What I Don't Understand About Cowboys Fans?

Ren;4596073 said:
Had you pegged as a super fan, my bad.

You're a bandwagon fan

That's an unfair accusation to throw around loosely. We're all Cowboys fans here. Just because he has a different perspective on the team doesn't mean he's a fake fan. I happen to be on the side that is more critical, but that doesn't mean someone who is more optimistic isn't any less of a fan.
 
Nobody is a bigger fan that I've been for the past 30+ years. It's a huge part of who I am. But I'll admit. I don't always enjoy the games/seasons. Don't get me wrong, I fully enjoy watching us play well; but losses- especially chokes, tear my guts out. As I've gotten older, I wonder why I do this to myself. I've only seen a handful of FG attempts in the past three years. I look away because I think I'm a jinx (I know, who the Hell do I think I am?).

My point is, I don't always enjoy my obsession with this team but I wouldn't miss a game. Fortunately, I'm an eternal optimist- I love the draft, I love camp and I love the idea that a (close enough to) perfect season is both possible and imminent. That's why I show up or tune-in religiously- even when it is brutal to watch.

As for this board, its so large and diverse, I think it is an excellent reflection of the general population. With two exceptions:

First, I've noticed this forum is a haven for the type of personality that craves both being right AND proving others wrong. The team is the excuse for the post but most important is "winning" the argument and being recognized as someone above the stupid sheep and immune to the kool-aid. To be fair, we haven't had sustained success for a long time, so one can make a good living being negative about a myriad of Cowboys topics and they aren't neccessarily wrong.

Second, the above personalities can be as prolific as their energy will take them. They may only make up 5% of the people but might look like 50% of the posts in some threads. Also, there is a "captive audience" of fans on this board and not all have the restraint to ignore polarizing statements (myself included, at times, to my dismay). Many of the posts "with legs" on this forum are examples of blind optimisim crashing into abject negativity, and vice versa.

Welcome to the best forum I've ever seen (although I'm sure 10 people will debate my opinion vigorously). Lots of great people here and you are the CEO of what you read.
 
Risen Star;4595805 said:
I think he's a horrible owner. I'd give up our next 5 1st round picks to be free of that family.

That is shocking. I would have never guessed that.
 
jnday;4596023 said:
Just an honest question if you don't mind. Do you think fans shouldn't question some of the decisions that are made by the team? In fairness to all, It has been close to twenty years since the Cowboys were on top. Some of these "negative opinions" are pointing out mistakes that have been made. These are the type of post that I don't mind. Some of the Romo hate post or Garret sux post get old, but I actually like a good debate about legit problems. I don't care for the " silly sunshine pumping " post either, but some posters are quick to call you negative if you won't pump sunshine with them. Exactly where is the line that you cross that gets the negative label slapped on a poster? Does a poster have to agree with every move the team makes? You brought out some good points in your post and you always seem to be reasonable. That's why I'm asking.

Thanks. Yes, I do believe fans should be able to question some of the decisions made by the team. I've done it myself.

For example, recently Jerry made comments about Dez returning kicks. I didn't like that. I thought Jerry should have kept his mouth shut and leave it to the coaches. I also do not like that we didn't necessarily address the o-line this offseason in a way that doesn't leave us with questions. Could Livings and Bernadeau turn out to be good for us? Yes. I think they could be Kosier-type pick ups for us. But I do not feel like we have a good center on the roster at all. I am very disturbed that we didn't address that position.

The line that is crossed that gets a poster the negative label, as you say, I believe has to do with their history. Do I care if, say, SDogo or BraveHeartFan says something negative? Not really. If they say something negative, I take them seriously. They generally have good, realistic posts and strike a good balance. But if a poster is constantly negative in every single post I see, then that's a different story. I know no matter what Risen Star is going to have a gripe about anything having to do with the front office and anything having to do with a position that's not the trenches. I know that even if the thread isn't even about those things, he'll find a way to connect it. It's to the point where people laugh at him about it rather than take anything he says seriously. I know that Clove is always always going to post something negative about Romo. I know that even if it's not a thread about Romo, he'll find a way to passively aggressively indirectly take a shot at Romo. And there are many other posters that will post negative no matter what the Cowboys do. They are happy about nothing. In addition, a good majority of these "negative" posters tend to be unfriendly in general. They are quick to jump on someone about something. They are generally the first to resort to insults. They tend to not actually address the issues and instead stick to their same old lines. I've been asking Clove for years what his solution is for quarterback if we didn't have Romo. He has yet to answer.

These posters also generally do not have an avatar or sig that has anything to do with the Cowboys in a supportive way. To me, even if you're a true fan that might be on the negative side but still enjoys a win, you will at least have, say, a Star as your avatar or something. None of the haters ever show their support image-wise. I believe they'd actually be unhappy to have themselves associated with the blue and silver around here. In fact, Clove, Risen Star, KJJ, Ren, any of you, prove me wrong. Change either your avatar or sig to something Cowboys related showing your fandom, and not something negative to prove a point. Do it for the rest of the offseason. I dare you.

Many haters like to say, "Don't defend this with stats." Well, it's because they don't have the stats to back their points up. Often they don't have evidence other than their own opinion. If they backed their negative comments with stats just like I can with my positive view, then I might listen. If Romo had a bad game, alright, he had a bad game. It's there on paper. If Romo sucked, I'd agree with them. But he doesn't, so they really have no ground to stand on.

However, in addition to all of that, there is one thing that is the most telling thing about the negative posters that generally get black listed in my book...

When we win, they disappear.

They won't show up for days after we win. You won't hear from them until maybe Wednesday, usually Thursday. That's when they'll pop up with stuff we did wrong... even though we won.

This is truly what leads me to believe that they don't enjoy winning. Like it was said a few posts back, some of them will actually be unhappy to see Jerry or Romo hoist the Lombardi over their heads. They'd be more upset that they were wrong rather than happy over the fact that we won. And so far not one of those haters has denied that.

In addition, if you have to call yourself a "realist", then you're generally not a realist. You're a hater. Realists analyze and discuss both sides of the coin. They acknowledge the good and the bad. Most self-described realists around here only talk about the bad.

Maybe I'm like this because I look at this team differently. I haven't been following this team since the 70s. I was born in 1988. I'm a Cowboys fan because my dad is a Cowboys fan. Both of my grandpas were Cowboys fans. One was a fan because, as he said while sticking out his chest and raising his head, "I moved to Texas." The other is because he was already a Texan. It's in my blood.

That being said, I honestly don't remember the good years. My first memory of the Cowboys is Jimmy Johnson's hair because it looked like my dad's. The first Super Bowl I truly remember is '94 9ers/Chargers, and I only remember seeing their logos on TV, not any of the play. I remember our '95 Super Bowl win, but I didn't understand enough to truly appreciate it or enjoy it.

I truly got into football and started to understand it when I first strapped on the pads myself. That's when I fell in love with the Cowboys and everything my dad had said was making sense. And that we when our perennial success was behind us.

To me, I've always been rooting for a bit of an underdog. I've gone through all the bad with the Cowboys because that's when I fell in love with them. Jerry Jones has always been my owner. I don't always agree with him, but he's all I've ever known. He might not have the slightest clue that I exist, but I feel like we're in this together. To me, every ounce of success the Cowboys experience is exciting to me because it's the first time I've experienced it. This is why I think I'm able to appreciate the downs and well as the ups. This is why I can cherish the journey rather than only expect success. I wasn't spoiled by the five rings before, I guess. Am I upset when we lose? Hell yes. Don't talk to me the day after and don't expect me to be happy for a bit, but that just makes the wins all that much sweeter. I know we'll get there, and when we do, it'll be more than I can ever imagine, because I don't know what it feels like. And I'll be bouncing off the walls, haters be damned.
 
GIFTS;4596004 said:
did you look over my post? i think i answered it on several occasions. To the next thing i feel the same way about trying to talk cowboys. I left the true blue forums due to the amount of ignorance. But i guess that is the internet for you. Everytime i post people overlook it. for instance i talked about wares next injury days in advance and then a few days later there was a topic on it and people were all go on it? What do i got to be in the right posse or something?

I must have missed it. My apologies. I, too, have experience something like your describing. If you'll allow, perhaps I can make a couple of suggestions? This isn't me going after you. It's me trying to help you try to stand out a bit more...

1. Work on your grammar and punctuation a little bit. I couldn't help but notice that a good amount of your sentences in your post lack capitalization. Maybe it's just me, but I generally skip over posts that don't have good punctuation or grammar. I also tend to skip over text speak.

2. Perhaps add a sig to your profile? Put something in that stands out or says something about yourself or something that shows your interests.

JonJon;4596005 said:
I thought my answer was pretty civil...

My apologies to you as well. I supposed I missed it somehow. I don't think, however, that Prox's question was really aimed at you. You tend to lean on the realistic and fair side, not the hater miserable side. Perhaps I didn't think of your post because I never thought of you as a hater.
 
I'm very negative on Jerry the GM. I definitely think the way the front office is structured is holding the team back. I've been pretty vocal about it.

That doesn't make me like the players less. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of watching the games. And it doesn't make me less of a fan. Frankly, I don't really care if people think it is too negative.

I've seen this all before. Same type of thing for anyone that questioned Quincy, Roy Williams (the safety), Newman, etc. Some people just don't want to have their team criticized and can't acknowledge any of the flaws. I guess people just want this board to turn into Extremeskins. Personally, I'd rather discuss the team's shortcomings and what can be done to address them.
 
CowboyMike;4596209 said:
Thanks. Yes, I do believe fans should be able to question some of the decisions made by the team. I've done it myself.

For example, recently Jerry made comments about Dez returning kicks. I didn't like that. I thought Jerry should have kept his mouth shut and leave it to the coaches. I also do not like that we didn't necessarily address the o-line this offseason in a way that doesn't leave us with questions. Could Livings and Bernadeau turn out to be good for us? Yes. I think they could be Kosier-type pick ups for us. But I do not feel like we have a good center on the roster at all. I am very disturbed that we didn't address that position.

The line that is crossed that gets a poster the negative label, as you say, I believe has to do with their history. Do I care if, say, SDogo or BraveHeartFan says something negative? Not really. If they say something negative, I take them seriously. They generally have good, realistic posts and strike a good balance. But if a poster is constantly negative in every single post I see, then that's a different story. I know no matter what Risen Star is going to have a gripe about anything having to do with the front office and anything having to do with a position that's not the trenches. I know that even if the thread isn't even about those things, he'll find a way to connect it. It's to the point where people laugh at him about it rather than take anything he says seriously. I know that Clove is always always going to post something negative about Romo. I know that even if it's not a thread about Romo, he'll find a way to passively aggressively indirectly take a shot at Romo. And there are many other posters that will post negative no matter what the Cowboys do. They are happy about nothing. In addition, a good majority of these "negative" posters tend to be unfriendly in general. They are quick to jump on someone about something. They are generally the first to resort to insults. They tend to not actually address the issues and instead stick to their same old lines. I've been asking Clove for years what his solution is for quarterback if we didn't have Romo. He has yet to answer.

These posters also generally do not have an avatar or sig that has anything to do with the Cowboys in a supportive way. To me, even if you're a true fan that might be on the negative side but still enjoys a win, you will at least have, say, a Star as your avatar or something. None of the haters ever show their support image-wise. I believe they'd actually be unhappy to have themselves associated with the blue and silver around here. In fact, Clove, Risen Star, KJJ, Ren, any of you, prove me wrong. Change either your avatar or sig to something Cowboys related showing your fandom, and not something negative to prove a point. Do it for the rest of the offseason. I dare you.

Many haters like to say, "Don't defend this with stats." Well, it's because they don't have the stats to back their points up. Often they don't have evidence other than their own opinion. If they backed their negative comments with stats just like I can with my positive view, then I might listen. If Romo had a bad game, alright, he had a bad game. It's there on paper. If Romo sucked, I'd agree with them. But he doesn't, so they really have no ground to stand on.

However, in addition to all of that, there is one thing that is the most telling thing about the negative posters that generally get black listed in my book...

When we win, they disappear.

They won't show up for days after we win. You won't hear from them until maybe Wednesday, usually Thursday. That's when they'll pop up with stuff we did wrong... even though we won.

This is truly what leads me to believe that they don't enjoy winning. Like it was said a few posts back, some of them will actually be unhappy to see Jerry or Romo hoist the Lombardi over their heads. They'd be more upset that they were wrong rather than happy over the fact that we won. And so far not one of those haters has denied that.

In addition, if you have to call yourself a "realist", then you're generally not a realist. You're a hater. Realists analyze and discuss both sides of the coin. They acknowledge the good and the bad. Most self-described realists around here only talk about the bad.

Maybe I'm like this because I look at this team differently. I haven't been following this team since the 70s. I was born in 1988. I'm a Cowboys fan because my dad is a Cowboys fan. Both of my grandpas were Cowboys fans. One was a fan because, as he said while sticking out his chest and raising his head, "I moved to Texas." The other is because he was already a Texan. It's in my blood.

That being said, I honestly don't remember the good years. My first memory of the Cowboys is Jimmy Johnson's hair because it looked like my dad's. The first Super Bowl I truly remember is '94 9ers/Chargers, and I only remember seeing their logos on TV, not any of the play. I remember our '95 Super Bowl win, but I didn't understand enough to truly appreciate it or enjoy it.

I truly got into football and started to understand it when I first strapped on the pads myself. That's when I fell in love with the Cowboys and everything my dad had said was making sense. And that we when our perennial success was behind us.

To me, I've always been rooting for a bit of an underdog. I've gone through all the bad with the Cowboys because that's when I fell in love with them. Jerry Jones has always been my owner. I don't always agree with him, but he's all I've ever known. He might not have the slightest clue that I exist, but I feel like we're in this together. To me, every ounce of success the Cowboys experience is exciting to me because it's the first time I've experienced it. This is why I think I'm able to appreciate the downs and well as the ups. This is why I can cherish the journey rather than only expect success. I wasn't spoiled by the five rings before, I guess. Am I upset when we lose? Hell yes. Don't talk to me the day after and don't expect me to be happy for a bit, but that just makes the wins all that much sweeter. I know we'll get there, and when we do, it'll be more than I can ever imagine, because I don't know what it feels like. And I'll be bouncing off the walls, haters be damned.

Very good post. If all the ones with positive attitudes thought like this, things would be much more reasonable. Unlike yourself, some of the positive attitudes take things just as far (if not further) as some of the negative attitude posters. The only point that I disagree with you on is the insults. I have found that the homers will start with the insults quicker than anyone. Some don't want to hear the team is not perfect despite the recent history that proves otherwise. I can understand your thoughts on the negative crowd as well. The team actually does some things right and should be given credit for it.
 
Proximo;4596144 said:
If a fan thinks Jerry sucks, thinks the team sucks, and has no hope or faith or belief that the team can be successful during the next season, why is that person still a fan???? What exactly are they a fan of at that point? How can you cheer for something you have no faith in??

I actually feel for the players playing under Jerry Jones.

This team is full of some potentially great players. Players who you really want to succeed and take their place in the Cowboys pantheon despite him.

That is a tall order.

That is why I keep watching.

And the fact there is that laundry on the field.
 
Risen Star said:
I think he's a horrible owner. I'd give up our next 5 1st round picks to be free of that family.

When the Cowboys are sitting out of every single first round of the Draft for five years in a row, and have holes they can only fill with second-round-or-later talent, you'll be singing a different tune.
 
Do anybody know what other owners in the current NFL have more Super Bowl trophies than Jerry Jones? Dan Rooney has two and Bob Kraft has three. I am not sure if anybody else is close.
 
Its on the players the front office has put out a competitive roster for a while now and has done an excellent job of adding high impact stars the last couple of years through the draft and FA...
 
Eddie;4596042 said:
I love this team regardless of their ability to win another Super Bowl. So in your view, you only root for a team who can win Super Bowls? That's not a fan, that's a bandwagonner.

Quite simple, really.

But I think you all got sucked by a troll. Anyone that has followed this board even remotely knows the answer(s) to these questions. He's just playing you all for fools..............
 
AmericasTeam81;4596235 said:
Do anybody know what other owners in the current NFL have more Super Bowl trophies than Jerry Jones? Dan Rooney has two and Bob Kraft has three. I am not sure if anybody else is close.


Everyone says that the only reason Jerry has 3 trophies is because of Jimmy, but does anyone apply that same standard to Kraft and say that he only has 3 trophies because of Belichick? Or that Rooney only has 2 trophies because of Cowher and Tomlin?
 
Hoofbite;4596244 said:
Anything been resolved yet?

Yes, We came to the conclusion that Diet Dr. Pepper is indeed the best soft drink ever.
 

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