What if the 4-3 rocks?

[burmafrd]

James went into the tank as soon as he signed the contract extension. Ayodele seems to be in a slump so I am hopefull for him. But James needs to sit untill he can show the money has not made him a shrump.

 

[LatinMind]

James went into the tank as soon as he signed the contract extension. Ayodele seems to be in a slump so I am hopefull for him. But James needs to sit untill he can show the money has not made him a shrump.

thats the thing tho u cant really sit him because of the money. i think he can do the job if they can keep the hogs off him. hey, even ray lewis had the same problems.

i'd like to see akin back in his norm posistion strong side lb'er. bobby and burnett can run the weakside. with burnett coming in for obvious passing downs

 

[burmafrd]

I don't give a rats *** about how much he is making- if someone else can play better. Try Carp or Burnett or anyone else. Sit the sod down and humiliate him.

 

[LatinMind]

I don't give a rats *** about how much he is making- if someone else can play better. Try Carp or Burnett or anyone else. Sit the sod down and humiliate him.

i wouldnt complain, i just dont see that happening. if carp or burnett could do a better job. i think they would have already been playing.

 

[burmafrd]

Maybe BP is not yet ticked off with him enough to try someone else.

 

[twa]

while u might not be excited. i know plenty of people who are excited about the possibility of ware being able to rush the qb on every play, instead of wasting his talent covering a back or te .

That to me is critical, 3-4 or 4-3 we should be scheming to allow Ware to rush

W/o Ellis we really have not got the lb's to get pressure out of the 3-4,our ilb's have sucked

 

[LatinMind]

That to me is critical, 3-4 or 4-3 we should be scheming to allow Ware to rush

W/o Ellis we really have not got the lb's to get pressure out of the 3-4,our ilb's have sucked

exactly. seems like alot of people who were crying about ellis earlier this yr are finally seeing what this defense is like without him.

 

[burmafrd]

I do not think its all about Ellis- maybe not even mostly. I think that it took a while to find our weaknesses and now everyone knows them. Add to that the simple fact that some of our D players are laying down right now.

 

[LatinMind]

I do not think its all about Ellis- maybe not even mostly. I think that it took a while to find our weaknesses and now everyone knows them. Add to that the simple fact that some of our D players are laying down right now.

well since u have never liked ellis, ill say ur side is a little bias. but the fact is dallas gave up 35 more yrds last yr rushing with ellis playing part time. and almost 100 yrds total more a game since he's been out.

dallas had 13 sacks on 3rd down with ellis this yr. they have 3 sacks with ellis injured on 3rd down. theres your weakness right there.. no ellis

 

[burmafrd]

I have been a moderate fan of Ellis- was always glad we picked him over Moss. BUT I am not blind to the fact that averaging 7-8 sacks a year is underwhelming for a top 15 pick. Certainly he would be a help now- we would definitly be better- but not that much better since the main weaknesses- overall pass rush and bad FS play- were still there when he was playing.
Add to the FACT that teams are only now since NO exploiting our weaknesses on RBs coming out of the backfield to catch passes- something that was not being done when Ellis was playing- just goes to show that while losing Ellis has been bad for the Boys, there are plenty of other reasons that we are lousy right now.

 

[LatinMind]

I have been a moderate fan of Ellis- was always glad we picked him over Moss. BUT I am not blind to the fact that averaging 7-8 sacks a year is underwhelming for a top 15 pick. Certainly he would be a help now- we would definitly be better- but not that much better since the main weaknesses- overall pass rush and bad FS play- were still there when he was playing.
Add to the FACT that teams are only now since NO exploiting our weaknesses on RBs coming out of the backfield to catch passes- something that was not being done when Ellis was playing- just goes to show that while losing Ellis has been bad for the Boys, there are plenty of other reasons that we are lousy right now.

i see all that ur saying, but dallas was a top 5 defense when he was playing. where are they now? while all them other reasons are valid. IMo i think ellis is the biggest reason this defense went south.

top reasons

the two top reasons are directly linked to him

no pressure, no sacks.

actually 3, have u noticed that teams are running away from ware? before where were they running? nowhere, which is why dallas was top 3 against the run. now?

the thing that hurts is the lack of size ellis brought. it was like having 5 DL on the field. thats big no matter what scheme ur playing.

 

[burmafrd]

Size does not matter if you cannot get to the player with the ball.
The replacements for Ellis were not that much smaller and should be much quicker. So I do not really think the running problems are due all that much to Ellis not being there. His position is getting about the same number of tackles that he was getting- so there is not much of a dropoff. Pass rush and pressure certainly is down- BUT it was not that great before he was gone.

 

[AbeBeta]

That to me is critical, 3-4 or 4-3 we should be scheming to allow Ware to rush

I just don't see this -- BP has said several times the Ware isn't big enough to be an every down pass rusher (i.e., a 4-3 DE). We'll see him there in the nickel and that is great -- but he's a very complete 3-4 OLB -- perhaps the most complete one in the league. You don't throw that away for 4-5 more sacks a year from him.

The 3-4 isn't the problem -- the OLBs aren't the issue -- the big problem is that our inside guys don't rush the passer well. If Spears and Canty could generate 4-5 sacks each over a season then we'd see improvements across the board in the sack stats of the other guys.

 

[twa]

I just don't see this -- BP has said several times the Ware isn't big enough to be an every down pass rusher (i.e., a 4-3 DE). We'll see him there in the nickel and that is great -- but he's a very complete 3-4 OLB -- perhaps the most complete one in the league. You don't throw that away for 4-5 more sacks a year from him.

The 3-4 isn't the problem -- the OLBs aren't the issue -- the big problem is that our inside guys don't rush the passer well. If Spears and Canty could generate 4-5 sacks each over a season then we'd see improvements across the board in the sack stats of the other guys.

Ware is big enough for a 4-3 rusher,while I agree he is a complete OLB the problem is w/o a force on the other side and the erratic play from the ILB's his talent is being wasted.

The 3-4 is not the problem ,nor is Ware...but the dearth of talent on the team to provide pressure....along with the useless blitz schemes/execution:bang2: