What I learned from watching Seattle and what we're doing wrong

[khiladi]

And this wasn't just a player win, Seattle's defensive game plan was absolutely phenomenal. They were prepared for every possibility and disciplined at every position.

 

[Galian Beast]

If you focus on certain things it really begins to highlight our mistakes. When was the last time we drafted a starter on the defensive line?

The defensive line last year was going to be Ware - Hatcher - Ratliff - Spencer. I thought it would be good, but what rotational guys did we bring in to support them? No one. Selvie came in, but it wasn't a guy who we had drafted. When Ratliff went down we brought up Hayden. Who the hell is Hayden?

The closest player we had to this was Wilber, who from what I could tell was never a great pass rusher.

We keep on getting these small school guys, and they hardly ever contribute, because I guess the game is too big for them, and they are then in turn asked to do too much.

I think the success with Romo, Austin, and Ratliff really went to their heads.

It's time to say no to AA, fcs and division 2 schools...

 

[khiladi]

Pete Carroll's Culture is the exact opposite if Garrett's joke culture. They talk about pre-practice music is playing and guys playing basketball, but their practices are work. Dude isn't a robot like our joke of a coach. Funny how the mystique of Garrett's 'serious' aura leading us to the promised land that was contrasted to Wade's 'easy going' personality is wearing off finally in Dallas.

If you can coach, you can coach period.

 

[khiladi]

The same with Denver. You can't write them off as well. They play Seattle five times, I think Manning adjusts and comes away with three or four wins. Seattle is unlike any team Denver faced, the closest team to the Hawks being their division rivals. They talk about how Manning's mind is always working and testing his players even in the hall ways. He's effectively the coach and has his team prepared with respect to the opponents and their tendencies. That's the major differences between our clowns and these guys.

 

[AdamJT13]

It should also hammer home the fact that they don't really draft much better than anybody else.

They also draft players from small schools, like every one else does -- Harding, New Hampshire, NE Oklahoma State, Utah State, Idaho, Northwestern State, Appalachian State, Kent State.

 

[theSHOW]

They have made mistakes. Actually quite a few. But they moved on quickly to the next player when one disappointed and killed it with numbers. They somehow avoid to use hope as a strategy.

words of fact. that actally make total sense. Translation= draft a FS

 

[Idgit]

I saw a team that had an excellent secondary across the board, and a deep DL rotation full of decent players. The pretty much were able to play single high against those Denver WRs all night, because they made tackles in space immediately. The DL pressure was valuable, because it contributed directly to both turnovers. But Manning still set a Superbowl record for completions, and he did what he's done all year, get the ball on slants and picks to his WRs while their crossing the defense in order to let them YAC. They couldn't YAC, and he had to work his way down the field using all three offensive downs. That caught up with them eventually, as it usually does, and SEA made them pay for it.

You win by passing the ball more effectively than the other guys. If you can do this by making it impossible for them to pass effectively, that's one way to do it. Or you can win by passing it really efficiently yourself. It's pretty obvious which one SEA did. Just like it's pretty obvious which one Dallas has been unable to do well under Jason Garrett.

 

[theSHOW]

The same with Denver. You can't write them off as well. They play Seattle five times, I think Manning adjusts and comes away with three or four wins. Seattle is unlike any team Denver faced, the closest team to the Hawks being their division rivals. They talk about how Manning's mind is always working and testing his players even in the hall ways. He's effectively the coach and has his team prepared with respect to the opponents and their tendencies. That's the major differences between our clowns and these guys.

come on. Seattle might surprise you and win the next 3 or 4 . you are completely ignoring the facts. this game was a total domination blowout. and you say the next 4 will be different. silly.

 

[Idgit]

Man, yeah. I was one of those Carroll detractors. I did NOT see Pete Carroll as a good NFL coach.

And if he was going to be a good coach, I thought he would be coaching a team more like Denver. I did not see him with a hard-nosed, beat you down type team.

Kudos to him, I was dead wrong.

I really think---and this is not just propping up Jason Garrett---there are a lot of good (and probably even some great) coaches who've never made it in the NFL because the conditions where never right for them in the one shot they got. Not having a QB alone can kill you. But just look at the performance variance for Carroll or Belichick or Shanahan where they had success and where they had failure, and it tells you all you need to know. Tony Dungy would be an afterthought or maybe even a punchline if he did't have Manning. George Seifert won a Superbowl. There are guys out there like Mike Nolan who I still think could coach a contender under the right circumstances who will probably not get another chance.

All that said, there are guys capable of doing it over and over again, too, and I'm not discounting them at all. But those guys are rare and I don't see any of them coming available in the near future.

 

[khiladi]

come on. Seattle might surprise you and win the next 3 or 4 . you are completely ignoring the facts. this game was a total domination blowout. and you say the next 4 will be different. silly.

If Colin Karpernick can threaten the Seahawks on a final game-winning TD in Seattle and win at home as well, you can bet a Peyton Manning adjusting to the Hawks can do it in today's league.

This was more an aberration in my view in the sense, Denver picked the absolute worst day to have its worst game. And Seattle picked the best day to have its best game.

I think last year, Seattle had a game where they laid 50 on the 49ers.

 

[Idgit]

If Colin Karpernick can threaten the Seahawks on a final game-winning TD in Seattle and win at home as well, you can bet a Peyton Manning adjusting to the Hawks can do it in today's league.

This was more an aberration in my view in the sense, Denver picked the absolute worst day to have its worst game. And Seattle picked the best day to have its best game.

No way. This was a matchup disaster for the Broncos. A SEA win happens 8 times out of 10 if these two teams play. Peyton's not going to beat you deep at this point in his career, and those WRs are not going to break big runs against that secondary. And Denver is not going to run on that front with Moreno. The only thing they had going for them were the bunch-screens, and that was because they were trying to get hats on the coverage, but they couldn't block well enough in space to even make those work like they would against another team. They were defenseless.

Now, it won't be a blowout every time, because they gave up the ST touch at the worst possible time and you can probably count on Manning to not try to throw the ball when his pocket has already collapsed (he should have thrown both of those balls away, or crumpled with it and kept it safe on the pick-6). But even without the picks, SEA wins this game handily yesterday.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I still think the wave of the future will be college coaches.

In the salary cap age, you are going to want to have a young team that the coach can relate to, the shortened practice schedule is just like a college program and you have to be prepared to turn talent over every three to four years.

I think its going to be a mix as usual. teams are going to raid seattle of their coaches and assistant coaches and that's the first point of erosion for any team. then their players are going to go after dollars to other teams and that will be the second point of erosion. this way its very difficult to build dynasties....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

just a sample of OP points-
the seahawks drafted Malcolm smith(USC) in the 7th rd ,we have drafted such distinguished players like Caleb mcsurdy(montana).who looks at Caleb freaking Mcsurdy and thinks he can play in the NFL,what the heck are the scouts thinking.I feel are scouts themselves are very poor and we never talk about them and instead give all the blame to Jerry.we have basically thrown away our late rd picks,the last good 7th rd pick was Ratliff but he went to Auburn.we have had more success with UDFAs than late rd picks .

and 30 other teams can say exactly what we say....they got lucky with 5th, 6th and 7th round players. lets look at it this way, they pass on smith for 6 rounds, so if they were so smart, why did they not draft him earlier? its a bit of luck at times.

 

[Zordon]

1. Jason Garrett has been coaching since 2005. Think about that for a second....2005. He has one more year of experience than Kliff Kingsbury for God's sakes. He DID NOT DESERVE THIS JOB.

2. We have a GM who has no plan, has confidants like Lacewell and Switzer, and spends a lot of time/energy on things not associated with football (charity, events at the stadium, other NFL priorities). That's why our drafts are always in disarray, coaches/philosophies are always changing. While other GMs are thinking 5 years into the future, we have a psychopath with his psychopathic owner only thinking about the here and now.

3. You have a roster with maybe a handful of real dawgs who have that Seahawks mentality. Problem is none of them are your leaders except for Witten. Ware and Romo are both "gawlee...aww shucks" types. Three of our biggest investments on the team, Carr/Claiborne/Carter, are all softies who do not like mixing it up (never thought I'd say that about Carr but he showed that last year). It's a passive loser mentality that has been entrenched in this franchise since the likes of Irvin/Haley retired. It's a terrible brand of football to watch and support.

 

[khiladi]

No way. This was a matchup disaster for the Broncos. A SEA win happens 8 times out of 10 if these two teams play. Peyton's not going to beat you deep at this point in his career, and those WRs are not going to break big runs against that secondary. And Denver is not going to run on that front with Moreno. The only thing they had going for them were the bunch-screens, and that was because they were trying to get hats on the coverage, but they couldn't block well enough in space to even make those work like they would against another team. They were defenseless.

Now, it won't be a blowout every time, because they gave up the ST touch at the worst possible time and you can probably count on Manning to not try to throw the ball when his pocket has already collapsed (he should have thrown both of those balls away, or crumpled with it and kept it safe on the pick-6). But even without the picks, SEA wins this game handily yesterday.

How many deep shots did CK throw against them? They went bunch screens cause of the pressure up front. Denver would probably run the ball more, and maybe being a tight end in protection. The game got out if hand cause of the scores on defensive TOs and starting field position. Putting the burden in Seattle's offense to score in long foes position would change the outcome dramatically.

 

[theSHOW]

and 30 other teams can say exactly what we say....they got lucky with 5th, 6th and 7th round players. lets look at it this way, they pass on smith for 6 rounds, so if they were so smart, why did they not draft him earlier? its a bit of luck at times.

It is much more than pure luck. They understand the league places value on these players and they assessed the other teams outlook on the late round choices. I'm sure they had other nuggets ready to draft if needed. Fact is that Seattle does have a superior scouting dept and was the best team in the Nfl over the last 5 years this team woulf beat all the previous SB champs.

 

[Idgit]

How many deep shots did CK throw against them? They went bunch screens cause of the pressure up front. Denver would probably run the ball more, and maybe being a tight end in protection. The game got out if hand cause of the scores on defensive TOs and starting field position. Putting the burden in Seattle's offense to score in long foes position would change the outcome dramatically.

Well, they beat SF, too. And SF was only successful on them because they were willing to put the QB in motion and to option him when there was room to scramble. CK has a strong arm, but no arc on his throws. He got lucky on the Boldin TD throwing into tight coverage wile rolling right and with his feet not set. That was a touchdown, so you're not going to criticize it, but more often than not, that's a pick. He had the two balls he tried to get over the S in the 4th quarter, one of which was a pick and the other a huge third down conversion, so you tell me how smart those decisions were. And then he coughed up the game on a 3rd and 20 because he couldn't get the ball over Sherman when he needed to (he shouldn't have even tried on that play, but, whatever). The only damage he really did to that team was with the 50+ yard scramble.

The difference in that NFCCG was that SF can also play a whale of a game on pass defense. That made it harder for SEA to be more effective passing than SF was, but the picks in the 4th quarter pretty much cemented that, as, we Cowboys fans well know, picks usually do.

 

[khiladi]

Well, they beat SF, too. And SF was only successful on them because they were willing to put the QB in motion and to option him when there was room to scramble. CK has a strong arm, but no arc on his throws. He got lucky on the Boldin TD throwing into tight coverage wile rolling right and with his feet not set. That was a touchdown, so you're not going to criticize it, but more often than not, that's a pick. He had the two balls over the S in the 4th quarter, one of which was a pick and the other a huge third down conversion, so you tell me how smart those decisions were. And then he coughed up the game on a 3rd and 20 because he couldn't get the ball over Sherman when he needed to (he shouldn't have even tried on that play, but, whatever). The only damage he really did to that team was with the 50+ yard scramble.

The difference in that NFCCG was that SF can also play a whale of a game on pass defense. That made it harder for SEA to be more effective passing than SF was, but the picks in the 4th quarter pretty much cemented that, as, we Cowboys fans well know, picks usually do.

How many if those passes were deep?

So essentially, CK adjusts but Manning doesn't is what your saying? A guy whose accuracy is worse than Manning on deep and short, as well as intermediate passes? Manning may not have the arm he use to have, but really... Please stop

 

[Idgit]

How many if those passes were deep?

So essentially, CK adjusts but Manning doesn't is what your saying? A guy whose accuracy is worse than Manning on deep and short, as well as intermediate passes? Manning may not have the arm he use to have, but really... Please stop

Sorry, I'm not getting your argument. I'm saying nobody's making a living passing deep on SEA. I'm not sure what you were seeing in that game yesterday that made you think there was an adjustment Manning was going to make that was going to let him be successful against that defense, though. The problem wasn't getting the ball where it needed to be--as evidenced by the SB completion record. The problem was the yards weren't there once the ball got there, and there was enough pressure that the QB was forced to make some poor decisions.

DEN tried to adjust in the second quarter, as I said, by putting blockers out on the edge for the WR screens. It didn't work. Manning's not going to be able to throw deep into the single high coverage against that secondary anymore, and we saw how the slants and picks worked for them yesterday. No reason to think they'd work any better on any other given Sunday. SEA didn't need a 35 point cushion to beat them. They could have done it with 6 as easily as they did it with 35.

 

[theSHOW]

I learned peyton is a choke artist and Romo is not so bad.