What I think will happen with Jason Garrett

[big dog cowboy]

Given that Miami gave Jerry Jones until Thursday to make a decision, I suspect that Jerry will hire Garrett as the Offensive Coordinator for now

That is scrolling across ESPN right now. Great post I completely agree witih your opinion.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Those guys like Capers and Zimmer were working for those teams when they were retained and then a new HC was brought in.

Name me ONE hire where the GM or Owner went and hired a coordinator outside his organization and then hired a HC. I'm not saying there isn't an example out there, I just don't know about it, and even if there is an example of it being done before, it doesn't make it a sound practice for an organization.

 

[DizzG]

Those guys like Capers and Zimmer were working for those teams when they were retained and then a new HC was brought in.

Name me ONE hire where the GM or Owner went and hired a coordinator outside his organization and then hired a HC. I'm not saying there isn't an example out there, I just don't know about it, and even if there is an example of it being done before, it doesn't make it a sound practice for an organization.

so what? Capers was still retained without the new head coach brining in his own guy. Wisenhunt didnt go in with a clean house either

and for the 10000th time how do you know Jones hasnt talked to the HC prospects about being ok with Garrett?

 

[ddh33]

I'm not sure this is just about Garrett.

I really believe that any other potential interviews - like Wade Phillips or Norv Turner are not just competing against Jason Garrett. I think they are competing against Todd Bowles and Tony Sparano.

Continuity is probably going to mean something to Bill and Jerry in this situation. Keep an eye on Bowles and Sparano having a lot of input with this team no matter who the coach is. I think to lose those coaches, the organization is going to have to wowed by a head coach looking to do something different.

 

[billyrags]

At this point with they way things seem to be going down, I would prefer Garrett as HC. Like many I do not like the idea of having Jerry sign an OC before the HC. IMO there is a difference between inheriting a staff and having one hired in immediately before you are. Garrett may be easy to work with, but Jerry has always been infatuated with him and that would have any HC looking over their shoulder.

Not sure what would happen Sparano and Haley, but I hope they promote Bowles to DC and maybe find some left-over position coaches from Pittsburgh.

If we did hire someone else as a stop gap and were successful next year, say good-bye to Garrett next season and start the search for the next HC over again in 2-3 years. There could be 8-10 coaching changes next year including the NY Giants that could hire him away. Considering the candidates, Garrett is the only one (other than Rivera/Ryan) that doesn't make me throw up a little into my mouth.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

so what? Capers was still retained without the new head coach brining in his own guy. Wisenhunt didnt go in with a clean house either

and for the 10000th time how do you know Jones hasnt talked to the HC prospects about being ok with Garrett?

I understand your point, but just because it was done by the Arizona Cardinals organization or the Dolphins who hired Cameron, (check out his previous HC record), doesn't make it sound practice. Huizenga was asking for the fans input, for crying out loud.

As for your 2nd point about a HC candidate already being consulted about Garrett and being in the loop, of course I agree that's what we have to hope and believe is happening here if this report is true.

But, you guys that jump on the bandwagon and aren't at least a little skeptical when Jerry is making these type of decisions need to go back and look at his track record in these situations. He's not batting .1000.

 

[iceberg]

I understand your point, but just because it was done by the Arizona Cardinals organization or the Dolphins who hired Cameron, (check out his previous HC record), doesn't make it sound practice. Huizenga was asking for the fans input, for crying out loud.

As for your 2nd point about a HC candidate already being consulted about Garrett and being in the loop, of course I agree that's what we have to hope and believe is happening here if this report is true.

But, you guys that jump on the bandwagon and aren't at least a little skeptical when Jerry is making these type of decisions need to go back and look at his track record in these situations. He's not batting .1000.

name me an owner batting 1.000 - i'll be over here, waiting.

out of 5 coaches jones has had, let's call johnson and parcells a success of some degree. 2 out of 5 is .400 - name me an owner batting .400 on coaching calls. i'll be over where i was before, still waiting.

people have their mind made up that jones is gonna screw up so they see his moves in that light and lob out some jethro crap. they point to the failures as if the successes never existed or belonged to someone else only. to a point we can all be "agenda driven" by our own tastes and personalities.

maybe it would be wrong and maybe jones hsould let the HC hire his staff in 3 weeks when garrett and others are off the market completely.

or maybe jones should step out and do something out of the ordinary simply because we're not in an ordinary situation. if parcells said 2 weeks ago "that's it, i'm out" then we'd not be pressed for time to hire quality assitant coaches.

but how many times did we hear this time he was taking wouldn't be an issue at all?

now it is. so jones is doing what he has to do, not following "optimal gameplan under best of conditions".

let's see what he does in the next few weeks, not moves, to determine where we could be going next.

or run around screaming "xyz sucks xyz sucks!!!" if it makes you feel better.

 

[Danny White]

Well, given that the Cowboys have asked for permission to interview Wade Phillips but have yet to do that, it is almost positive that Garrett will be hired as the OC tomorrow, not the head coach.

I like the way you think!

 

[JackMagist]

Well, given that the Cowboys have asked for permission to interview Wade Phillips but have yet to do that, it is almost positive that Garrett will be hired as the OC tomorrow, not the head coach.

My question is this: What exactly were they given permission to talk to Wade Phillips about? Is it only the HC position or could it be the DC position with an Asst. HC title?

It could be Garrett with the HC job and two-time-loser Phillips as a glorified DC.

 

[DC Cowboy]

So, what happens if next week, Jerry hires a head coach and they want to sign Jason Garrett as the OC? Too bad, Miami said tomorrow is the deadline.

Go back and read my post and you'll understand ..

-Reality

Unless they make him an OC they can't stop him from taking apromotion.

 

[Reality]

Unless they make him an OC they can't stop him from taking apromotion.

That's no longer true for assistants .. they changed the rules because teams were adding made-up titles to circumvent the "promotion escape" rule.

Now, coaches under contract have to receive permission to talk to any other team for any coaching position other than head coach and only then if they are not already a head coach.

Meaning, as a QB coach, Garrett can't talk to the Cowboys without permission from Miami.

Now, most owners I am sure agreed to not to stop a legitimate promotion but even so, it is their choice.

Before, OC's could leave a team to become the assistant head coach even though in reality, they were just going to be the OC for the new team.

-Reality

 

[jrumann59]

After Bledsoe leaves he can be the emergency 3rd QB

 

[silverbear]

Given that Miami gave Jerry Jones until Thursday to make a decision, I suspect that Jerry will hire Garrett as the Offensive Coordinator for now which will give him more time to interview other head coach candidates. That way, he has more time to make his decision on Garrett and see what else is out there.

If it turns out Jerry can't find anyone he likes or doesn't want to give up draft picks for, he can then hire Garrett as the Head Coach later.

Personally, I'd rather see Garrett as OC but to me, Jerry seems to want him on the staff in some capacity and knows he has to do it tomorrow or it will be too late.

That's just my opinion though

-Reality

That makes perfect sense... get Jason signed, then some weeks down the line you can promote him to head coach if that's the way you decide to go...

 

[silverbear]

What credible HC has his staff hired for him before he is even offered the job?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Barry Switzer.

That's right, Tomlin wasn't basically forced to keep Dick LeBeau as a condition for his becoming head coach of the Steelers...

Where's it written that a team has to blow up their entire coaching staff when they decide to hire a new head coach?? Seems to me that if you've got some coaches on your staff who are good at their jobs, it's in your best interest to keep them around... it also seems to me that any would-be head coach would be open to doing exactly that...

 

[silverbear]

Keep an eye on Todd Bowles and Tony Sparano on this. I wouldn't be surprised if Jerry is hoping to keep both in the fold while also adding Garrett.

I wish I knew what it is that Jerry sees in Sparano, from where I sit he did a pretty lousy job as offensive line coach...

 

[silverbear]

Capers was already the DC in Miami. Show me where the owner hired a coordinator from OUTSIDE the team then hired his head coach???

:bang2:

I see no difference between "forcing" a potential head coach to accept the incumbent coaches, and "forcing" him to agree to some new hires... either way, the guy's not being allowed to hand-pick his own staff...

Which was, I believe, the original argument... clearly, that sort of thing goes on all the time...

 

[silverbear]

My question is this: What exactly were they given permission to talk to Wade Phillips about? Is it only the HC position or could it be the DC position with an Asst. HC title?

It could be Garrett with the HC job and two-time-loser Phillips as a glorified DC.

Man, you've got a real hard-on for ol' Wade, don't you??

What did he ever do to you, that you rip on him in such a completely ludicrous manner (he went 29-19 in Buffalo, which hardly makes him a "two-time-loser")??

 

[The Fonz]

What credible HC has his staff hired for him before he is even offered the job?

Oh yeah, I forgot. Barry Switzer.

Norv Turner..Wade Philips...Dan Reeves