What happened to Osa?

[Portnoy1]

Zimmer’s scheme is obviously a misfit for Quinn’s talent. The whole unit has taken a step back— even before the injury bug hit.

Zimmer’s scheme is obviously a misfit for Quinn’s talent. The whole unit has taken a step back— even before the injury bug hit.

IMO— Jerry punted on this season when he dialed up the “we are hanging around the rim” narrative and decided to run it back with MM.

That led to the Zimmer hire and the status quo being upheld. What we are seeing on the field is a direct result of JJ either directly empowering it, or refusing to deal with it.

His passivity is 100% to blame for caving to Dak, refusing to use FA, avoiding holding anyone (especially himself) accountable, and propping up a lame duck coaching staff.

This current roster and HC may have just reached the point their tank is empty and after several failed attempts, they don’t have the will to summon the energy required to compete. Their body language, attitude, motivation, and execution all reflect one simple truth: they don’t believe in themselves or care enough to snap themselves out of their funk

Zims scheme is solid if run correctly. If you look at Zims history he’s always had a massive 1T Peko ( who’s on the staff lol) and Linval Joseph. Next to them you have a solid to above average 3T, think Geno Atkins and then jags like Osa.

Then you have pass rushers that are big enough to hold up against the run.

Give Zim a disciplined Dlaw, Sam/Kneeland on the other side. Then a legitimate solid 1T and osa would look better along with entire defense.

Then overshown, Micah and Kendrick’s can play LB and be free to run and tackle the runners. Once that’s done then Zim can get into his 3rd down packages that he’s known for.

OSA is stuck next to an inconsistent 1T an undisciplined Dlaw and undersized edge in Micah who just wants to rush.

That’s why both OSA has disappeared. Add to that the cowboys offense is trash.

 

[Ranching]

I don‘t think it’s a lack of effort or that he doesn’t care. The last couple of games he has been surrounded by a few guys on the DL who weren’t even on an NFL roster to start the season. Its hard to look all world when you are in a position like that.

I like Osa a lot as a rotational player. Of course I could be wrong, but the type of money he will garner on a second contract is probably going to put him on another team next year.

Good post....didn't even mention Jerry.

 

[quickccc]

I don‘t think it’s a lack of effort or that he doesn’t care. The last couple of games he has been surrounded by a few guys on the DL who weren’t even on an NFL roster to start the season. Its hard to look all world when you are in a position like that.

I like Osa a lot as a rotational player. Of course I could be wrong, but the type of money he will garner on a second contract is probably going to put him on another team next year.

i'm starting to think this Zimmer scheme is not as conducive to the best of of Osa's skill set.

- Maybe it's more of a stay home, read-react gap intergrity, than it is as an upfield scheme which Osa seemed to flourish under Quinn.

- Zimmer seems to prefer the bigger, power based DTs, and that's just not Osa's game.
i think he's much more suited for slanting, one gap, upfield scheme.

- In past years in earlier 1st halve of seasons, he seemed to be much more active and making plays in the backfield.
And he was doing that even before we acquired Jon Hankins.

- Now We simply don't see that happening with Osa, he's being limited by the Zimm scheme and he's being engulfed again .
Both vs run ..and vs pass.

- Being his last year in a contract year, i don't think he is gonna demand much on the open market,...unless teams revert back to his Quinn years
instead of this Zimmer year.

 

[gtb1943]

Good post....didn't even mention Jerry.

yeah keep ignoring the Elephant in the room

 

[gimmesix]

He was a guy that could give you a few negative stops on the DL, but now I guess the poor play is contagious, and he's not doing what he used to do. It's been said that he's a player that starts well but doesn't finish well. Seems to be the motto of this team. He's up for a new deal, if you asked me about him last year, i'd say he might be too expensive for us to retain. At this point, I can see a situation where he's brought back if we choose to, on a small deal. Hoping things turn around for him, he's liked a lot around here. Please give your thoughts....

Osa's a good rotational player forced to start because we don't value the position. He'd be great in a secondary role to a stud DT, but we've asked him to be the stud DT and that was too much to ask.

I don't blame him at all for being who he is. I blame the Joneses and the coaches for expecting him to be more than that. There are players who can contribute and there are players who can star, he's a contributor who needs some stars around him. Right now, especially with Parsons and Lawrence out, he's being asked to be a star. And with the DTs we have even when those guys are back, he'll be asked to be the standout among the DTs instead of being a player who benefits from playing second fiddle.

 

[Ranching]

yeah keep ignoring the Elephant in the room

I've been trying to ignore you, but it's hard when keep raising your hand like Horshack!!

 

[Nexx]

undersized, overhyped. the guy has averaged less than 3 sacks per year and half the of this site thought he was the DT savior. the guy flashes a few times a year and people go ape S over him. this guy is part of the problem and not part of the solution. he should be relegated to a pass rush specialist on third and long not an every down player. been saying this for years.

 

[EPL0c0]

Zimmer’s scheme is obviously a misfit for Quinn’s talent. The whole unit has taken a step back— even before the injury bug hit.

IMO— Jerry punted on this season when he dialed up the “we are hanging around the rim” narrative and decided to run it back with MM.

That led to the Zimmer hire and the status quo being upheld. What we are seeing on the field is a direct result of JJ either directly empowering it, or refusing to deal with it.

His passivity is 100% to blame for caving to Dak, refusing to use FA, avoiding holding anyone (especially himself) accountable, and propping up a lame duck coaching staff.

This current roster and HC may have just reached the point their tank is empty and after several failed attempts, they don’t have the will to summon the energy required to compete. Their body language, attitude, motivation, and execution all reflect one simple truth: they don’t believe in themselves or care enough to snap themselves out of their funk

Quinn adjusted his scheme to fit the players he had.

Zimmer is trying to force fit the players he has into his scheme

 

[Portnoy1]

Quinn adjusted his scheme to fit the players he had.

Zimmer is trying to force fit the players he has into his scheme

Quinn’s D was bad against the run as well. The difference between last year and this year is that the offense can’t get a comfortable lead to force the other team to pass.

Quinn allowed freedom especially from the Dline to do what they wanted. That’s all good and fine if you’re up by 14 or more and get to rush the QB. less we forget Quinn was here for the 48 to 32 beat down they got at home. Interesting that all the cowboys losses look similar to that.

The Cowboys are front runners and that includes Quinn’s D. They were bad when they had to play from behind. Zimmer was supposed to come in and help with teams from the shanahan tree and essentially help the D stop the run and be more sound.

So yeah, Quinn adapted his scheme to the players ie let them do what they wanted and worked around that. Zim comes in to establish his scheme which includes being assignment sound and our star defensive player immediately pushes back and begins to proceed with “Zimmers never had a Micah Parsons before”.

 

[Loso86]

He was a guy that could give you a few negative stops on the DL, but now I guess the poor play is contagious, and he's not doing what he used to do. It's been said that he's a player that starts well but doesn't finish well. Seems to be the motto of this team. He's up for a new deal, if you asked me about him last year, i'd say he might be too expensive for us to retain. At this point, I can see a situation where he's brought back if we choose to, on a small deal. Hoping things turn around for him, he's liked a lot around here. Please give your thoughts....

He benefitted from Tank and Micah etc. It all works hand in hand

 

[Coogiguy03]

He benefitted from Tank and Micah etc. It all works hand in hand

wish micah and tank would benefit from somebody

 

[DuncanIso]

I don‘t think it’s a lack of effort or that he doesn’t care. The last couple of games he has been surrounded by a few guys on the DL who weren’t even on an NFL roster to start the season. Its hard to look all world when you are in a position like that.

I like Osa a lot as a rotational player. Of course I could be wrong, but the type of money he will garner on a second contract is probably going to put him on another team next year.

Agree.

he needs help around him.

his pro football ref AV rating is good.

 

[kskboys]

The status quo off-season set us back years.

Along w/ bloated contracts.

 

[Loso86]

wish micah and tank would benefit from somebody

They would from a Better DT or DC

 

[visionary]

He was a guy that could give you a few negative stops on the DL, but now I guess the poor play is contagious, and he's not doing what he used to do. It's been said that he's a player that starts well but doesn't finish well. Seems to be the motto of this team. He's up for a new deal, if you asked me about him last year, i'd say he might be too expensive for us to retain. At this point, I can see a situation where he's brought back if we choose to, on a small deal. Hoping things turn around for him, he's liked a lot around here. Please give your thoughts....

LOL, when will you guys start paying attention and stop these threads?

Osa disappears after October every single year. This year it happened a couple of weeks early

Hes a decent rotational player not a starter on a contender

No different than our “leader” Parsons or Dak
Yap all year but dosappear when the chips are down

 

[DuncanIso]

LOL, when will you guys start paying attention and stop these threads?

Osa disappears after October every single year. This year it happened a couple of weeks early

Hes a decent rotational player not a starter on a contender

No different than our “leader” Parsons or Dak
Yap all year but dosappear when the chips are down

To be fair, his stats are on track to match last seasons numbers.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/O/OdigOs00.htm

Hes working with another DT who really shouldn’t be playing.

we likely lose Osa to UFA anyway.

we gonna lose DLaw and Osa. Mazi stinks.

 

[gtb1943]

I've been trying to ignore you, but it's hard when keep raising your hand like Horshack!!

you could not carry Kotters jockstrap

 

[Ranching]

you could not carry Kotters jockstrap

You can have it....sniff on it, put it on, take a selfie and use it as your avatar!

 

[quickccc]

He benefitted from Tank and Micah etc. It all works hand in hand

Osa had both Parsons & DLaw before they eventually got injured, but Osa was still invisible himself from Day one .

 

[KJJ]

I thought Osa was going to be a great player. He got off to a good start in his career, but would disappear after every good game. It’s been like that his entire career. There hasn’t been any consistency with him.