What if we drafted Ramsey, would Darius had rushed for 1400 yds?

[mattjames2010]

Jalen Ramsey is a little too feminine for this team.

Yeah, we don't like shutdown corners in Dallas.

 

[NotForLong]

SportsDay columnist Tim Cowlishaw writes columns and responses to live chats with readers. Here are some of his best pieces from the last month:

Question: It's entirely too early, but all this Jerry talk of expanding Zeke's role in the offense (after he led the league in carries as a rookie) and the general "devaluing of the RB position" talk, plus seeing guys like Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles wait seemingly forever to find new homes, makes me wonder if Zeke will even be a Cowboy beyond his rookie deal. Is that concern justified?

Cowlishaw: Yes. I don't know that the Cowboys think in terms of having Zeke seven or eight years. I don't know that Arizona thinks of David Johnson that way, either. Get all you can while you can -- that is the NFL mentality toward backs today.

This article makes the point I was trying to make. RB's are avoided like the plague when it comes to second contracts. Combined with the fact our O Line transcends the RB position.

Zeke may only be here for 6-7 years and I am good with that. But its not like Johnson in Arizona because thats all him. If he leaves Arizonia what have they got ? Nothning

Cowboys have proven if they throw a young talented RB behind that line the chances are hes gonna be great.

P.S.

Going into his 2nd season, less then 2000 yds should be considered average

 

[CowboyStar88]

SportsDay columnist Tim Cowlishaw writes columns and responses to live chats with readers. Here are some of his best pieces from the last month:

Question: It's entirely too early, but all this Jerry talk of expanding Zeke's role in the offense (after he led the league in carries as a rookie) and the general "devaluing of the RB position" talk, plus seeing guys like Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles wait seemingly forever to find new homes, makes me wonder if Zeke will even be a Cowboy beyond his rookie deal. Is that concern justified?

Cowlishaw: Yes. I don't know that the Cowboys think in terms of having Zeke seven or eight years. I don't know that Arizona thinks of David Johnson that way, either. Get all you can while you can -- that is the NFL mentality toward backs today.

This article makes the point I was trying to make. RB's are avoided like the plague when it comes to second contracts. Combined with the fact our O Line transcends the RB position.

Zeke may only be here for 6-7 years and I am good with that. But its not like Johnson in Arizona because thats all him. If he leaves Arizonia what have they got ? Nothning

Cowboys have proven if they throw a young talented RB behind that line the chances are hes gonna be great.

P.S.

Going into his 2nd season, less then 2000 yds should be considered average

Less then 2000 yards should be considered average?

Hahahaha don't know if I'm just drunk or that is the most idiotic statement on this board. Well wait you've made many of those already. There are way too many variables for that to happen. You must've forgot that Zeke missed 6 quarters because they wrapped up the division. JG is not a coach that looks at personal stats.

Failure would be not reaching the playoffs, Failure would be losing in the first round of said playoffs.
Yet here you are basing 1 player having to get 2000 yards or he's just average when it's been done by what 4 players? Dickerson, Davis, AP and Johnson, yea dude go buy your Ramsey Jacksonville jersey and stop watching the boys. It's amazing this thread is still going.

You sir win the most ridiculous statement of the year award. I feel dumber that I even wasted my time responding to such hyperbolic nonsense. You must be a troll or Ramsey himself.

 

[bud914]

Less then 2000 yards should be considered average?



You sir win the most ridiculous statement of the year award. I feel dumber that I even wasted my time responding to such hyperbolic nonsense. You must be a troll or Ramsey himself.

exactly right....

 

[joseephuss]

P.S.

Going into his 2nd season, less then 2000 yds should be considered average

I think Elliott will have around 2000 yards from scrimmage if things go well for Dallas this season. His involvement in the passing game will grow. I don't expect him to have 2000 yards rushing, nor is it required. Dallas will aim to have a well balanced offense because that will make them the most effective.

It is absurd to set the standard of 2000 yards rushing for Elliott to be considered a good year. If that were the case, then any cornerback Dallas should have drafted instead of Elliott would be required to have 12 to 15 interceptions a season or any defensive end would need 20 sacks.

 

[xwalker]

SportsDay columnist Tim Cowlishaw writes columns and responses to live chats with readers. Here are some of his best pieces from the last month:

Question: It's entirely too early, but all this Jerry talk of expanding Zeke's role in the offense (after he led the league in carries as a rookie) and the general "devaluing of the RB position" talk, plus seeing guys like Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles wait seemingly forever to find new homes, makes me wonder if Zeke will even be a Cowboy beyond his rookie deal. Is that concern justified?

Cowlishaw: Yes. I don't know that the Cowboys think in terms of having Zeke seven or eight years. I don't know that Arizona thinks of David Johnson that way, either. Get all you can while you can -- that is the NFL mentality toward backs today.

This article makes the point I was trying to make. RB's are avoided like the plague when it comes to second contracts. Combined with the fact our O Line transcends the RB position.

Zeke may only be here for 6-7 years and I am good with that. But its not like Johnson in Arizona because thats all him. If he leaves Arizonia what have they got ? Nothning

Cowboys have proven if they throw a young talented RB behind that line the chances are hes gonna be great.

P.S.

Going into his 2nd season, less then 2000 yds should be considered average

Coleslaw is a drunk. He know's nothing. I see why you like him.

 

[NotForLong]

I think Elliott will have around 2000 yards from scrimmage if things go well for Dallas this season. His involvement in the passing game will grow. I don't expect him to have 2000 yards rushing, nor is it required. Dallas will aim to have a well balanced offense because that will make them the most effective.

It is absurd to set the standard of 2000 yards rushing for Elliott to be considered a good year. If that were the case, then any cornerback Dallas should have drafted instead of Elliott would be required to have 12 to 15 interceptions a season or any defensive end would need 20 sacks.

When I said 2000 yds it had nothning to do with the what if (draft Ramsey) so the 13 15 ints is a moot point. Ill say it this way for the "sensitive" police.

Who holds the Cowboys rushing record ? Emmitt? NO, Answer is Demarco Murray with 1845 yds (who we allowed to walk)

2 years ago an old underachieving back who everyone thought was a bust and washed up ended up 4th in the league in rushing and he didnt even start until week 7

Some stats:

He would remain as the starter and finished with 1,089 rushing yards (4th in the NFL), after only gaining 129 yards in his first 5 games. For the second time in his career, he was able to play in all 16 games, while posting 1,417 scrimmage yards (4th among running backs), 4.6 yards-per-carry (3rd in the NFL among the 27 running backs with at least 160 carries), 5 100-yard rushing games (2nd in the NFL), 52 rushing first downs (4th in the NFL), 9 20-plus-yard runs (4th in the NFL), and 2 40-plus-yard runs (4th in the NFL). His 3 rushing touchdowns was second on the team, his 40 receptions was 4th and his 328 receiving yards was 2nd-most in his career for a single season.

Now last year Ezekiel comes in and does something only 4 other RBs were able to do he led the league in rushing with 1631 yds

Only true common denominator I see other then the Star on thier helmets is that OLine

Now if that Oline is pumping out that kind of resume "No Matter who is running behind it"
WHy I am I wrong to expect Zeke to rush for 2000? its the least he can do. Hes the friggin number 4 over all pick with a years experience behind him.

Heck even Darius Jackson could get 1400yds behind this line.

1 thing that seperates Zeke is his pass blocking and hes built like a greek god. Hopefully that tanslates to prolonged health

 

[NotForLong]

Less then 2000 yards should be considered average?

Hahahaha don't know if I'm just drunk or that is the most idiotic statement on this board. Well wait you've made many of those already. There are way too many variables for that to happen. You must've forgot that Zeke missed 6 quarters because they wrapped up the division. JG is not a coach that looks at personal stats.

Failure would be not reaching the playoffs, Failure would be losing in the first round of said playoffs.
Yet here you are basing 1 player having to get 2000 yards or he's just average when it's been done by what 4 players? Dickerson, Davis, AP and Johnson, yea dude go buy your Ramsey Jacksonville jersey and stop watching the boys. It's amazing this thread is still going.

You sir win the most ridiculous statement of the year award. I feel dumber that I even wasted my time responding to such hyperbolic nonsense. You must be a troll or Ramsey himself.

I never said failure I used the word average.

If you look over the last 3 seasons with 3 different RBs you'll clearly see that 1500 yds is about average or what you would expect on this team.

A true testimony to the worth of this OLine.

This thread isnt anti Zeke (except for his Shananigans, which if they were to end today youll never hear another complaint from me)
This thread is to point out the fact that more then anything else Zeke is blessed to be here and not the other way around.

 

[TheRomoSexual]

I never said failure I used the word average.

If you look over the last 3 seasons with 3 different RBs you'll clearly see that 1500 yds is about average or what you would expect on this team.

A true testimony to the worth of this OLine.

This thread isnt anti Zeke (except for his Shananigans, which if they were to end today youll never hear another complaint from me)
This thread is to point out the fact that more then anything else Zeke is blessed to be here and not the other way around.

Zeke is blessed to be here, and we're blessed to have him.

 

[ghst187]

And Ramsey is a beast

Adding Zeke = more wins
Adding Ramsey = one less hole to fill in the secondary

Take your pick...

 

[ChronicCowboy]

OP has a crush on Jalen. Give him a call, rumor is that he's game.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Adding Zeke = more wins
Adding Ramsey = one less hole to fill in the secondary

Take your pick...

Rushing efficiency isn't strongly positively correlated with win percentage.

It's an uncomfortable truth.

And if corners just "fill a hole in the secondary" why are they paid so much? Why are they drafted so frequently and so highly?

Think man.

 

[joseephuss]

Rushing efficiency isn't strongly positively correlated with win percentage.

It's an uncomfortable truth.

And if corners just "fill a hole in the secondary" why are they paid so much? Why are they drafted so frequently and so highly?

Think man.

Rushing efficiently last year is what allowed the Dallas Cowboys to pass efficiently. That was the positive correlation with their winning percentage.

 

[ghst187]

Rushing efficiency isn't strongly positively correlated with win percentage.

It's an uncomfortable truth.

And if corners just "fill a hole in the secondary" why are they paid so much? Why are they drafted so frequently and so highly?

Think man.

Corners are valuable of course and ironically RBs are typically not. However, given our situation with our OL and rookie QB, adding a dynamo at RB changed games for us, changed defenses, and changed the entire character of each game in our favor. Zeke churning out 6, 8, and 12 yard carries kept our D off the field and put points on the board. This directly led to more wins and the #1 seed. Adding Ramsey would've been nice and MAYBE he makes a pivotal play here and there but at the end of the season he doesn't move the needle much as far as increasing our win total.

 

[joseephuss]

When I said 2000 yds it had nothning to do with the what if (draft Ramsey) so the 13 15 ints is a moot point. Ill say it this way for the "sensitive" police.

Who holds the Cowboys rushing record ? Emmitt? NO, Answer is Demarco Murray with 1845 yds (who we allowed to walk)

2 years ago an old underachieving back who everyone thought was a bust and washed up ended up 4th in the league in rushing and he didnt even start until week 7

Some stats:

He would remain as the starter and finished with 1,089 rushing yards (4th in the NFL), after only gaining 129 yards in his first 5 games. For the second time in his career, he was able to play in all 16 games, while posting 1,417 scrimmage yards (4th among running backs), 4.6 yards-per-carry (3rd in the NFL among the 27 running backs with at least 160 carries), 5 100-yard rushing games (2nd in the NFL), 52 rushing first downs (4th in the NFL), 9 20-plus-yard runs (4th in the NFL), and 2 40-plus-yard runs (4th in the NFL). His 3 rushing touchdowns was second on the team, his 40 receptions was 4th and his 328 receiving yards was 2nd-most in his career for a single season.

Now last year Ezekiel comes in and does something only 4 other RBs were able to do he led the league in rushing with 1631 yds

Only true common denominator I see other then the Star on thier helmets is that OLine

Now if that Oline is pumping out that kind of resume "No Matter who is running behind it"
WHy I am I wrong to expect Zeke to rush for 2000? its the least he can do. Hes the friggin number 4 over all pick with a years experience behind him.

Heck even Darius Jackson could get 1400yds behind this line.

1 thing that seperates Zeke is his pass blocking and hes built like a greek god. Hopefully that tanslates to prolonged health

It is a team sport. The Cowboys seek balance and efficiency. They aren't going to chase 2000 yards for their running back. Looking solely at the total rushing yardage(2000 yards expectation) is missing the big picture. Emmitt Smith never got close to 2000 yards because that wasn't required. He played behind a very good line as well. There are no sensitive police. Just people that recognize unrealistic expectations and a lack of understanding on how the game works.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Rushing efficiently last year is what allowed the Dallas Cowboys to pass efficiently. That was the positive correlation with their winning percentage.

So Dak was only successful before cause if Zeke?

Do you realize McFadden in 2015 routinely faced stacked boxes?

People stack our box not because of the running back but because it's the only chance against our offensive line.

 

[joseephuss]

So Dak was only successful before cause if Zeke?

.

No. I didn't even suggest that was the case. Prescott was a big part of why the passing game was efficient last season. So was Elliott and the rushing threat that he and the offensive line provided. If Elliott wasn't around the offense would not have been as good. If Prescott wasn't around the offense would not have been as good. If both were not around then the offense would have looked like it did in 2015 without Romo. Both guys provide balance to the offense and efficiency.

I don't think a top notch running back is necessarily required to have a good NFL offense. I do think it is required for the Cowboys offense and the way it is constructed. Having an average back would hinder the Dallas offense.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Having an average back would hinder the Dallas offense.

I could not disagree more. An average nfl back behind this line would command tremendous respect. Meanwhile the resources not used at rb would serve the team.

Fundamental disagreement.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Adding Zeke = more wins
Adding Ramsey = one less hole to fill in the secondary

Take your pick...

Somehow finding your franchise QB in the same draft gets lost; all success can be directly attributed to Zeke apparently.

 

[joseephuss]

I could not disagree more. An average nfl back behind this line would command tremendous respect. Meanwhile the resources not used at rb would serve the team.

Fundamental disagreement.

What resources exactly? They didn't trade up to get the pick, so it didn't cost any additional draft picks. No matter who Dallas drafted at the position it would have cost the same amount in terms of contract and salary cap. Jalen Ramsey, for example was signed for almost the exact amount as Elliott.

I could see the argument to draft another player before the draft last season. I can even understand it partly now. I can't understand the moping about Elliott being on the team at present. Why regret what has turned out to be a very good player and a huge part of the offensive success? Plus it isn't going to change. Just comes across as being bitter for the sake of being bitter. At this point there is no logical or reasonable reason to lament the drafting of Elliott. Or Dak Prescott, either, for those that do. They are the Cowboys present and future.