What if Jason's in-game decisions are as poor as they have been? Where do we turn?

[Galian Beast]

Jason Garrett isn't Bill Belichick.
Then again, he also didn't cost us at least three games in any of his seasons.

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

 

[Idgit]

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

Yeah, we probably won't resolve this one here tonight. I'll give you the AZ game, of those three, though. But not because of the FG. He did waste precious time on that final drive that we ended up needing badly at the end.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

The question is meaningless without a point of comparison. I'll buy the premise that Garrett has cost the Cowboys wins in some games...but so has every coach in the history of the league. Before you can answer the question, you need a comparison between Garrett's game costing decisions and the game costing decisions of other coaches around the league.

 

[Zman5]

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

+1

 

[OhSnap]

I'm an optimist, but realist, I think.

Sorry everybody but thinking that perhaps even though Jason has been relieved of in-game OC responsibilities, we might learn that it *wasn't* the OC stuff that was responsible for our bad in-game/clock/etc. decisions. We might learn that it was just Jason. Hate to say that, but hey, Jason has been very consistent through his coaching career here.

My question: Where would we turn mid-season, if things turn bad, this season, next season? ... No young OC mind for a HC, nor would Kiffin or Marinelli could run the team much, or would you want them to. ... Who would be HC if we open bad this year, or next?

I think of why Wade was fired after 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, and hey, a playoff win! .. before the dreadful 1-7 start. Wade was still owed about $5 million on his contract at that point, which Jerry ate. ... (IMO Jerry wanted to begin the Jason Garrett era at that point, since he was paying Jason about as much as Wade or perhaps more even though Jason was just OC.) ... I will always wonder why the team played so bad in the 1-7 start. I can tell you that the most devoted players to Wade were the DL especially Rat. Rat brought his DL and perhaps some LBs around to listen to every word that Wade said after games, while other players were hollering in the shower and didn't bother coming out for the game ball presentations in the locker room, even when the Cowboys won. (Damn you figure it is easy to lose a team, if Wade could lose one after his good record here.)

At this point Jason isn't owed too much more than Wade was when he was fired - perhaps a million or two more, closer to $8-9 million or a little more over the next two seasons, so you would think Jerry would eat it if needed.

Jason's in-game gaffes kept coming last season, after a year-and-a-half of head coaching before that.

Jason's 8-8 records last two years have been completely consistent with his rank in scoring offense since he's been OC - completely average in the league, or a slot or two above. The outliers in his scoring offense being 2007 with way-high ranks with Sparano's designs (and Jason calling the plays (?) .. and in 2010 we were 9th I think in scoring offense in the dreadful year we opened 1-7 - I think because we were playing from behind with backups on the other team letting us move down the field and score at will, once we were down so many points, at least that first half of the season.

I'll shut up now.

Unlike previous years with young bucks like Rob Ryan who could have manned the HC thing mid-season, I don't know what we can do this season if s*** goes bad.

I don't mean this to be a snarky pessimistic question but just thinking that Jason may screw the pooch some weeks on the time clock etc. and cost us wins like he always has. Then what?

Who gives a rat's furry ***? Interim coaches are a dozen for 10 cents.

 

[CoCo]

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

The New England game is the perfect example of our personnel costing us the game and there was nothing that could be done about it. An O-line that when attacked, got blown into the backfield. Followed by a defense that couldn't hold a lead.

 

[Future]

I love this myth of him costing us games left and right.

But please keep repeating it, I am sure there are plenty of the uninformed to influence with the bogus repeatition.

It might be exaggerated, but to think that some of his decisions havent been costly, to say the least, is a mistake.

 

[visionary]

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

this is the bottom line
he stays "calm" in the game but he has made poor decisions in those times

there is

1. calm that allows one to keep one's emotions in check under stress so one can still make decisions that turn out to be correct (this is what you want)

2. calm that is 'deer in the headlights' where someone gives the outward impression of being calm but makes poor decisions (this is what you dont want) and in a sense 'freeze up'

both people are CALM under pressure but the results are very different

this is why i dont buy into the fact that jason remains calm in these situations, so it is a good thing, because he has a history of making poor decisions in those circumstances

maybe htis is just becasue he is inexperienced and should not have been in those situations for a few more years (thank you jerry) or maybe that is just who he is

time will tell

 

[CowboyGil]

Also though...what if, a player mental mistake, a penalty [alex barron hold] or one Witten's many false starts, what if those didn't happen, and Dallas at least made the playoffs, as well as winning the division.
What if Dez's finger didn't go out of bounds, and that game propelled the team to win the division. Would anyone put an emphasis on Jason's mistakes. Would they loom as large.
I doubt we would be saying, well it may cost them home field advantage. But I'm sure it would have been brought up.

If Dez's catch was good, we would be saying how Jason's team fought for him, he had them motivated to come from behind. The team plays for Jason.

Basically, and I know what you are saying, but this is a new year, new problems to solve, let's see what happens this year. Even though fans and especially the media can't let go of the past.

Go Cowboys, Go Jason, lets do it!!!!!

This is the N-"IF"-L.

 

[tantrix1969]

I know I will get LOL at but here goes my wish list IF JG is fired, give me a Good OC and DC with Ray Lewis as a HC just so he can get my Boys fired up before every game LOL

that antler spray using murderer will never be anywhere near the Cowboys

 

[conner01]

Cost us in the Detroit game, against New England, and against Arizona.

please explain how exacution by the players did'nt cost us most of those games

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm an optimist, but realist, I think.

Sorry everybody but thinking that perhaps even though Jason has been relieved of in-game OC responsibilities, we might learn that it *wasn't* the OC stuff that was responsible for our bad in-game/clock/etc. decisions. We might learn that it was just Jason. Hate to say that, but hey, Jason has been very consistent through his coaching career here.

My question: Where would we turn mid-season, if things turn bad, this season, next season? ... No young OC mind for a HC, nor would Kiffin or Marinelli could run the team much, or would you want them to. ... Who would be HC if we open bad this year, or next?

I think of why Wade was fired after 13-3, 9-7, 11-5, and hey, a playoff win! .. before the dreadful 1-7 start. Wade was still owed about $5 million on his contract at that point, which Jerry ate. ... (IMO Jerry wanted to begin the Jason Garrett era at that point, since he was paying Jason about as much as Wade or perhaps more even though Jason was just OC.) ... I will always wonder why the team played so bad in the 1-7 start. I can tell you that the most devoted players to Wade were the DL especially Rat. Rat brought his DL and perhaps some LBs around to listen to every word that Wade said after games, while other players were hollering in the shower and didn't bother coming out for the game ball presentations in the locker room, even when the Cowboys won. (Damn you figure it is easy to lose a team, if Wade could lose one after his good record here.)

At this point Jason isn't owed too much more than Wade was when he was fired - perhaps a million or two more, closer to $8-9 million or a little more over the next two seasons, so you would think Jerry would eat it if needed.

Jason's in-game gaffes kept coming last season, after a year-and-a-half of head coaching before that.

Jason's 8-8 records last two years have been completely consistent with his rank in scoring offense since he's been OC - completely average in the league, or a slot or two above. The outliers in his scoring offense being 2007 with way-high ranks with Sparano's designs (and Jason calling the plays (?) .. and in 2010 we were 9th I think in scoring offense in the dreadful year we opened 1-7 - I think because we were playing from behind with backups on the other team letting us move down the field and score at will, once we were down so many points, at least that first half of the season.

I'll shut up now.

Unlike previous years with young bucks like Rob Ryan who could have manned the HC thing mid-season, I don't know what we can do this season if s*** goes bad.

I don't mean this to be a snarky pessimistic question but just thinking that Jason may screw the pooch some weeks on the time clock etc. and cost us wins like he always has. Then what?

I think Jason gets this season to prove himself if the team wins then he will be back if not he will likely be gone.

 

[whynot]

Ahh Belichick, he's the guy who likes to go for it on 4th down right?

I kid of course, he could never cost his team a win coz he haz da ringz

 

[Tobal]

I bet you can take any coach that ever coached in the NFL and there will be fans talking about games he cost them.

 

[erod]

Did you see the horrific in-game decisions by Jim Harbaugh in the Super Bowl? Just terrible clock management.

Folks, this same nonsense is said in 32 NFL cities every year. Everyone second guesses their head coach all the time. Even Landry got this ALL the time.

Garrett is an Ivy Leaguer who's been around the NFL his whole life. He'll be fine.

 

[erod]

I know I will get LOL at but here goes my wish list IF JG is fired, give me a Good OC and DC with Ray Lewis as a HC just so he can get my Boys fired up before every game LOL

No, Ray would just shoot everybody if things went wrong.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

No, Ray would just shoot everybody if things went wrong.

Thought Ray was more of a stabby kind of guy vs a shooty kind of guy.

 

[Idgit]

Ahh Belichick, he's the guy who likes to go for it on 4th down right?

I kid of course, he could never cost his team a win coz he haz da ringz

Belichick is just playing the odds when he does that. He's one of very few HCs who have the gravitas to go against public opinion and take risks like that without fear of the lashback.
HCs make poor decisions all the time, but in every game where a specific HC decision likely affects the outcome, you're still going to have a dozen plays you can point to where player execution was more important.

 

[iceman117]

I know I will get LOL at but here goes my wish list IF JG is fired, give me a Good OC and DC with Ray Lewis as a HC just so he can get my Boys fired up before every game LOL

horrible idea.... if you want him to fire people up just hire him as a motivational speaker

 

[iceman117]

Belichick is just playing the odds when he does that. He's one of very few HCs who have the gravitas to go against public opinion and take risks like that without fear of the lashback.
HCs make poor decisions all the time, but in every game where a specific HC decision likely affects the outcome, you're still going to have a dozen plays you can point to where player execution was more important.

The rest of the NFL copies whatever Bellicheck does. He goes to a pass heavy offense, the rest of the league doe it, he uses 2 TE sets using 2 recieving TE's the rest of the league does it.... Bill goes for it on 4th down more than anyone else, ill bet you see people follow that too once it proves to be a good idea. The guy is an innovader