What if we drafted Ramsey, would Darius had rushed for 1400 yds?

[Outlaw Heroes]

People stack our box not because of the running back but because it's the only chance against our offensive line.

Maybe. There's a good chance McFadden would have faced far fewer stacked boxes in 2015, and Zeke would have faced far fewer last year, if Romo had been taking the snaps. That's not a knock on Dak (though it is a knock on the clowns we trotted out at QB in 2015). But it's one thing to dare a rookie to beat you and quite another to dare one of the elite veteran QBs in the league.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

What resources exactly? They didn't trade up to get the pick, so it didn't cost any additional draft picks. No matter who Dallas drafted at the position it would have cost the same amount in terms of contract and salary cap. Jalen Ramsey, for example was signed for almost the exact amount as Elliott.

I could see the argument to draft another player before the draft last season. I can even understand it partly now. I can't understand the moping about Elliott being on the team at present. Why regret what has turned out to be a very good player and a huge part of the offensive success? Plus it isn't going to change. Just comes across as being bitter for the sake of being bitter. At this point there is no logical or reasonable reason to lament the drafting of Elliott. Or Dak Prescott, either, for those that do. They are the Cowboys present and future.

What resources? How about the 4th most valuable resource in all of the draft last year.

 

[joseephuss]

What resources? How about the 4th most valuable resource in all of the draft last year.

That doesn't make sense. They had to draft somebody with that pick. By your logic just using the draft pick means Dallas is wasting resources no matter who they chose.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

That doesn't make sense. They had to draft somebody with that pick. By your logic just using the draft pick means Dallas is wasting resources no matter who they chose.

I've detailed here and countless other places the rationale for how we did not maximize the value of the selection.

 

[joseephuss]

I've detailed here and countless other places the rationale for how we did not maximize the value of the selection.

I've seen them and they are based on lots of hypotheticals and assumptions. Dallas ended up with a very good player that had individual success and helped the Cowboys have a level of team success. That actually happened. Why are you still lamenting that reality? They didn't end up with another Bobby Carpenter or other bad player of that nature. They got a good one.

Here is a hypothetical for you. Dallas drafts anyone else with the #4 pick. They still want a running back, so they chase one in the early rounds of the 2016 draft causing them to miss out on Dak Prescott. Instead they have both Elliott and Prescott. There is no reason to dislike those two guys being on the Cowboys.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I've seen them and they are based on lots of hypotheticals and assumptions. Dallas ended up with a very good player that had individual success and helped the Cowboys have a level of team success. That actually happened. Why are you still lamenting that reality? They didn't end up with another Bobby Carpenter or other bad player of that nature. They got a good one.

Here is a hypothetical for you. Dallas drafts anyone else with the #4 pick. They still want a running back, so they chase one in the early rounds of the 2016 draft causing them to miss out on Dak Prescott. Instead they have both Elliott and Prescott. There is no reason to dislike those two guys being on the Cowboys.

That's what you don't get. You can get rb production cheaply. Teams don't chase rbs. They're all over.

 

[joseephuss]

That's what you don't get. You can get rb production cheaply. Teams don't chase rbs. They're all over.

You don't get anything in the NFL cheaply. Everything is an investment of some sort whether it is draft position, salary, cap space, time and effort spent scouting, evaluating, interviewing and the like. It all bears a cost. If Dallas drafted a CB it would not have been cheap and they would still need to comb the later rounds to find a running back that could bring to the table what Elliott did and there weren't any. Yet they did find a good cornerback in the later rounds. I suppose Dallas could have drafted Jordan Howard, but since they didn't have a 5th round pick they would have had to use their 4th rounder instead of drafting Prescott.

I can't imagine the level of dissatisfaction you would feel if Dallas had actually drafted a player that couldn't play. Complaining about Elliott is beyond silly. Only 4 rookies made the Pro-bowl and Dallas got 2 of them. Only 3 rookies were all-pro and one of those was a Cowboy. I think Elliott landed in a good situation for a running back. I also think he provided quite a bit as a runner. I don't think any other back in the 2016 draft would work as well as Elliott did. Thinking Dallas could have gotten the same results with player B is ignoring the reality of what actually happened during this past season. I feel the same way about Prescott. No other rookie QB in last years class would have done what he did for the Cowboys. It would be great to fill every hole on the team with one draft class, but that is not realistic. Dallas got 2 good players. We should be happy with that part.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You don't get anything in the NFL cheaply.

That's not true. Again....RBs come cheaply. This isn't a point even the most ardent of Zeke supporters argue.

 

[joseephuss]

That's not true. Again....RBs come cheaply. This isn't a point even the most ardent of Zeke supporters argue.

Just because you say it is not true doesn't make it so. Dallas would not have found a cheap option that could do what Elliott did for them. I don't understand why you are so bothered with having a very good player on the team.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Just because you say it is not true doesn't make it so. Dallas would not have found a cheap option that could do what Elliott did for them. I don't understand why you are so bothered with having a very good player on the team.

NFL's Top 10 rushers last season:

1 Ezekiel Elliott DAL - R1 - 4th overall
2 Jordan Howard CHI - R5 - 150th pick
3 DeMarco Murray TEN - R3 - 71st pick
4 Jay Ajayi MIA - R5 - 149th pick
5 Le'Veon Bell PIT - R2 - 48th pick
6 LeSean McCoy BUF - R2 - 53rd pick
7 David Johnson ARI - R3 - 86th pick
8 LeGarrette Blount NE - undrafted
9 Devonta Freeman ATL - R4 - 103rd pick
10 Lamar Miller - R4 - 97th pick

Off those Top 10 rushers, Zeke led all the RBs with 322 carries. No other back had more than 293 carries.

I'm fully onboard with drafting Zeke, but those acting like it's a stretch to imagine getting similar production from a less highly drafted RB are ignoring reality.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Just because you say it is not true doesn't make it so. Dallas would not have found a cheap option that could do what Elliott did for them. I don't understand why you are so bothered with having a very good player on the team.

CBoys should have gotten rid of Emmitt back in the day, since any rb can have production behind a quality OL.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

NFL's Top 10 rushers last season:

1 Ezekiel Elliott DAL - R1 - 4th overall
2 Jordan Howard CHI - R5 - 150th pick
3 DeMarco Murray TEN - R3 - 71st pick
4 Jay Ajayi MIA - R5 - 149th pick
5 Le'Veon Bell PIT - R2 - 48th pick
6 LeSean McCoy BUF - R2 - 53rd pick
7 David Johnson ARI - R3 - 86th pick
8 LeGarrette Blount NE - undrafted
9 Devonta Freeman ATL - R4 - 103rd pick
10 Lamar Miller - R4 - 97th pick

Off those Top 10 rushers, Zeke led all the RBs with 322 carries. No other back had more than 293 carries.

I'm fully onboard with drafting Zeke, but those acting like it's a stretch to imagine getting similar production from a less highly drafted RB are ignoring reality.

As I said before, why didn't Cowboys get rid of Emmitt and have a 2nd-5th rounder take his place? Since it's easy to find similar production lower in the draft. Who wants something that so called similar, when you have the real thing and that you know is super productive for your team.

 

[RGKnee]

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know its for fun but watch as he acts like an *** as he eats the cereal. It's foolishness, i dont trust him because i dont know where his heart is. Hes egotistical. Hes a Narcisist

Emmitt would have never made this video. But would you expect anything less from him, after that draft fiasco.

I love the O line. I am so proud of that unit. All time best. Thats my squad. Thats how we roll. Copper will be legendary. (ESPN will do a E:60. On him) prediction

Collins will be Pro Bowl RT . From what I heard hes biting at the bit to play RT. Thats all I needed to hear. Thats how we roll

I know Ezekiel is a beast on the field.

But a clown off of it. Disrespectful but at the same time epitomizes todays youth.

I am fine RB position is a turn em out meat grinder. Our O Line is a foundation that transends.

It made 2 strong willed rookies extrodinary.

Wow I'm glad you're not a scout.. you'd be scanning TMZ sites and YouTube videos to make your assessment of someone's talent and character.. in this video they are playing a part!

I bet after watching Scarface you think Al Pacino is a bad guy.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

As I said before, why didn't Cowboys get rid of Emmitt and have a 2nd-5th rounder take his place? Since it's easy to find similar production lower in the draft. Who wants something that so called similar, when you have the real thing and that you know is super productive for your team.

I'm not sure why you're treating the information like it's just theoretical PJ? Are you disputing the information that was just presented?

Like I said, I'm good with drafting Zeke, but I can't for the life of me see why folks are acting like finding productive RBs at later points in the draft is a foreign concept. Are you not seeing the plain evidence that the league's most productive backs are found later in the draft (some not even drafted originally).

 

[Toruk_Makto]

NFL's Top 10 rushers last season:

1 Ezekiel Elliott DAL - R1 - 4th overall
2 Jordan Howard CHI - R5 - 150th pick
3 DeMarco Murray TEN - R3 - 71st pick
4 Jay Ajayi MIA - R5 - 149th pick
5 Le'Veon Bell PIT - R2 - 48th pick
6 LeSean McCoy BUF - R2 - 53rd pick
7 David Johnson ARI - R3 - 86th pick
8 LeGarrette Blount NE - undrafted
9 Devonta Freeman ATL - R4 - 103rd pick
10 Lamar Miller - R4 - 97th pick

Off those Top 10 rushers, Zeke led all the RBs with 322 carries. No other back had more than 293 carries.

I'm fully onboard with drafting Zeke, but those acting like it's a stretch to imagine getting similar production from a less highly drafted RB are ignoring reality.

How many top 4 picks there? OK that's cheating.

How many first rounders?

 

[WillieBeamen]

NFL's Top 10 rushers last season:

1 Ezekiel Elliott DAL - R1 - 4th overall
2 Jordan Howard CHI - R5 - 150th pick
3 DeMarco Murray TEN - R3 - 71st pick
4 Jay Ajayi MIA - R5 - 149th pick
5 Le'Veon Bell PIT - R2 - 48th pick
6 LeSean McCoy BUF - R2 - 53rd pick
7 David Johnson ARI - R3 - 86th pick
8 LeGarrette Blount NE - undrafted
9 Devonta Freeman ATL - R4 - 103rd pick
10 Lamar Miller - R4 - 97th pick

Off those Top 10 rushers, Zeke led all the RBs with 322 carries. No other back had more than 293 carries.

I'm fully onboard with drafting Zeke, but those acting like it's a stretch to imagine getting similar production from a less highly drafted RB are ignoring reality.

You can get great production at any position later in the draft. Look at the top 2 QBs drafted last yr vs our starting QB

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I'm not sure why you're treating the information like it's just theoretical PJ? Are you disputing the information that was just presented?

Like I said, I'm good with drafting Zeke, but I can't for the life of me see why folks are acting like finding productive RBs at later points in the draft is a foreign concept. Are you not seeing the plain evidence that the league's most productive backs are found later in the draft (some not even drafted originally).

What? I was referring to so called similar production from a lower draft pick. My point is similar to what. Would we have gotten another Emmitt if we drafted later in the rounds? Don't know why that is so hard to understand. We HAD our Emmitt. We have our Zeke. Why do we need to find something similar when the rb's (Emmitt or Zeke) are producing at a very high level and doing what the team wants. Is it about the money Zeke makes and why people are upset?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What? I was referring to so called similar production from a lower draft pick. My point is similar to what. Would we have gotten another Emmitt if we drafted later in the rounds? Don't know why that is so hard to understand. We HAD our Emmitt. We have our Zeke. Why do we need to find something similar when the rb's (Emmitt or Zeke) are producing at a very high level and doing what the team wants. Is it about the money Zeke makes and why people are upset?

The point being made was spending a Top 4 pick on a RB was/is a bit rich for some. I can understand that perspective especially based on verifiable longitudinal data that proves you can get All Pro/Pro Bowl talent at the RB position routinely at later points in the draft.

You're arguing in reverse (after the fact), as in "well, we got our Emmitt (or Zeke), why would we draft another RB later?" It totally misses the point. Nobody (at least that I've read on here) is saying we should be looking for something similar to Zeke when we've already spent the resource to draft him.

 

[NotForLong]

I bet after watching Scarface you think Al Pacino is a bad guy.

Hes not a bad guy?
At least I know Pacino is Cuban?

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I'd doubt it. This team would have been okay at rushing, but not the beast that it was. Really glad we got Zeke.