

If Pro Bowls are so meaningless, then why are they used as a criteria for the Hall of Fame. They always mention the of number of Pro Bowls in addition to other awards in order to justify induction into the Hall of Fame

Is Pro Bowl designation flawed in some cases? of course! There is no perfect criteria in order to determine the best players in the league.in fact, there shouldn't be any criteria in order to judge a player because it is a team sport and that is the answer to my question, after all.

Despite having better players, the Cowboys are unable to build better teams. This is because, in the past, the Cowboys drafted purely on talent without regard to whether that talent was compatible with the Cowboys style of play.

Quite often, great Cowboys players have been misused. One example is how they tried to turn the team that Parcells built into a prolific passing offense. Guys like Columbo, Gerode, Adams, and Davis were not built to pass protect, they were built to move defenders out of the way. However, Garrett was constantly trying to fill round holes with square pegs when it came to the Cowboys offense.

Spears and Canty were never built to be prolific pass rushers. They were built for a true 3-4 defense were they tie up the O-line so the LB's can get the stats. In truth, Ware wasn't designed to be a linebacker, he was a genuine pass rusher, the type that is featured in a 4-3 defense.

By using Ware almost exclusively as a pass rusher, the Cowboys were destroying a fundamental concept of a 3-4 defense, the 4th "mystery" pass rusher that can come from anywhere. This was what kept O-lines nervous. In the case of the Cowboys. because everybody knew the 4th pass rusher was almost always Ware, they became a 4-3 defense that just lined up incorrectly on every play

 

[KingCorcoran]

If Pro Bowls are so meaningless, then why are they used as a criteria for the Hall of Fame. They always mention the of number of Pro Bowls in addition to other awards in order to justify induction into the Hall of Fame

Is Pro Bowl designation flawed in some cases? of course! There is no perfect criteria in order to determine the best players in the league.in fact, there shouldn't be any criteria in order to judge a player because it is a team sport and that is the answer to my question, after all.

Despite having better players, the Cowboys are unable to build better teams. This is because, in the past, the Cowboys drafted purely on talent without regard to whether that talent was compatible with the Cowboys style of play.

Quite often, great Cowboys players have been misused. One example is how they tried to turn the team that Parcells built into a prolific passing offense. Guys like Columbo, Gerode, Adams, and Davis were not built to pass protect, they were built to move defenders out of the way. However, Garrett was constantly trying to fill round holes with square pegs when it came to the Cowboys offense.

Spears and Canty were never built to be prolific pass rushers. They were built for a true 3-4 defense were they tie up the O-line so the LB's can get the stats. In truth, Ware wasn't designed to be a linebacker, he was a genuine pass rusher, the type that is featured in a 4-3 defense.

By using Ware almost exclusively as a pass rusher, the Cowboys were destroying a fundamental concept of a 3-4 defense, the 4th "mystery" pass rusher that can come from anywhere. This was what kept O-lines nervous. In the case of the Cowboys. because everybody knew the 4th pass rusher was almost always Ware, they became a 4-3 defense that just lined up incorrectly on every play

I wonder why the entire coaching staff didn’t see that?

 

[Big D]

That's what happens when you let your coaching staff learn on the job.

 

[kskboys]

I wonder why the entire coaching staff didn’t see that?

Because Jerry picked them.

 

[shabazz]

Can’t ignore leading the league in penalties or being close to it for many years now. Penalties at critical times have taken points off the board and killed momentum in games……that’s just one aspect to consider. Discipline

 

[Big_D]

Pro bowls are meaningless even if a pro bowl nod is a nice individual accomplishment. Using that vs actually winning playoff games as a marker for drafting well is just flat out ridiculous. If you draft well, your ‘team’ would have postseason success. Specially if you were the so-called “best drafting team’ in football. Just another empty stat to add to an already long list of them.

 

[blueblood70]

and that supposed to keep me from bring up the obvious too much rival talk all season, off season and its all boot licking vs real cowboy fans HATE the East rivals yet here we are in Cowboys forum talking up the eagles. sorry you lie the tastes of eagle boot but it shows how weak-minded Cowboys fans have got..

ILL just kleep posting anti-eagles posts every single one i see , as matter fact ill save a bunch for easy copy and paste responses to go to every non-cowboys post and muddle it up.

carry on, ready ,set, go.....

 

[blueblood70]

Discussing the Eagles is an absolute necessity if we want to discuss the Cowboys opportunity to get to the Super Bowl. They have to get through the Eagles for step #1, which is winning the division. There is just no way around it.

NFC East rivals will always be a hot topic of discussion for Cowboys fans.

its NOT.. go to the non cowboys section to boot lick the eagles, its called NFL zone or Off topic zone or go wank the eagles zone at their site.. Only time its necessary is the 2 weeks we pay them and the playoff game week IF we play then,. That it. if not its non-cowboys off topic NFL zone post..yet here they are all the boot licking, talking up our most hated rival, MI would turn this place out for that,,

that me if i were on FT...the green drool is beyond run its course and will explode.

 

[blueblood70]

Since 2000, the Cowboys have drafted a total of 30 players that have made at least one Pro Bowl. These players have combined for 92 Pro Bowls. During those same, most recent 23 drafts, the Eagles have selected 21 players with at least one Pro Bowl for a combined total of 48 Pro Bowls.

The Cowboys have a third more Pro Bowlers with almost double the combined Pro Bowls compared to the Eagles.

Furthermore:

Cowboys drafted since 2000 have produced 180 times that a draft pick was the starter for a particular season. In total, they participated in 3515 games

The Eagles, meanwhile, have produced 132 starts for their picks in the same drafts with a total participation of 2469 games.

And yet:

The Eagles have made the playoffs 15 times since 2000, playing in 7 conference championship games and 2 Super Bowls.

The Cowboys have made the playoffs 9 times since 2000.

How is this possible?

The Cowboys looked to be drafting better than the Eagles since 2000. The Eagles seem to do better with less. Again, how is this possible?

In my opinion, there are two possibilities. One of them would be poor management of both the salary cap and veteran free agency. The other would be poor coaching with an emphasis on gameplanning.

Obviously, the Cowboys had superior talent in the draft. Considering the results, this could be a case of coaches not knowing how to deploy their weapons, poor strategy. Then again, it could be poor free agency choices, trades, or contracts. It could be very poor cap management.

Clearly, it's not a matter of talent from the draft. What do you think it is?

It Tells us we have too many Eagles fans in the zone that's it That wasn't easy answer anything else
caught glimpse of some of our zone members at watch party..