What Exactly Makes Dez Bryant a Headcase?

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FuzzyLumpkins;3312672 said:
I never heard anything about this supposed call to Merriman's HS coach. Everything I have heard is that a) he wanted Spears first and b) he wanted Merriman.

yes, he wanted spears first, but the scouts and jerry jones outvoted him on the spears issue and went with ware,;

and they did or at least merriman say that the cowboys promised him they would draft him, but they changed their mind at the last minute with the phone call to the high school coach that told parcells something about merriman while he was at high school
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3312666 said:
So basically we have a guy saying that he knows a guy that says that Bryant was drunk at practive. His mother was a crackhead. Gambling experts say he was poor in interviews.

Its all either hearsay or complete BS.

As for the drunk thing I have two big questions. First of all how is it that the coaching staff didn't know or didn't do anything and how is it that no one else knows.

He really couldn't have been that drunk. I am sure we have all seen people that are wasted before. Its pretty obvious. So was he just having a drink or two before practice or was he coming to practice in the morning after tying one off?

Now I will say something. If it is true that he has a drinking problem then you really don't want to have anything to do with him. Pacman has a drinking problem and if you review all of his incidents he was drinking in all of them. He got into his first altercation at a bar spitting on a girl when he was 21.

Now PacMan is an angry drunk but really if he is drinking to the point where he is doing it at practice I am very very surprised that the only source we are hearing it from is a messaqge board.

Now cover2 don't take me saying that the wrong way. I am not making any personal judgement on you in any way shape or form. I just don't know you and I certainly don't know youre source. It just seems odd.

On a final note I am glad that he lied to the NCAA. He made them millions of dollars putting butts in seats and from TV revenue and they gave him what equates to about $40k a year.

Screw them.

let me put it to you this way, you did click on the link that i gave you telling about his life and his mother, father, step mother etc.

he has had a troubled life, and now some more issues have come up

another way to put it is this;
he got suspended and missed rest of games right, he knew he was going into the draft, he even got into trouble with ncaa dealing with deioin sanders right

well why wasnt he in shape ready to run, at the combine, and why did he have to put off his pro day 5 more days later,

i would understand when one publication says this about dez, but when mulitple say it, that to me has merit, yahoo sports said it, nfl network talked bout it somewhat, so did espn, so did several newspapers, this raises red flags, when your going into the draft, and your not ready to run, and you leave the combine not answering some more qustions;

thats why you have scouts, and interviews, thats what the cowboys are doing now, double checking

let me ask you another question, the cowboys pick where, 27th right?

at one point before the draft and combine dez was a top 10 pick, but after suspension, stuff that has come out, etc.. the cowboys interview him early, with 2 other players in the draft before anyone else, trent williams, jason fox and dez

there is no way the cowboys could have traded up to get dez at top 10 picks, no way

yet they interviewed him, wouldnt it make sense they felt he would fall due to issues?

remember warren sapp, he had issues, even emmitt smith with his poor speed in 40, he fell both of them to the 17th pick, remember randy moss, he fell all way to the 21st pick.

ii am thinking that jerry jones remembers what happened with randy moss and how he fell, and his scouts are telling jerry that he will fall due to his issues, so the cowboys are covering their bases just in case dez does fall and they are able to get him, if their scouts say after interviews etc, he is ok, if after interviews scouts say otherwise i dont think they will

remember martellus bennett and how jerry jones has had to have a little talk with him, to grow up and be more serious about football, Dez is in that similar boat to a degree,

so you cover your bases and have interviews;
 

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YOu don't know me very well cj but I have been 'reading deep in the cowboys draft stuff' since the Gailey years. I have been reading pretty much every article, podcast, youtube video etc on this message board and its predecessors and competitors.

What I remember was a lot of talk about how it was hypocritical of Parcells to compare Ware to LT when he was his second choice and he was outvoted.

I just tried to look around to see any mention of that and cursorily I found nothing. Not saying its necessarily not true but do you have a link or something?
 

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So basically, Fuzz, you got the info on why he's considered a headcase... And then dismissed it all.

I mean, pretty much every bit of this beyond what we personally see in games or the combine is hearsay, right? Doesn't mean it's all wrong.

Who knows, not everyone who has problems like this flames out. But I wouldn't bet on turning them around.
 

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after percy harvin's success the chances of Dez dropping to us seem remote to me,even with his problems.I also think JJ will defintely draft him if he falls to us.
 

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Chocolate Lab;3312716 said:
So basically, Fuzz, you got the info on why he's considered a headcase... And then dismissed it all.

I mean, pretty much every bit of this beyond what we personally see in games or the combine is hearsay, right? Doesn't mean it's all wrong.

Who knows, not everyone who has problems like this flames out. But I wouldn't bet on turning them around.

Remember the Mike Vick fiasco? And how fuzzy constantly stuck up for him until concrete proof was there for all to see? fuzzy is zealous for, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".
 

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cowboyjoe;3312710 said:
let me put it to you this way, you did click on the link that i gave you telling about his life and his mother, father, step mother etc.

he has had a troubled life, and now some more issues have come up

another way to put it is this;
he got suspended and missed rest of games right, he knew he was going into the draft, he even got into trouble with ncaa dealing with deioin sanders right

well why wasnt he in shape ready to run, at the combine, and why did he have to put off his pro day 5 more days later,

i would understand when one publication says this about dez, but when mulitple say it, that to me has merit, yahoo sports said it, nfl network talked bout it somewhat, so did espn, so did several newspapers, this raises red flags, when your going into the draft, and your not ready to run, and you leave the combine not answering some more qustions;

thats why you have scouts, and interviews, thats what the cowboys are doing now, double checking

let me ask you another question, the cowboys pick where, 27th right?

at one point before the draft and combine dez was a top 10 pick, but after suspension, stuff that has come out, etc.. the cowboys interview him early, with 2 other players in the draft before anyone else, trent williams, jason fox and dez

there is no way the cowboys could have traded up to get dez at top 10 picks, no way

yet they interviewed him, wouldnt it make sense they felt he would fall due to issues?

remember warren sapp, he had issues, even emmitt smith with his poor speed in 40, he fell both of them to the 17th pick, remember randy moss, he fell all way to the 21st pick.

ii am thinking that jerry jones remembers what happened with randy moss and how he fell, and his scouts are telling jerry that he will fall due to his issues, so the cowboys are covering their bases just in case dez does fall and they are able to get him, if their scouts say after interviews etc, he is ok, if after interviews scouts say otherwise i dont think they will

remember martellus bennett and how jerry jones has had to have a little talk with him, to grow up and be more serious about football, Dez is in that similar boat to a degree,

so you cover your bases and have interviews;

multiple sources saying what? innuendos?

really the only thing I have heard that I really care about is cover2 saying that he was drinking and I find that hard to believe considering the allegation and his coach's history.

I am sorry but draft guides who have very little to no direct knowledge are not very convincing to me especially when logically they make no sense.

He was late to meetings all the time supposedly. Why is it that the same coach that suspended him for being late his first year never did it again?

As for the NCAA, I REALLY don't care. The NCAA uses these young men to make a profit and then only pay them a pittance compared to the windfall they get.

And then there is the out of shape at the combine allegation. Was he overweight? Was he easily winded? Or was he just hurt. Again no specifics just these generalizations.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3312728 said:
multiple sources saying what? innuendos?

really the only thing I have heard that I really care about is cover2 saying that he was drinking and I find that hard to believe considering the allegation and his coach's history.

I am sorry but draft guides who have very little to no direct knowledge are not very convincing to me especially when logically they make no sense.

He was late to meetings all the time supposedly. Why is it that the same coach that suspended him for being late his first year never did it again?

As for the NCAA, I REALLY don't care. The NCAA uses these young men to make a profit and then only pay them a pittance compared to the windfall they get.

And then there is the out of shape at the combine allegation. Was he overweight? Was he easily winded? Or was he just hurt. Again no specifics just these generalizations.

You could not of said it any better, I agree with you 100 percent
 

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Chocolate Lab;3312716 said:
So basically, Fuzz, you got the info on why he's considered a headcase... And then dismissed it all.

I mean, pretty much every bit of this beyond what we personally see in games or the combine is hearsay, right? Doesn't mean it's all wrong.

Who knows, not everyone who has problems like this flames out. But I wouldn't bet on turning them around.

what evidence?

I agree that he broke NCAA rules.

I agree that he was late to meetings his freshman year and was suspended. He was never suspended by the team again.

I agree that he did not run at the combine and claims that he was hurt.

The only source for bad interviews are 'gambling experts.'
The only source for drinking at practice is a poster on this message board.

What am I missing?
 

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Bob Sacamano;3312725 said:
Remember the Mike Vick fiasco? And how fuzzy constantly stuck up for him until concrete proof was there for all to see? fuzzy is zealous for, "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".

You don't remember my stance. After the feds got involved and all that case information was leaked I knew that he was going to be found guilty.

At first especially when the local DA said he wasn't pressing charges I certainly stood by a very important principle that without any personal knowledge on the situation it was irresponsible if not downright despicable to judge someone guilty before found guilty in a court of law.

I stand by that principle and literally would be willing to fight and if necessary die to protect every americans right to that.

No what caused all the uproar is my stance that dog fighting laws were both hypocritical and unjust. I do not believe that animals have any rights and I do not distinguish between cows, dogs, fish etc. They are all not human.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3312737 said:
You don't remember my stance. After the feds got involved and all that case information was leaked I knew that he was going to be found guilty.

At first especially when the local DA said he wasn't pressing charges I certainly stood by a very important principle that without any personal knowledge on the situation it was irresponsible if not downright despicable to judge someone guilty before found guilty in a court of law.

I stand by that principle and literally would be willing to fight and if necessary die to protect every americans right to that.

No what caused all the uproar is my stance that dog fighting laws were both hypocritical and unjust. I do not believe that animals have any rights and I do not distinguish between cows, dogs, fish etc. They are all not human.

No, I remember you running around on here telling people not to convict Vick in the peoples' court of public opinion. Only after it was irrefutable that he was involved in arranging dog-fights did you switch to your argument that dogs were property, not human beings.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3312739 said:
No, I remember you running around on here telling people not to convict Vick in the peoples' court of public opinion. Only after it was irrefutable that he was involved in arranging dog-fights did you switch to your argument that dogs were property, not human beings.

No my stance was and always will be that. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Oh and I wanted irrefutable proof before I was willing to condemn someone. How horrible and stupid of me.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3312745 said:
No my stance was and always will be that. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Oh and I wanted irrefutable proof before I was willing to condemn someone. How horrible and stupid of me.
:rolleyes: You ignored all the proof! It was leaking out before the conviction.

Same thing you're doing now with Bryant. It may be hearsay, or it could also possibly be the truth being leaked out.

No court of inquiry will be convened on the matter, so we'll probably never really know the whole truth. But let's not act like the problems don't exist just because they aren't well-documented in a sort of conviction.

BTW I don't think Bryant's character problems can't be corrected. It's not like he has to be weaned off drugs or anything. So it's not that big a issue to me. Just your history of ignoring all the contrary evidence until it walks up and slaps you in the face.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3312746 said:
:rolleyes: You ignored all the proof! It was leaking out before the conviction.

Same thing you're doing now with Bryant. It may be hearsay, or it could also possibly be the truth being leaked out.

No court of inquiry will be convened on the matter, so we'll probably never really know the whole truth. But let's not act like the problems don't exist just because they aren't well-documented in a sort of conviction.

BTW I don't think Bryant's character problems can't be corrected. It's not like he has to be weaned off drugs or anything. So it's not that big a issue to me. Just your history of ignoring all the contrary evidence until it walks up and slaps you in the face.

So the next time someone "leaks out" information, you'll just believe it?

I heard the Patriots were considering trading a 4th rounder for Roy Williams...the truth is leaking out.
 

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casmith07;3312754 said:
So the next time someone "leaks out" information, you'll just believe it?

I heard the Patriots were considering trading a 4th rounder for Roy Williams...the truth is leaking out.

Not singly. But if it's a torrent of leaks, I would see some truth in it.

BTW, I don't know what you're talking about. It took you 2 years to figure out that Roy Williams sucks.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3312746 said:
:rolleyes: You ignored all the proof! It was leaking out before the conviction.

Same thing you're doing now with Bryant. It may be hearsay, or it could also possibly be the truth being leaked out.

No court of inquiry will be convened on the matter, so we'll probably never really know the whole truth. But let's not act like the problems don't exist just because they aren't well-documented in a sort of conviction.

BTW I don't think Bryant's character problems can't be corrected. It's not like he has to be weaned off drugs or anything. So it's not that big a issue to me. Just your history of ignoring all the contrary evidence until it walks up and slaps you in the face.

So you're willing to judge someone based on rumor and innuendo and I am not.

Its not like a lot of these accusations are well documented. I mean the best source that they come up with are gambling experts?

Give me a break.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3312755 said:
Not singly. But if it's a torrent of leaks, I would see some truth in it.

BTW, I don't know what you're talking about. It took you 2 years to figure out that Roy Williams sucks.

You're taking the bait. 700+ yards and 7 TDs to compliment 1300+ yards and 11 TDs is not "sucks." Overvalued, maybe, but I'll take that kind of production, plus 11-5, plus getting to and winning in the playoffs any day of the week.
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;3312757 said:
So you're willing to judge someone based on rumor and innuendo and I am not.

Its not like a lot of these accusations are well documented. I mean the best source that they come up with are gambling experts?

Give me a break.

I'm willing to be an impartial/non-armchair defense lawyer on the subject.

You know you have a history of sticking by players (Vick, PacMan) to test your argumentative capabilities.
 

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casmith07;3312761 said:
You're taking the bait. 700+ yards and 7 TDs to compliment 1300+ yards and 11 TDs is not "sucks." Overvalued, maybe, but I'll take that kind of production, plus 11-5, plus getting to and winning in the playoffs any day of the week.

Sure you would. You'd sure as hell rip the Commanders for getting the same production for 3 picks and 49 million dollars too.

And yes, Roy Williams is my bete noire.
 

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Bob Sacamano;3312767 said:
Sure you would. You'd sure as hell rip the Commanders for getting the same production for 3 picks and 49 million dollars too.

Actually, I'd be quite upset if the Commanders made it 11-5, beating the Eagles thrice in a season while we finished 4-12, despite what moves they made in the off-season.

It'd be like the "scoreboard" comeback. Skins fans do it all the time to me - "haha, Roy Williams is so terrible! Haha!"

Response: "4-12."
 
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