What happened? A deeper look at the two plays that ended the Baltimore game

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In conclusion these are only two plays in many, but two costly plays nonetheless. I can only think that had the offense been more productive and kept the ball longer over the course of the game, the defense would have been better late. There are only so many bullets an NFL offense can fire at a defense before they hit you on one of them. The less they have the ball the fewer opportunities they have to do so. Outside of these two plays the defense played well.

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The same type of thing happened to Carolina Sunday night...Fox put his defense [who'd given up over 200 yards rushing at that point] in a terrible position versus the best rushing attack in football...and in overtime no less.

[[Someone should probably explain to coaches and coordinators that fatigue affects coordination [due to higher lactate concentrations in muscle groups] and as a game wears on this factor manifests itself in the results...results like the Dallas and Carolina games.]]

Fox had his team deep in NYG territory with about a minute and a half to play but elects to shut down the pass after the Smith penalty and settle for an uncertain 50 yard field goal attempt. I guess he figured he had overtime in his hip pocket...but what he did'nt forsee was the momentum being passed to the home team in an effort to minimize the chances of losing in regulation...that is why Carolina is now 3-4 on the road this year...After trading a possession, New York ran it right down their throats and the gassed defense could do little to stop it...final tally? 301 rushing yards given up...GAME OVER!
 

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Greg Easterbrook (TMQB):

Single Worst Play of the Season -- So Far: Baltimore leads 26-24 with 1:36 remaining in the final game at Texas Stadium. The Boys have three timeouts, so a comeback that ends the stadium's run happily, and causes Dallas to advance, is possible. On the previous Ravens possession, McGahee went 77 yards for a touchdown as numerous Dallas defenders simply laid on the ground and watched, and megabucks corner Terence Newman made only a halfhearted chase attempt. The previous Baltimore play was a pathetic effort by Dallas. Now fullback McClain runs 83 yards for the icing touchdown. McClain is a slow 260-pound power back, yet no Dallas defender catches him. Most Dallas defenders didn't even try to catch McClain; they merely stood watching him go the length of the field, or jogged halfheartedly in his direction. Watch the tape and there's a blur to McClain's left -- it's Neal, the blocking back, who beats all the Dallas defenders down the sideline to escort McClain. Two fullbacks outran the entire Dallas defense, racing past the team's highly paid speed-merchant secondary. Dallas Cowboys defense, you are guilty of the single worst play of the 2008 season -- so far.
 

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Hey Coach Bartel, nice to see you take me up on my invitation and start posting.

Folks if you like this thread, listen to the show tonight. Not doing it tomorrow because it is Christmas Eve.

Coach Bartel will be the other mike on the show tonight.

Thanks for posting coach and taking the time to answer some poster's questions.
 

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cbartel81;2518291 said:
What HAPPENED!? A deeper look at the two plays that ended the Baltimore game
It has always been said that the difference between winning and losing in the NFL always comes down to the team that makes the big plays. You never know when they are going to happen and which one will be the big play. That is why you have to play all of them 100% and to the best of your ability all the time. The most important play in football has and always will be... the next one. The two touchdown runs in the 4th quarter sealed the game in the Ravens favor. Many of us were wondering what happened and who was to blame. I will (as any coach does) go through the tape with you to disect what happened to our defense on these two critical plays. Here we go:

The McGahee Run

The formation is Baltimore's Tackle-over left (unbalanced) set. In ordinary fashion Dallas sets the strength to the overloaded side (their right). Spears is lined up in a weak 1 shade on the right eye of the Center. Ratliff is in a strong 3 (outside eye of the left Guard). Canty in a 9 outside of the over Tackle. Ware in a loose 9 outside of the 3rd Tackle (the TE Heap is on the offensive right with the Guard). Spencer is in a 5 outside Heap. By alignment Thomas (55) is responsible for the weak-side B gap. This is the gap between the Right Guard and TE. James has the strong-side C gap between the 2nd and third tackle. Hamlin should be the extra fitter on James' side and Davis the extra fitter on Thomas' side. The formation looks like this:
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X.................. /Y..G..C..G./T..T/.T/
C..................L../../.E_/..N.../.E...R.............................C
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When the ball is snapped, Dallas runs an "Eddie" line slant to the strength. This tells the End (Spears) he is responsible for the strong-side A gap (between the C and Guard on the right side). Now gap assignments move over 1. This tells Thomas he must now take the weak-side A gap and Davis has to fit into the weak-side B gap. Then we see the problem. As Thomas sees the double-team on Spears he must attack the Guard that gets up to his level with his left shoulder and spill the ball to the unblocked defender Davis. But he doesn't. He engages the Guard with his right shoulder, tries to look behind him, and re-direct too late. As Davis comes to fill his gap he finds Thomas in his way, whom while turning essentially blocks him. Hamlin takes a bad angle and misses and McGahee is off to the races. Spencer is also bad on this play. When he gets this base block by Heap, he needs to bench-press him off of him, fold over, and come flat down the line of scrimmage to make a play on the ball-carrier. He could have easily made this play, but he spends too much time mucking with Heap and not getting down the heel-line. As for Thomas, when he takes in the Guard with the wrong shoulder and not keeping his inside shoulder free, he creates a north-south seam through the heart of the defense. At this point the only thing that will stop McGahee is the goalpost if he hits his head on it. First Thomas, then Spencer, then Hamlin. DO YOUR JOB! PLAY YOUR GAP!

The McClain Run

This is one of the most common running plays in the game. 24 Power-O. Every lineman blocks down, pull the backside Guard to kick the End, and lead with the Fullback. This one is 90% on Spencer and 10% on James. Spencer is reading the outside knee of Heap. As soon as he blocks down, Spencer has to close on the pulling Guard, take his helmet and put it in the knee-cap of the pulling Guard. this will cause a road block and force the ball to bounce outside. James should be there to make this tackle. You can see that James is expecting this to happen and it doesn't because Spencer tries to run around the block to make the tackle. You never ever do this and the end result is why. It allows the hole to expand and allow the Fullback to lead up on the backer and he does. James gets too high on the block, doesn't stay square, and is blasted to the ground. Davis is bad here because he has to come in from outside-in and attck with his inside shoulder. Hamlin has to get lower and take the runners legs out from him. His effort here is pathetic. Above all though, Spencer is aweful. He has to sacrifice his body here to allow James to make this play.Again, DO YOUR JOB! PLAY YOUR GAP! Also, Bradie James you have to decide if you are the hammer or the nail. The nail always loses.

In conclusion these are only two plays in many, but two costly plays nonetheless. I can only think that had the offense been more productive and kept the ball longer over the course of the game, the defense would have been better late. There are only so many bullets an NFL offense can fire at a defense before they hit you on one of them. The less they have the ball the fewer opportunities they have to do so. Outside of these two plays the defense played well. They are directly responsible but they cannot face anybody in this league for that many plays and not expect to give up one or two big plays when they are provided no rest and relief from Romo and company. These are fixable problems but they are running out of time to do so. God-willing they will use this week in practice to cure these problems and get to the playoffs via a Philadelphia win. But, they can do this if the injury bug keeps them from practicing this week. Get out and practice. They will have the whole offseason to heal up if they don't. I hope this clears things up a bit.

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Please post more! That was an awesome post, thanks for your insight!
 

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zeromaster;2519450 said:
I disagree with the analysis is overkill. What we too often get here is statistical and media overkill. Little mistakes get magnified in crucial situations, much like being slightly off in setting a ship's course at night and only realizing it when you hear the waves crashing on the shore.

There's definitely room for this sort of thing here. The drama can stay at the DMN for all I care. No one's putting a a gun to anyone's head here and demanding it all be read or agreed with.

Yeah, who needs to break down what actually occurred on the field? Clearly, the outcome of those two plays was mere window dressing for the fact the defense was distracted by Pacman's return.
 

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JordanTaber;2519538 said:
The OP is way off.

On the McGahee run, aside from the safeties, it's on Marcus Spears, who was flat-out awful. Not only did he get completely blown off the ball by the double team, but he didn't HOLD it. He got moved 5 yards off the ball and BOTH the "post" AND "drive" man got out on the linebackers and cleaned them out (Thomas and James).

Spears should have been cut after this play alone, period. You can't play it any worse than that. Literally, any person on this board could have done just as well (awful) as Spears on that play. He was completely worthless...you might as well have not even had him on the field...would've been the same exact result.

On the McClain run, Spencer did his job in forcing the run to the inside. Had he forced it outside, Neal would've simply led to the outside and blocked Bradie James there, setting up a long run ANYWAY should the safeties have not made the play.

huh??
the mcclain play was off the 4 hole dude it never was intended to go outside and certainly 260 pound mcclain wasnt taking it there.

if mcmain was turned to the sideline he likely never outruns the safeties who then don't have to crash into the middle of the field where the traffic is.

not sure about spears part because i haven't seen the play in 3 days but i can guarantee you spencer played the play wrong both times and did so horribly. it was pointed out by deion and faulk who are hardly football savants BEFORE the play was even run that Spencer was jumping blocks and not taking them on. If you jump a block you have to make the tackle. You can't give up the gap and not make the tackle, period.

the guys were trying to get a 3 yard loss instead of play sound football technique pretty much across the board.
 

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cowboys2233;2519424 said:
This is what I don't understand, this in-depth analysis is total overkill. There were like five guys in position to make the tackle on the McClain run. It wasn't a lack of gap responsibility or poor schemes -- it was totally a matter of god awful tackling.

Poor tackling = lack of effort

Lack of effort = no heart (from some players, including Ken Hamlin.) Sorry, that guy is in my doghouse right now -- I'll come right out and say it, I've NEVER been impressed with that guy, even when he was making a Pro Bowl last year and getting a big contract extension. It was one where I actually deferred to supposedly more knowledgeable people and said "well, there must be something to this guy."

I NEVER saw it. He is an average player at best.

In my opinion, blaming this team's woes on a mere lack of heart is a copout. Poor tackling = lack of effort = no heart is like saying Romo's interception = doesn't appreciate the importance of a possession = he doesn't care to win.

This team has bounced back from losses, bounced back from tough times during games, etc. Never have they just quit.

Not executing your job and not caring don't always equate.
 

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HowAboutThemCowboys;2518387 said:
Bottom line......A lazy team got lazy
I do not expect a D to stay on the field that long and not give something up. This one is on our O not being able to hold the ball. The D is playing like a beast and a half.
 

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ABQcowboyJR;2521656 said:
I do not expect a D to stay on the field that long and not give something up. This one is on our O not being able to hold the ball. The D is playing like a beast and a half.

But in that situation, when our offense suddenly ignites and scores, what, 17 fourth-quarter points, you can't have your defense tanking.

If it can't be expected for a defense to hold strong late in a game when an offense struggles, how have the Bears or Ravens ever won a game over the last decade? How are comebacks ever manageable?

Bartel provided a wonderful anatomy of why the defense let up, but the overall effect underlines this team's problem of late. Somehow, someway -- no matter what has transpired during the game good or bad -- they FIND ways to lose games this time of year.

Sometimes it's a botched snap. Other times it's surrendering 10 points late in the fourth quarter and compounding that with a game-sealing interception returned for a TD. And if not that, it's a blocked punt returned for a touchdown. Against Baltimore, we just chose to take the historic route and allow a pair of 77-plus-yard TD runs in the waning minutes.

Seriously, we lose in some goofy ways.
 

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cbartel81;2521288 said:
Davis was wrong to follow the motion so far. In an over front where gaps for the front ar already predetermined The SS cannot go past the football pre-snap with motion across the formation. He should have stopped right behind James' alignment and keyed the Fullback. Hamlin should have changed his key to the TE. Davis was misaligned at the snap. If the TB and FB both go into the flat on the defensive left on a bootleg they cannot cover both of them because Davis is out of position. Spencer can only cover 1. Davis is wrong here and it cost them becaus ehe should be coming into the hole from outside-in with the near shoulder. The distributioon is wrong and we lose and extra run fitter they cannot account for when he goes across the formation. They have and unbalanced set with an extra Tackle on our left hand side. When the ball is snapped they have 4 (with the FB) to block 4 we have to have Davis there as the extra guy and he removed himseld with motion for no reason.

Yep, Wade as much as said this in the PC yesterday. Said we had a mental error and our guy shouldn't have followed the guy in motion -- otherwise he'd have been right there.
 

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RainMan;2521653 said:
In my opinion, blaming this team's woes on a mere lack of heart is a copout. Poor tackling = lack of effort = no heart is like saying Romo's interception = doesn't appreciate the importance of a possession = he doesn't care to win.

This team has bounced back from losses, bounced back from tough times during games, etc. Never have they just quit.

Not executing your job and not caring don't always equate.
Great post. Pure common sense that will go right in one ear and out the other side on way too many people.
 

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Hostile;2521699 said:
Great post. Pure common sense that will go right in one ear and out the other side on way too many people.


Whoa! A left hook from Hostile -- didn't see that one coming! All I know is Fat Boy McClain should not run for 80 yards on this defense. Take it for what it's worth, but McClain himself said he thought the defense quit.

Perhaps saying they had no heart is a bit harsh, but that was the most godawful display of effort I've ever seen in my life.
 

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Hostile;2521547 said:
Hey Coach Bartel, nice to see you take me up on my invitation and start posting.

Folks if you like this thread, listen to the show tonight. Not doing it tomorrow because it is Christmas Eve.

Coach Bartel will be the other mike on the show tonight.

Thanks for posting coach and taking the time to answer some poster's questions.


Could Coach do one thread like this each week? Perhaps something before or after the game. This is so much more interesting and informative than the usual Romo sucks drivel. :)
 

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Arch Stanton;2521706 said:
Could Coach do one thread like this each week? Perhaps something before or after the game. This is so much more interesting and informative than the usual Romo sucks drivel. :)
I will ask him tonight on the show.

This guy is a great source to talk X's and O's with folks. He is one of the best out there that I have come across in a long time and he is as good a guy as the day is long.
 

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cowboys2233;2521705 said:
Whoa! A left hook from Hostile -- didn't see that one coming! All I know is Fat Boy McClain should not run for 80 yards on this defense. Take it for what it's worth, but McClain himself said he thought the defense quit.

Perhaps saying they had no heart is a bit harsh, but that was the most godawful display of effort I've ever seen in my life.
First of all I was not choosing sides. I didn't even know who he responded to just the content of his post. He is dead on right in what he said and how he said it.

As fans we get frustrated and we let emotions carry the day. Emotions can cloud facts. I know from my own personal first hand experience. So I wasn't left hooking you so much as I was agreeing with what he said and how he said it. It was said with common sense and good forethought thinking a situation all the way through rather than relying on gut.
 

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Great stuff coach. I look forward to your being here a long time. Hopefully.
 

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Great post. Thanks.

Eric Berry would have destroyed both of those guys.

He's 19 or 20 years old.

It was elementary safety play.
 

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Poor tackling = lack of effort = no heart is like saying Romo's interception = doesn't appreciate the importance of a possession = he doesn't care to win.

This is very well put and should be macro'ed into every What's Wrong thread on here.
 

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Arch Stanton;2521706 said:
Could Coach do one thread like this each week? Perhaps something before or after the game. This is so much more interesting and informative than the usual Romo sucks drivel. :)
Hear! Hear! This is one of the most informative posts I've seen in here.
 

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wileedog;2518482 said:
Exactly.

Yes, those players up front get the blame for missing their assignments, but Hamlin's entire job in run defense is to clean it up when that happens. He failed miserably, twice in a row.

Still trying to figure out what Newman was trying to do on that 2nd one too.

Also, I don't necessarily agree with those trying to pin this on the offense. A bonehead play is a bonehead play, and Spencer in particular made two of them. Not sure what being on the field a lot has to do with completely ignoring your responsibilities and free-lancing around a blocker.

Nice analysis of the plays though.

being tired brings on lapses in concentration

plus being pounded all day long, you start to want to run around a block instead of taking them head-on

still can't shift any blame off Spencer, but you can direct alot onto the offense's inability to sustain drives too
 
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