What happened to Canty?

[CaptainAmerica]

Ratliff made more plays in 3/4 of a game than Spears has made in his career.

That was a heck of a play Ratliff made inside the 20 when Manning dumped the ball off to the back in the middle of the field. If Ratliff didn't make that tackle I'm pretty certain he would have scored and we held them to 3 points on that drive.

I like Ratliff. There's something about those Auburn defensive lineman. They know how to play.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

He wasn't great, but I noticed him more than Spears.

I noticed how awful he was. Spears played quite well and drew a ton of double teams. In fact, most of the time when the G-Men chose to double team one of the DE's, they chose Spears and left Canty one-on-one where he often couldn't even get off the line of scrimmage. Put it this way, if Spears can continue to play along the same lines like he did against the G-Men and Canty can mirror Spears' play, we would likely see more sacks. But because Canty couldn't even get off the LOS with one-on-one's, it made for too many easy throws for Eli.



YAKUZA

 

[QT]

Marcus Spears isn't performing? That's news to me. I don't want to call him a 1st round bust just yet Let me give him 3 more seasons then I can properly evaluate him. GEEZZZZ.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I noticed how awful he was. Spears played quite well and drew a ton of double teams. In fact, most of the time when the G-Men chose to double team one of the DE's, they chose Spears and left Canty one-on-one where he often couldn't even get off the line of scrimmage. Put it this way, if Spears can continue to play along the same lines like he did against the G-Men and Canty can mirror Spears' play, we would likely see more sacks. But because Canty couldn't even get off the LOS with one-on-one's, it made for too many easy throws for Eli.



YAKUZA

So many are out to hang Spears. The way I see Spears, he plays similar to Ferguson. His pass rush skills arn't what you expected, but he is very difficult to move off the line of scrimage. I don't know much about goes on in deciding the defensive line, but I wouldn't mind looking at Spears as the center cog to anchor the defensive line run defense with Fergie out. He is a bit undersized, but the guy is incredibly strong. Just have him and Ratliff switch places.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Marcus Spears isn't performing? That's news to me. I don't want to call him a 1st round bust just yet Let me give him 3 more seasons then I can properly evaluate him. GEEZZZZ.

By your sig I see you are a pessimist and someone who as a tendency to over-react.

 

[QT]

By your sig I see you are a pessimist and someone who as a tendency to over-react.

Over-react. I've been patient with Spears for like 2 seasons. That guy is a BUST. But your right, I should be more patient and give the guy 2 or 3 years before I come to that conclusion. RIGGGHTT....

 

[YosemiteSam]

Over-react. I've been patient with Spears for like 2 seasons. That guy is a BUST. But your right, I should be more patient and give the guy 2 or 3 years before I come to that conclusion. RIGGGHTT....

Spears is a bust because Parcells threaten to sit him or because he doesn't have 11 and a half sacks like Ware? He was a major part of the Dallas run defense last year, but you won't give him credit. He is in a new system, let him find his place. Last year he wasn't put in position to get sacks.

 

[Rack]

Spears is a bust because Parcells threaten to sit him or because he doesn't have 11 and a half sacks like Ware? He was a major part of the Dallas run defense last year, but you won't give him credit. He is in a new system, let him find his place. Last year he wasn't put in position to get sacks.

If that's not an "Excuse" then I don't know what one is.

 

[bbgun]

Canty was in a spinoff called "Joey" and was never heard from again.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If that's not an "Excuse" then I don't know what one is.

Giving the guy more than one game in a new system is an excuse?

 

[QT]

We are giving Spears more time. How much more time does he need? Has he done anything in training camp, preseason games, or the first game that backs up his mouth? I'm still waiting for him to start doing something, now that this defense fits him better.

A good player can adapt to certain situations. If he was a worthy #1 pick he would have found a way to be productive in Parcell's system. He had two years and did nothing in Parcell's system. Obviously, he's not a good player.

 

[Danny White]

I wonder if Canty's eye problem/depth perception is what caused him to run smack into Reeves on that interception?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hatcher was in for Spears some of the time (just as Bowen came in for Canty at times) -- but it wasn't "a ton of snaps." And Spears did play in the fourth quarter, even in the nickel.

Well im going to review the tape and look for myself becaue i remember a lot of Hatcher in the second half. And another thing on the first TD if they were playing 2 deep zone and Burress' route takes him across the formation deep its the far safeties zone hes running in.

 

[burmafrd]

Spears talked a lot. BUT not in one single preseason game or the first game of the season has he walked the walk.

 

[5mics]

Over-react. I've been patient with Spears for like 2 seasons. That guy is a BUST. But your right, I should be more patient and give the guy 2 or 3 years before I come to that conclusion. RIGGGHTT....

Why the crack on Ireland? Wasn't it Tuna who actually made the calls on draft day prior to the most recent draft? I'll judge Ireland beginning w/ our most recent draft: where he took Spencer, etc.....

Btw, if we traded/cut Spears & Canty now, who would take their place and who would be the back-ups? Would we be a better team without them right now? What's your plan if we got rid of those two "busts?"

 

[AdamJT13]

Well im going to review the tape and look for myself becaue i remember a lot of Hatcher in the second half.

That's because we were playing a lot of nickel (16 out of 21 plays in the fourth quarter), which is when Hatcher usually comes in. But like I said, Spears was even playing some in the nickel during the fourth quarter.

And another thing on the first TD if they were playing 2 deep zone and Burress' route takes him across the formation deep its the far safeties zone hes running in.

When Manning threw the ball, Burress was still way over by the numbers on the left (in the photo below). He kept running almost straight down the field -- outside the hashmarks on the left -- while the ball was in the air. He didn't even get to the left hashmark until he caught the ball, and that was only because he had to adjust to the ball at the last second. So the entire time before the pass was complete, he was clearly on the left, outside the hashmarks. At no point was Burress ever on the right side (Roy's side) until well after he caught the ball.

Again, here's what it looked like from behind Manning at the instant the ball was thrown --

Now explain why Roy (the safety on the right side of the photo) is responsible for Burress (the receiver on the far left).

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's because we were playing a lot of nickel (16 out of 21 plays in the fourth quarter), which is when Hatcher usually comes in. But like I said, Spears was even playing some in the nickel during the fourth quarter.



When Manning threw the ball, Burress was still way over by the numbers on the left (in the photo below). He kept running almost straight down the field -- outside the hashmarks on the left -- while the ball was in the air. He didn't even get to the left hashmark until he caught the ball, and that was only because he had to adjust to the ball at the last second. So the entire time before the pass was complete, he was clearly on the left, outside the hashmarks. At no point was Burress ever on the right side (Roy's side) until well after he caught the ball.

Again, here's what it looked like from behind Manning at the instant the ball was thrown --

Now explain why Roy (the safety on the right side of the photo) is responsible for Burress (the receiver on the far left).

Roy had deep responsibility on the right side. From that screenshot it should have been easy for him to pursue Burress and make the tackle as he is comicn across the field.

He took an absolutely horrible angle that was so shallow that by the time he got near Burress he was 5 yards behind him.

As i stated before, you take it as an all or nothing thing. Sure it was Henry's gaffe that allowed the completion but there is absolutely no excuse for Williams essentially running straight east west. Had he taken a good angle from that view, Williams should have gotten him at the 20 or forced Burress back into his pursuit. Instead he cut straight across the field and wasnt anywhere near him.

With the ball in the air Williams is absolutely horrible.

 

[Aikbach]

Canty was fourth round pick, before his injury he was projected a first rounder but that is hearsay because it didn't happen, for a second day pick he has been sound. Not spectacular but sound.

 

[Aikbach]

Spears talked a lot. BUT not in one single preseason game or the first game of the season has he walked the walk.

He looked good in week two of last year against Washington and in 05 against the Chiefs, two good games out of 34 is still disappointing.

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

I dont know why everyone expects these 3-4 DE's to be Julius Peppers...

They occupy space.. In Phillips scheme they stunt and slant. But they are supposed to create opportunities for the 3-4 LB's to make plays. They take up space people.. Draw double teams and confuse the lineman.

Everyone just expects them to have 10 sacks a year. Not going to happen. As long as they free Lb's up to make plays, they are doing their job.