What is Dak's supposed "leverage"?

[RonnieT24]

he is more accurate and was the main reason they came back and beat cincinati in the Super Bowl He has a rifle of an arm.
Don't forget Dak's abysmal home playoff performances . He just does not have it my freind,. Dak is the most expensive mistake in cowboys history.

You are free to feel however you want to feel about Dak.. however this lionization of Stafford is borderline... He was the main reason they came back in the Super Bowl? Yeah he was also the main reason they were behind in the first place throwing picks like t-shirts at a basketball game. If that 49er catches the INT Stafford hit him in the chest with in the NFC Championship the Rams don't even get to that Super Bowl. He is more accurate yet has a career completion percentage much lower than Dak's. He has a lower TD ratio (4.7 to 5.2) and a higher INT ratio (2.4 to 1.9) than Dak. He has more seasons with double digit INTs than Dak has seasons played. Since they started tracking advanced stats in 2018 Dak has had bad throw percentages of 17.3, 14.8, 15.1, 14.7, 17.3 and finally 11.7 last year. In that same span Stafford bad throw percentages were 17.4, 20.8, 18.6,18.3,18,.2 and finally 19.0 last year. So please splain to me how the guy with a significantly higher bad throw percentage is "more accurate." Stafford had one great playoff run in 5 appearances... He has gone one and done in the other four. Basically he's Eli Manning with better hair.

 

[basel90]

You are free to feel however you want to feel about Dak.. however this lionization of Stafford is borderline... He was the main reason they came back in the Super Bowl? Yeah he was also the main reason they were behind in the first place throwing picks like t-shirts at a basketball game. If that 49er catches the INT Stafford hit him in the chest with in the NFC Championship the Rams don't even get to that Super Bowl. He is more accurate yet has a career completion percentage much lower than Dak's. He has a lower TD ratio (4.7 to 5.2) and a higher INT ratio (2.4 to 1.9) than Dak. He has more seasons with double digit INTs than Dak has seasons played. Since they started tracking advanced stats in 2018 Dak has had bad throw percentages of 17.3, 14.8, 15.1, 14.7, 17.3 and finally 11.7 last year. In that same span Stafford bad throw percentages were 17.4, 20.8, 18.6,18.3,18,.2 and finally 19.0 last year. So please splain to me how the guy with a significantly higher bad throw percentage is "more accurate." Stafford had one great playoff run in 5 appearances... He has gone one and done in the other four. Basically he's Eli Manning with better hair.

Great stats and i am not saying stafford is Brady by any means. It boils down to a few critical poinsts if you agree:

1- Stafford had a playoff run , and won a Super Bowl against with a team that had less talent overall than what the cowboys surrounded dak with. Dak has not had any run , not even a CCG appearance.
2- Stafford has a cannon of an arm and in clutch games , it makes a huge difference.
3- Stafford 3 years ago would have saved 25-30 million as the rams signed him for around 24 million.

We have been stuck , and will be stuck with him , and i will remind you after this season that he is an ultra expensive JAG QB.

 

[Flamma]

You are free to feel however you want to feel about Dak.. however this lionization of Stafford is borderline... He was the main reason they came back in the Super Bowl? Yeah he was also the main reason they were behind in the first place throwing picks like t-shirts at a basketball game. If that 49er catches the INT Stafford hit him in the chest with in the NFC Championship the Rams don't even get to that Super Bowl. He is more accurate yet has a career completion percentage much lower than Dak's. He has a lower TD ratio (4.7 to 5.2) and a higher INT ratio (2.4 to 1.9) than Dak. He has more seasons with double digit INTs than Dak has seasons played. Since they started tracking advanced stats in 2018 Dak has had bad throw percentages of 17.3, 14.8, 15.1, 14.7, 17.3 and finally 11.7 last year. In that same span Stafford bad throw percentages were 17.4, 20.8, 18.6,18.3,18,.2 and finally 19.0 last year. So please splain to me how the guy with a significantly higher bad throw percentage is "more accurate." Stafford had one great playoff run in 5 appearances... He has gone one and done in the other four. Basically he's Eli Manning with better hair.

When it comes to stuff like this, I try to stay away from career stats. Everyone has watched both QBs play and know that Stafford, like Romo, are more reckless than Dak. However, I think they both have a higher ceiling, but lower floor in general.

Stafford was on the Detroit Lions most of his career. Stafford has been on as many good Lions teams as Dak has been on bad Cowboys teams. So comparing career stats is folly. Does Dak put up those numbers on the Lions for 12 years? Not a chance.

 

[RonnieT24]

When it comes to stuff like this, I try to stay away from career stats. Everyone has watched both QBs play and know that Stafford, like Romo, are more reckless than Dak. However, I think they both have a higher ceiling, but lower floor in general.

Stafford was on the Detroit Lions most of his career. Stafford has been on as many good Lions teams as Dak has been on bad Cowboys teams. So comparing career stats is folly. Does Dak put up those numbers on the Lions for 12 years? Not a chance.

Fine ignore the career stats and just look at the last three seasons when Stafford has been on a Super Bowl team playing with a receiver that won the triple crown and another who was rookie of the year. Even looking at that timeframe Dak's numbers are better. Better completion percentage (roughly 68% to 65%) , better TD/INT ratio (96:34 vs 75:33) , better won/loss record (31-14 to 24-15). Again that's not career.. that's the last 3 seasons when one guy was playing a Super Bowl contender while the other played for the Cowboys. I'm not here to tell anybody that "Stafford sucks" or anything so childish. What I AM here to say is by any objective measure, Dak has been better over the course of their careers and even the last three seasons, eliminating Stafford's abysmal stint in Detroit. Stafford has a better arm. Great. But he is not a better football player. He's had one magical postseason run. Again, he's Eli Manning.. with better hair.. Or maybe you like Joe Flacco as a better comp?

 

[Flamma]

Fine ignore the career stats and just look at the last three seasons when Stafford has been on a Super Bowl team playing with a receiver that won the triple crown and another who was rookie of the year. Even looking at that timeframe Dak's numbers are better. Better completion percentage (roughly 68% to 65%) , better TD/INT ratio (96:34 vs 75:33) , better won/loss record (31-14 to 24-15). Again that's not career.. that's the last 3 seasons when one guy was playing a Super Bowl contender while the other played for the Cowboys. I'm not here to tell anybody that "Stafford sucks" or anything so childish. What I AM here to say is by any objective measure, Dak has been better over the course of their careers and even the last three seasons, eliminating Stafford's abysmal stint in Detroit. Stafford has a better arm. Great. But he is not a better football player. He's had one magical postseason run. Again, he's Eli Manning.. with better hair.. Or maybe you like Joe Flacco as a better comp?

If you're going to emphasize the fact that Stafford was on a SB team, then use that year. They went 12-5. The Rams were a train wreck in 2022. The Cowboys weren't.

I don't know the point of comparing stats between the two anyway. I've already stated I don't think either QB is good enough to go to the SB on this Cowboys team, and their team building philosophy. The question I was asked by the poster base was if I thought the Cowboys had a better shot with Stafford a few years back. Something to that effect. When we consider how we lost the last two times in the playoffs against the 49ers, how could I say no? I can't throw regular season stats at him. It couldn't get any worse from the QB position, could it?

 

[mardwin]

Everybody in the world knows Dak has all the leverage

Yet we still have people in here who have no idea what leverage is

Give it a rest already. Dak has the leverage..

He has all the leverage for what? This is mid July and he still has no contract offer. Dallas is banking on Lance being a decent QB to move on from Dak.

 

[JBS]

He has all the leverage for what? This is mid July and he still has no contract offer. Dallas is banking on Lance being a decent QB to move on from Dak.

Funny joke that was. Well done. I needed the laugh. Thanks

 

[KingCorcoran]

He has all the leverage for what? This is mid July and he still has no contract offer. Dallas is banking on Lance being a decent QB to move on from Dak.

He has leverage to leave for another team if he simply feels like it. Just has to wait another seven months. I’m sure he’ll help Lance if McCarthy ever lets him play.

 

[coult44]

Oh NO !! how can we win without Dakky Chokota Poo !!

Dak is great , that is why we have gone 12-5 the past 3 years ,

But when we get steamrolled when it counts , .... Its Jerry and Staven's fault !!

lmaooo Daktards , contradict themselves everyone chance they get !

Wanna know what a real “tard” is? Someone who doesn’t pay enough attention around here to know who’s a “Dak guy”, who’s not, and who’s in the middle. You clowns kill me. Everyone here knows I blast Dak just as much as I praise him.

 

[Beast_from_East]

I apologize if I indicated that you said it. I don't recall that you did but I know a few others have adamantly said it and even created threads on it.

It very well COULD be a "downgrade". But other teams manage it. And end up improving...sooner or later.

And what does a downgrade really cost us? Might cost a playoff appearance? Quick and embarrassing playoff exits aren't much fun either. And you might hit on a higher draft that changes the course of the franchise.

It's all pure speculation of course. But I'm not sure this "stay the course" that we found ourselves with Garrett and now Dak...is a formula for success either.

And no...certainly not all Dak's fault. The large contract is also a consideration.

Thats a good point, Jerry might be thinking a 1 or 2 year "tank season" can get us a high enough pick to draft our next franchise QB..................who knows, like you said, its all just speculation and guessing at this point.

 

[darthseinfeld]

#Lance

Are you serious. A guy that could've even beat out Sam Darnold for a backup spot

 

[Beast_from_East]

It's a fair question. And my answer...if it were ME!...is that I'm not gonna NOT try just because I am unsure how long it will take.

As far as Romo..and even Dak....I think Jerry just got lucky. Those weren't deliberate and intense effort to get a franchise QB. What's the likelihood of an undrafted QB being one of the best of his time..among really good QBs? What's the chances of a 4th round pick a lot of people passed on, might have fallen lower...being as good as Dak has been?

So we COULD have easily been still stuck in QB purgatory.

I know...just because you "get serious" about finding your franchise QB doesn't mean you do. But I say again...it doesn't mean I'm not gonna put in the effort or resources.

Not doing it...is automatic failure.

Yeah, I get what you are saying.

I guess it comes down to the front office's evaluation of Dak. Do they really think he can lead this team to a conference title game or even a SuperBowl or do they think he has reached his ceiling?

If they think he has reached his ceiling, then it probably is best to just let him walk and start looking for the next QB seriously, like you said. Like using a 1st round pick and if he busts you use another 1st round pick and you keep trying till you hit gold.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He has all the leverage for what? This is mid July and he still has no contract offer. Dallas is banking on Lance being a decent QB to move on from Dak.

So, the Cowboys are banking on a guy that has never taken a single snap for the team to be the next franchise QB

Doesn't seem like a smart strategy to me, but maybe I am missing something here.

Dude must be flat-out-balling in practice

 

[Rockport]

okay...so you think a face palm is a mature what to speak your objections.

Now I know I am dealing with a child.

I shouldn't have to "guess" all of your past comments to know what you are saying.

It is a mistake YOU and a couple others make. You ASSUME you KNOW all my past comments. You do NOT...you even said so. But you expect me to know all of yours.

If I need to read your entire history to get what you are saying...you are doing it wrong,

If I need a bit of clarification, then just say that rather than spend the time to give stupid childish emojis that clarify nothing.

Talk like civilized man not a little child. That would help. "Civilized" is the important word.

FYI...I am not ALWAYS polite and civilized...sometimes I challenge and offend. Call me out when I do that and I will try to do better. .

Holy Issues Bat Man.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Great stats and i am not saying stafford is Brady by any means. It boils down to a few critical poinsts if you agree:

1- Stafford had a playoff run , and won a Super Bowl against with a team that had less talent overall than what the cowboys surrounded dak with. Dak has not had any run , not even a CCG appearance.
2- Stafford has a cannon of an arm and in clutch games , it makes a huge difference.
3- Stafford 3 years ago would have saved 25-30 million as the rams signed him for around 24 million.

We have been stuck , and will be stuck with him , and i will remind you after this season that he is an ultra expensive JAG QB.

Stafford had a playoff run , and won a Super Bowl against with a team that had less talent overall than what the cowboys surrounded dak with. Dak has not had any run , not even a CCG appearance

Its one thing to like Stafford more than Dak, thats fine, but trying to pass off a Rams team that signed 5 top FA's not including the QB as "Less Talented"....not buying that..can you name the positions we had more talent at? Obviously they had a + in the QB for you now go HC through each position and lets put it to the test.

 

[basel90]

Stafford had a playoff run , and won a Super Bowl against with a team that had less talent overall than what the cowboys surrounded dak with. Dak has not had any run , not even a CCG appearance

Its one thing to like Stafford more than Dak, thats fine, but trying to pass off a Rams team that signed 5 top FA's not including the QB as "Less Talented"....not buying that..can you name the positions we had more talent at? Obviously they had a + in the QB for you now go HC through each position and lets put it to the test.

No argumetn that the Rams that year had some elite talent , but my point is that Dak has had that elite talent in different years of his cowboys career ( Top OL , RB combo , and elite receivers etc), yet nothing came out of it with Dak.

If you put dak in Stafford's shoes during his Detroit years, dak would have been cut early. Stafford has weathered many bad teams.

 

[RonnieT24]

No argumetn that the Rams that year had some elite talent , but my point is that Dak has had that elite talent in different years of his cowboys career ( Top OL , RB combo , and elite receivers etc), yet nothing came out of it with Dak.

If you put dak in Stafford's shoes during his Detroit years, dak would have been cut early. Stafford has weathered many bad teams.

And done exactly what through it? Been part of 0-16? Missed the playoffs all but two years? You honestly think Dak could not have duplicated that? Dak, especially in his younger years was much more a threat to run and as such could augment the running game. In helping the running game be better he would have protected the defense.. kinda like he did for years in Dallas before the defense finally started to be good. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Detroit has a better record with Dak in those years than they did with Stafford. Qbs who can run but have passing limitations have been able to help a lot of teams win over the years. Look at Vince Young's won/loss record.. Hell Tim Tebow had a winning record as a starter. There are others but you get the point. Athletic QBs can win games without being elite passers. They just hit the wall in the playoffs when being an elite passer comes to the forefront.

 

[basel90]

And done exactly what through it? Been part of 0-16? Missed the playoffs all but two years? You honestly think Dak could not have duplicated that? Dak, especially in his younger years was much more a threat to run and as such could augment the running game. In helping the running game be better he would have protected the defense.. kinda like he did for years in Dallas before the defense finally started to be good. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Detroit has a better record with Dak in those years than they did with Stafford. Qbs who can run but have passing limitations have been able to help a lot of teams win over the years. Look at Vince Young's won/loss record.. Hell Tim Tebow had a winning record as a starter. There are others but you get the point. Athletic QBs can win games without being elite passers. They just hit the wall in the playoffs when being an elite passer comes to the forefront.

Dak has huge problems in decision making , and reading defenses , and that results in inconsistencies , especially against winning teams and in the playoffs . Just watch his start against the packers and how Cee Dee knew Dak is flustered . All the fans and players can see it in Dak .
stafford has a Super Bowl ring .

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

His leverage is, his agent isn't a senile pants-urinator, and his owner is.

Leverage: Dak

 

[Adreme]

Dak has huge problems in decision making , and reading defenses , and that results in inconsistencies , especially against winning teams and in the playoffs . Just watch his start against the packers and how Cee Dee knew Dak is flustered . All the fans and players can see it in Dak .
stafford has a Super Bowl ring .

I mean his stats against playoff teams basically mirror every other QB that isn't Mahomes so if you want to comment on those inconsistencies apparently 30 other starting QBs have the same problem. Also do we think Stafford suddenly got significantly better at QB at age 34 or did he just get put into a better situation highlighting how wins are not a QB stat and how teams win games?

Finally, can I just laugh at the idea that Lamb looked so detached at the start of the game that after the first series the announcers were commenting that he looked off and your response is to blame Dak for the fact that Lamb could not focus up for a playoff game? That just seems insane to me.