What if the 4-3 rocks?

[LatinMind]

Mike Singletary for defensive coordinator, I'll stump for him right now.

i wouldnt mind that. he's doing very good things for the niners right now. while they're not one of the best defenses in the nfl thats do to lack of talent. but its world sbetter then what the niners were

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Mike Singletary for defensive coordinator, I'll stump for him right now.

Now that's an interesting proposition

 

[windward]

If it rocks against Detroit, that will be great and all, but we should temper our optimism a bit, because after all, it is Detroit.

If it rocks against the likes of Seattle, Philly and New Orleans then I think we may have something cooking.

 

[Yeagermeister]

i think it might be to. but i like his chances. one reason 2003, the guy put together a defense that yr that nobody could run on. i dont count 2004 because parcells and jerry laid a dud that yr in freeagency. they had 25mil to play with and ended up laving 18 mil on the books. most of that 7 mil spent was on wiley(LOL). and instead of signing guys like atoine winfield, and bertrand berry, they signed wiley and tryone williams. and brought in chad freaking eaton.

i have faith in zimmer with a 4-3. and well maybe a change is needed. dallas tried the 3-4 for 2 yrs and they still look the same as they did the first game they tried it. no pressure and they get ran over.

tho i do think this has more to do with the loss of ellis more then anything. dallas, and dallas fans are seeing just how valuable he is to this team and more importantly defense.

ellis kept the heads level in the lockerroom, and he was a leader on the field. its no coincidence dallas is struggling since he went down. just like they did last yr

You are one of the few around here. I think 2003 was the exception not the norm.

 

[burmafrd]

If you look at the offenses we played in 2003, none of them were great. We probably played more bad offenses that year then any in recent memory. The only decent ones were Philthy and I think Miami- and they both kicked our butts. Carolina was pretty good and scored a lot- expecially in the playoffs.
You recall how TB owned us all game long, and the Pats did as well.

 

[LatinMind]

If you look at the offenses we played in 2003, none of them were great. We probably played more bad offenses that year then any in recent memory. The only decent ones were Philthy and I think Miami- and they both kicked our butts. Carolina was pretty good and scored a lot- expecially in the playoffs.
You recall how TB owned us all game long, and the Pats did as well.

true but even before that, in yrs before that 2003 season dallas was always up there in defense rankings. they held them in games. but the offense just couldnt do anything.

 

[CF74]

Anybody got any stats on sacks with the 4-3 vs 3-4?????

 

[Future]

I personally don't see what difference its gonna make. It will be the same as our nickel pass rush...ware and hatcher outside, maybe we will get lucky and get some pressure up the middle but i doubt it. The only plausible difference I see is against the run, and we havent been that bad against the run this year.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Don't be surprised if we still run the 3-4. We may be bringing extra linemen to see how they work together in different combinations. Like moving Spears inside to NT and Coleman at LDE.

 

[chinch]

some of you guys are confusing 4-3 for nickle.

our nickle D has been abused all year thanks to Roy and co. and we'll be in it alot alot with some tweaks most likely due to Martz' bone-headed pass-happy playcalling.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Anybody got any stats on sacks with the 4-3 vs 3-4?????

We've sucked in both

 

[Dave_in-NC]

We've sucked in both

Sadly true.

 

[MONT17]

4-3 or 3-4... the front 7 has no heart!!!

 

[LatinMind]

Anybody got any stats on sacks with the 4-3 vs 3-4?????

in 2003 dallas had 32 sacks, with nobody to help ellis

in 2005 with ellis and ware dallas had a total of 37

this yr dallas has 33

u have to think dallas has alot more talent then they did in 2003. sure ellis is out, so that might offset some of the effectiveness, but u have to think dallas will do better in a 4-3.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

We've sucked in both

and that's why I'm not excited about the switch,,, it's the "read and react" responsibilities that have hamstrung the pass rush, not the alignment. The ghost of Campo remains unexorcised...

 

[Beast_from_East]

im wonder what will happen if dallas rocks with this 4-3? is this only a 1 game situation? or is this bill seeing the light that maybe this 3-4 wasnt the best thing for dallas? did he have some push from jerry?

if any of you remember the last time dallas played the 4-3 was the 4th quarter of the niner game last yr. and if any of u remember dallas destroyed them in that quarter to get back in the game and win it. they also has spears in the middle and he was great for that short period of time(1 quarter). i have to believe with more talent, and the upcoming of a ratliff this time it would work better. only thing is greg ellis is not playing, that suks.

but do any of you think this is a change in scheme or just a 1 game fix because of the situation?

First of all, its freaking Detroit who clinches the 1st pick with a loss. Not like they are really going to be giving it their best effort, if you know what I mean. We better kick their butt if we lined up in a 1-9-1 formation.

Second, who is the freaking genius that has decided to "try something new" with 1 week until the playoffs start. Shouldnt we be trying to iron out the wrinkles in the scheme we used all freaking season. Yea, lets totally change our defensive scheme with 1 week until playoffs.........Brilliant!!!!!!

If we are "one and done", so is this coaching staff:laugh1:

 

[LatinMind]

First of all, its freaking Detroit who clinches the 1st pick with a loss. Not like they are really going to be giving it their best effort, if you know what I mean. We better kick their butt if we lined up in a 1-9-1 formation.

Second, who is the freaking genius that has decided to "try something new" with 1 week until the playoffs start. Shouldnt we be trying to iron out the wrinkles in the scheme we used all freaking season. Yea, lets totally change our defensive scheme with 1 week until playoffs.........Brilliant!!!!!!

If we are "one and done", so is this coaching staff:laugh1:

im a big anti-parcells fan. but if this is a legit attempt to put the defense in a better posistion to make plays, then im impressed at parcells compromise to shake it up when somethings not working. and its obvious the 3-4 isnt working.

he hasnt been receptive about change since he's been in dallas. its been his way or noway at all. but this is big if dallas does open up in the 4-3 this sunday. with players like freeny probably hitting FA, its not really a stupid move either but a smart move.

maybe roy eats that extra biscuit and becomes an elite LB'er. who knows all i know is for the past 2 yrs they've tried to build a 3-4 and it hasnt worked. all i know is parcells has impressed me this week. especially not taking glenns, and julius, and wittens crap about not being involved along with owens. telling them all to shut up and play and not feed into the medias agenda to owens hate.

this could be a turning point

 

[LatinMind]

and that's why I'm not excited about the switch,,, it's the "read and react" responsibilities that have hamstrung the pass rush, not the alignment. The ghost of Campo remains unexorcised...

while u might not be excited. i know plenty of people who are excited about the possibility of ware being able to rush the qb on every play, instead of wasting his talent covering a back or te .

 

[burmafrd]

Read and react was the same with the 4-3 as it was with the 3-4. Unless you are going to be aggressive and attack it will make very little difference.

 

[LatinMind]

Read and react was the same with the 4-3 as it was with the 3-4. Unless you are going to be aggressive and attack it will make very little difference.

true, im just ready to see something new. its obvious the middle on the defense is where the weakness is. add some much needed size in the middle and stop the run. i think thats why theres a change. not the passrush or the coverage. but the run up the gut on dallas. while ferguson is a hog in the middle, james and akin arent able to take on the blocks. they're there in place to make the play, but they cant shed the blocks.

add, ratliff or spears in the middle and u have something working. im excited to see who starts at DE. wether it be ware & hatcher, ware & canty, weare & spears. im just anxious to see how this fits