What I did notice is this team doesn't give up

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If we're being honest, we'd all prefer 0-7-but-in-every-game-with-our-QB-coming-back to 0-7-and-blown-out-each-time-with-our-QB-coming-back. Not because it's a 'moral victory,' but because it gives some measure of how the team has performed in a losing effort.

And, yes, we can take it as a given that we all know that both 0-7s are the same from a standings perspective. That's not what the OP is commenting on.
 

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I give him credit for that but I don't take it as some moral victory.


A team that gives up and loses gets the same result as a team that doesn't give up and loses.


What I want is a team that is put in the most optimal position to win and Garrett does not do that.

good way to put it.
 

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Woo hoo.. Moral victory, the team went 0-7 but didn't give up on Garrett, though they knew Romo was coming back..

Two years ago, the Cowboys got wrecked by the Bears and Saints, shattering all sorts of records in futility with their defense in particular.. Garrett was the coach..

So the Eagles gave up on Kelly, but ended up beating the Cowboys two weeks ago? So a team that gave up, beat the Cowboys?

Whatever fits your agenda...

Well even eagles fans and media are saying some eagles players not giving max effort.
They have played poorly 2 weeks in a row.
Sanchez not doing so good.
Chip sort of blamed himself, from what I read, I dont have a way to see their games, so I dont really know.
 

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We beat a division rival in Giants, and Colts in a shootout. We didn't beat "scrubs". As for Orton, he started one game for us before took off. He didn't start a game in nearly 2 years before that Eagles game.

Weeden won only 5 games with Cleveland. Oh, and he went on quite a losing streak in Cleveland as well. He's a loser.

And we beat Philly in a meaningless game and lost to Arizona and beat the Commanders and Detroit.. 2 awful teams and one game where Philly was chilling after already winning the division and in the playoffs.

And then you got 4 TOs by the defense against the Colts... Yet, they still took this team to OT.

So impressive..

So basically Garrett can't coach.. Weeden went on a five game losing streak with CLEVELAND, not Dallas..
 

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And we beat Philly in a meaningless game and lost to Arizona and beat the Commanders and Detroit.. 2 awful teams and one game where Philly was chilling after already winning the division and in the playoffs.

And then you got 4 TOs by the defense against the Colts... Yet, they still took this team to OT.

So impressive..

So basically Garrett can't coach.. Weeden went on a five game losing streak with CLEVELAND, not Dallas..

We didn't lose a single game in this recent stretch because of coaching.
 

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You look at the eagles and laying down against the bucs.

We lost 7 straight, and could've easily quit. It would've been easy to do. Losing 7 straight is horrendous. For us though, Every game except the Pats was hard fought. Missing 1 and in half the games 2 of your biggest pieces was simply the difference in all of them games.

The locker room didn't give up on garrett for as much as we like to dog him. You have to admire and give him credit for that. at least.

I think the cowboys laid down and quit during that 7-game skid.
 

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Absolutely lost all 6 games Mainly because of coaching.

I've heard explanations for how that's possible. but every one of them boiled down to either the HC's role in getting the backup QBs on the roster, or simply second-guessing play calls because they didn't work. The reality was, though, that the coaching was good enough to an extent where there were multiple plays to be made on the field in every single loss short of New England, and the players did not make them.
 

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I've heard explanations for how that's possible. but every one of them boiled down to either the HC's role in getting the backup QBs on the roster, or simply second-guessing play calls because they didn't work. The reality was, though, that the coaching was good enough to an extent where there were multiple plays to be made on the field in every single loss short of New England, and the players did not make them.

So you are suggesting that players make plays? That's crazy talk.
 

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You can't blame it all on the QB during those 7 losses.


Especially when your offensive coaching staff tells the defense what we are going to do the entire game.

Our playcalling was a huge issue over that 7 game stretch.

True that... Running on 1st AND 2nd down (practically every series) gets old quick, and is SUPER predictable.
It's too much pressure on a backup QB to have to convert 3rd and long with the vanilla/basic version of our offense.

Tony changes that dynamic completely... he makes the running game more effective, he double our 3rd down conversion rate and probably most importantly, he gives our D MUCH MORE rest, keeping the other team's D on the field 35-40 minutes!

Keeping CAM on the sidelines and wearing out the Panther D is the key to victory THURSDAY!
 

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He's a veteran. He has more experience than Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota COMBINED. He should have been able to win us at least ONE game, especially with this defense. He failed. MISERABLY!

Channeling your inner RunDMC?
 

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If we're being honest, we'd all prefer 0-7-but-in-every-game-with-our-QB-coming-back to 0-7-and-blown-out-each-time-with-our-QB-coming-back. Not because it's a 'moral victory,' but because it gives some measure of how the team has performed in a losing effort.

And, yes, we can take it as a given that we all know that both 0-7s are the same from a standings perspective. That's not what the OP is commenting on.

Good perspective on why we are 3-0 WITH Romo.
0-7 with our backups, while being in every game... having the chance to win them all (except Patriot game) shows that we likely would have been 9-1 or 8-2 had TR been healthy all season.

We have a better than 50/50 chance of winning the division. I guarantee you that.
More like 80/20 should we beat Carolina!
 

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So you are suggesting that players make plays? That's crazy talk.

From my experience. That's just something I've noticed though. Like, when the ball hits a CB in the hands or whatever. They can actually catch that. It's called an 'interception.' I think if you get one, you can keep it and then run plays of your own, or something. Here's another one: a ball that gets stripped out of a QBs hand before he's throwing it can actually be covered by a player on the defense. It's not illegal.

WRs are allowed to catch balls on 3rd and short in must-win games. I mean, you have to coach them to do it, but it's allowed. You can also beat division opponents by *not* extending your arms fully when you're open in the end zone and the backup-backup QB hits you perfectly. You can score a touchdown on a pass to a RB, but not if the WR on that side is blocking downfield before the catch. You can win overtime games if your backup-backup WLB knows his responsibilities at the snap. Or if your FS isn't coached to lose his feet in coverage.

You're allowed, for example, to tackle the guy you kick off to, if you want to win the game. You can not get run all over when your backup-backup DEs are on the field.

There's, like, all sorts of things players can do to win games, apparently. It's not as easy to look at them and criticize those plays, though, as it is to just say we should have done the opposite of what we did for every play that doesn't work. Run it on 3rd and short? Should have thrown it. Throw in on 3rd and short? Should have run it. Throw a pick-6? I mean, another pick-6? "Why do the coaches keep calling those plays?" See? That's pretty easy.

Meanwhile, the players who are actually better than the ones they're playing against get back in the lineup and the team magically starts coaching better. What's the logical conclusion? That's right: Tony Romo is also the OC and must be calling the plays. Because, you know, they're working now when the reads are right and the balls are going to the players who are actually open.
 

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I've heard explanations for how that's possible. but every one of them boiled down to either the HC's role in getting the backup QBs on the roster, or simply second-guessing play calls because they didn't work. The reality was, though, that the coaching was good enough to an extent where there were multiple plays to be made on the field in every single loss short of New England, and the players did not make them.

I don't know. I really hated when Garrett told Dez to drop those passes in the TB game and for Cassel to not throw an accurate enough pass for the game winner.
 

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I don't know. I really hated when Garrett told Dez to drop those passes in the TB game and for Cassel to not throw an accurate enough pass for the game winner.

Looks like you and I are on the same page, here. :)
 

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And we beat Philly in a meaningless game and lost to Arizona and beat the Commanders and Detroit.. 2 awful teams and one game where Philly was chilling after already winning the division and in the playoffs.

And then you got 4 TOs by the defense against the Colts... Yet, they still took this team to OT.

So impressive..

So basically Garrett can't coach.. Weeden went on a five game losing streak with CLEVELAND, not Dallas..

We lost to Arizona because Kitna was injured and McGee was put in. You said we beat scrubs, I just showed you we did not. And I like you moving the goal post now, so beating Colts wasn't impressive because we didn't blow them out. Haha
 

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What does this even mean? Winston and Mariota had training camps? Cassel had to learn on the fly. Developed no chemistry with no one on the team and played decent enough to even win some games. The defense got no stops in the 4th quarter.

Cassel is also a veteran. And it's interesting that Cassel was doing okay at the start of the games then fell apart near the end.
And in case I wasn't clear, Cassel was brought in to help us win a game. He didn't. We could have signed some bum off the street and put him under center. The final results would have been the same.
 
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