What Has Garrett Shown Any of You?

[CowboyMike]

I'm saving that. I say that all the time around here.

 

[Risen Star]

Haven't you seen any of his press conferences? You don't find them exciting. He is 24-0 against the press. He slams them all the time. Those robotic "process" and "stacking wins" responses are a sure sign of pure genius.

I'm still on board with Red but I've long since stopped watching his pressers. Just awful.

 

[Risen Star]

This is poetry it is so good.

It's also fluff with no substance.

"Garrett's cerebral way to expect and demand winning".

What does that even mean? Why couldn't somebody use that same kind of thing with any coach in the league right now? He's got his way. Trust me. I see it.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Once again you use the bad comparison to Jimmy's early years. The situations are totally different. They can not be compared. Garrett took over a team with some talent. Jimmy came into a complete mess in need of a total overhaul.

And, frankly, who cares about what a great group of guys we have anyway? We want to win football games. Any fan of any team can claim they have a great group of guys. It's a hollow statement.

always enjoy your positive outlook....

 

[Prossman]

it means Garrett sounds his message like a gong everytime he talks, "getting better everday, "the right kind of players", things like that. all his players say the same thing,. Its a grunt work mentality. Nothing is given, you work your rear off, everyday and it will happen for you, cause u make it happen. Verses the "ive got paid, im gonna ride this out as long as i can" mentality that this team was riddled with. Were personal stats and accolades are more important than winning. "the marino way" i call it. We can win as long I still get my stats .

 

[sonnyboy]

Haven't you seen any of his press conferences? You don't find them exciting. He is 24-0 against the press. He slams them all the time. Those robotic "process" and "stacking wins" responses are a sure sign of pure genius.

Seriously, what has he done so far? Not much other than average. We are all hoping his so-called potential materializes soon. The clock is ticking on his "process." Another year of mediocrity and coaching brain farts and he will be on the hot seat, rightfully so.

Good luck to him. I hope he pulls it all together this year and brings the Lombardi home to Dallas.

Sure sounds like you do.


The clock is ticking on EVERYONE on every team in every capacity.


#1 thing Garrett has going for him is also the #1 reason every Jones hater should be praying he succeeds and that Jerry's total confidence.

This is Garrett's team. Every draft pick and every FA signing are his. I'm not saying he has total control, because he doesn't. Jerry and Steven are in on every call, but they are Garrett's calls.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I can compare them. I choose to. That is my right.

I care that they are a great group of guys.

Essentially you're saying whatever you think is right even when you are using an era where the team was devoid of talent versus now when Garrett stepped in with a team that could win.

Great logic. I see how come get to your conclusions.

 

[TwoDeep3]

garrett turned a cowboy team full old, prima donnas, i dont want to hit anyone...gotta get paid, dominoe playing, water bucket sitting overhyped selfish morons, into a younger hungrier, smarter more talented , and agressive team. Dallas has gone from Camp Cupcake to one where 99% of all players have sold into the offseason workout program and all are working hard. The Jimmy Johnson comparrison is acurate because the winning environment has been established. Winning is actually expected and demanded. Maybe not with Jimmy drinking a heinken putting the fear of God in people but garretts more cerebral way. i for one would like to let garrett get thru atleast 1 full offseason before we march on dallas like the villagers coming after frankenstein.

So now Pross, 8-8 is winning.

That's Charlie Sheen logic.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm on board with Garrett to a point.

The team needs to make the playoffs in 2012.

 

[Prossman]

didnt say 8-8 was winning but like it or not Garrett needed to put in his players and his coaches. Probably the first coach in forever Jerry let do that. The ground work has been laid for a winner in Dallas. We are a 8-8 team but a ton of peices have been put in place to change that. We shall see.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think it's hard to evaluate the guy. Not because he's some super brain who's too tough to crack but more so because it's hard to look at any specific time frame, IMO.

He's been with the team for like 5-6 years, serving in a significant capacity even before getting the head coaching job.

So where do you start your time frame to look at?

If there's one thing I think he has definitely shown it's a definite belief in some sort of chain of command. I questioned him a while back because I couldn't see any way that any subordinate coach with higher goals could watch the man ahead of him (Wade Phillips) decimate a team for a few years without assuming some sort of de facto HC position within the locker room.

But he didn't. He let Wade run the ship aground and took the helm when asked.

Now, did he do that with personal goals in mind?......maybe. I think it's quite possible he knew that instilling discipline into that undisciplined bunch would likely delay his eventual rise to the top. Speculative, I'll admit.

For whatever reason, he stayed within his role and I think that says he's a man who's committed to "falling in line" and likely can't stand players who don't do the same.

This is why I don't think Patrick Crayton has a snowball's chance in hell at coming back to Dallas. He will not accept a small supporting role and Garrett won't tolerate that now that he doesn't have to.


I also think he has shown the ability to get players to buy into his system. Whether you like it or not, he appears to have total support of the team.

I think he's shown that, if given his choice, he will likely always shy away from the type of guys who are "me first" regardless of talent.


Lastly, I think he's also shown that he's inexperienced. There have been a number of instances over the years to point to. Bad right now because Dallas has the key pieces to compete, good for the long run because he should improve.

Back to my main point though, where do you start your look? If you start it when he took over for Wade things are pretty encouraging. Few blunders, shortcomings and questionable decisions along the way but pretty sound.

If you start when he got to Dallas, it's a mixed bag of good and bad that leaves a good amount of question marks floating around.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Once again you use the bad comparison to Jimmy's early years. The situations are totally different. They can not be compared. Garrett took over a team with some talent. Jimmy came into a complete mess in need of a total overhaul.

And, frankly, who cares about what a great group of guys we have anyway? We want to win football games. Any fan of any team can claim they have a great group of guys. It's a hollow statement.

Irvin and Aikman amongst others were there from the beginning weren't they?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Tolbert Jeffcoat Norton Dixon Solomon Del Rio Walker Lockhart Johnston Ker Gogan etc were all on that team. Sorry but you guys would have been all over Johnson that first year.

 

[Prossman]

agreed hoofbite. garrett started being held accountable whhen he took over a HC, IMO. The wort part was the cba put the kibash on instilling his system and ryans defense, the way it normally would have. This offseason Jason has been given just about everything he has wanted , so we will know allot more about how close or how far to go we have.

 

[junk]

He needs some seasoning. He's not coming in with a lot of experience. Both Tomlin and Raheem Morris were very young when they got their first head coaching gigs.....and they had more experience than Garrett.

He's a smart guy, but we'll struggle through some on the job training. Saw it last year.

I really wish they'd surround him with a little more veteran staff. Adding Callahan will help I think.

Really wish Reeves had worked out. That whole thing was just silly, but that is the type of guy that would have been a great add to the staff. Someone who has been there/done that with respect to pretty much every aspect of game management.

 

[Mansta54]

After 24 games what had Jimmy Johnson shown you?

Well, this fan sees much the same things now as I did then. A team in transition and pointing in the right direction. More disciplined, accountable, and not making excuses. I see a team we can be proud of, win or lose, because they are a great bunch of guys on top of being good players. What has he shown me? Hope for the future. If you choose to be blind to it, that is your choice.

Well said Hos, well said..

 

[big dog cowboy]

What Has Garrett Shown Any of You?

I like tacos.

 

[Mansta54]

garrett turned a cowboy team full old, prima donnas, i dont want to hit anyone...gotta get paid, dominoe playing, water bucket sitting overhyped selfish morons, into a younger hungrier, smarter more talented , and agressive team. Dallas has gone from Camp Cupcake to one where 99% of all players have sold into the offseason workout program and all are working hard. The Jimmy Johnson comparrison is acurate because the winning environment has been established. Winning is actually expected and demanded. Maybe not with Jimmy drinking a heinken putting the fear of God in people but garretts more cerebral way. i for one would like to let garrett get thru atleast 1 full offseason before we march on dallas like the villagers coming after frankenstein.

Dead on point!!!

 

[BHendri5]

the orignal poster says he is a dallasfan4life, I say he is not, spewing that garbage.

Yes, you can compare Jimmy's first 24 and Garrett's, they both had to reinvent their teams, get them to buy into what needs to be done in order to become winners. Hostile is right on point.

I love Garrett's press conferences.

 

[CoCo]

I'm content at this point with Garrett.

I like where the roster seems to be going with him as HC. We've had what appear to be (admittedly its early) a couple of good drafts with him as HC. He's shedding the older vets who are past their prime. He's willing to take a risk playing younger guys. He appears to be taking a balanced approach of trying to win now but also build for the future. That style is my preference though I understand some would prefer he try to shoot for the moon before Romo & Ware get any older.

The question marks seem predominantly to be about his in-game decision-making. I think its fair to question him on that front. I think its an overreaction to pass judgment and call for his head. Its fair to raise an eyebrow over his team's failure to close the deal on some late game leads last year. At the same time however I think we need to recall the turnaround he presided over in 2011 with Kitna at QB, a horrible defense, and mid-season DC change.

In 2012, I'm looking for Garrett to win when he's supposed to. Whether that's over a clearly inferior opponent, or over a superior opponent who we have on the ropes late. I don't have PO expectations as yet. I'm not yet sold on ALL of our "talent." It's early, our division and conference look to be quite tough, and we'll be introducing several new pieces that could take some time to gel.

I think 2012 IS an important year. Important that Garrett get this team to show definitive progress though I hesitate to define exactly what that looks like again because the competition looks to be fierce this year.

I am cautiously optimistic.