What is Mike Jenkins' Trade Value?

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Executive Summary: Jenkins is worth much more than I think people expect. His expected production should be at least a second round pick in 2013, possibly a first (though it's unlikely for someone to part with a first). Based on a review of the draft, people expect entirely too much out of mid-round corners. I estimate there's less than a 10% chance of finding a corner equivalent to Jenkins in the third and fourth rounds of the NFL draft. And I estimate there's a less than 5% chance of finding a better corner.

Reports have been that the trade offers have been "compelling". I've seen "a [fourth] [third] at best" said so many times I can't count, and the range is as low as a seventh round pick. So let's consider what that means.

First, we have to discount the value of the pick. If someone is giving up a future draft pick, the rule of thumb is to discount the pick by a full round. Thus, if a team offers its 2013 first round pick, we value it as a second. A third round pick is valued as a fourth, and so on.

Next, let's look at the production that Jenkins would provide to another team. When he is healthy, everyone would expect Jenkins to start every single game for the Lions or the Colts. But what level of play should they expect? In 2009, we can all agree that Jenkins had a legitimate pro bowl season. The 2010 season is hard to gauge. There's no doubt that Jenkins played terribly. The doubt comes when trying to determine the cause -- did he simply quit with the rest of the defense? Or was that more indicative of his ability? Looking at the 2011 season, one would have to conclude the former. He wasn't great in 2011, but he was certainly closer to his 2009 performance than his 2010 performance. I think somewhere between that 2011 and 2009 performance is what you can reasonably expect out of Jenkins. That would put him among the better corners in the league, capable of starting every game and excelling at times. There's no doubt that he would be an immediate significant improvement for either the Colts or the Lions.

Now, let's compare what you can expect out of a drafted corner. Let's assume a team was willing to give us a 2013 second or third round draft pick -- generally higher than most people on this forum think he's worth. Those picks would discount to a 2012 third or fourth round pick (yes, the draft is over, but we have to discount). I ran numbers on every corner (as listed on NFL.com, though some have switched to safety and back) from 2008 forward to see what sort of player we're talking about. This amounted to a group of 54 players drafted, thus we should have a good feel for what you can expect out of these draft picks.

On average, these 54 players started only 3.0 games per season. And they played in 10.5 games per season (much of the snaps in those games probably were in special teams). By comparison, Jenkins started in 11.5 games per season and played in 14.5 games per season. Only 5 out of the 54 players started in at least 10 games per season. Only 13 of the 54 players started in at least 5 games per season. Over half of these draft picks have started in less than 2 games per season over their career.

These 54 players average 0.588 INTs per season. Jenkins averages 2.0 INTs per season (over three times as many INTs). Only 4 out of 54 players averaged more INTs per season than Jenkins. Nearly half of these players haven't even managed a single INT in their career. In all, I'd say there are only 3-4 players out of the 54 drafted in those rounds that I'd consider even in the same ball park as Mike Jenkins. None of them are appreciably better.

Based on this limited research, I'd estimate there's less than a 10% chance of finding a corner equivalent to Jenkins in the third and fourth rounds of the NFL draft. And I'd say there's a less than 5% chance of finding a better corner.

So, let me ask you. If you're the Colts or the Lions, and you're looking for a corner, what you would expect to receive more production from -- a third or fourth round pick? Or Mike Jenkins?
 

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Hostile;4575743 said:
Where is this from? Very well written and rational.
Ha, thanks. Needs some editing. And if I wasn't so lazy, I'd do more research.

I got bored so started looking at past corners drafted this morning and turned it into a post.
 

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theogt;4575745 said:
Ha, thanks. Needs some editing. And if I wasn't so lazy, I'd do more research.

I got bored so started looking at past corners drafted this morning and turned it into a post.
Oh, I thought you posted an article. I am sorry. No diss was meant.

This is outstanding. 5 stars from me.
 

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Agree 100%.

I hear people talking about a 4th, 5th, etc. I don't see how you could find a corner better than Jenkins in the 4th or even the 3rd.
 

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The same argument could be made for a lot of players who have been traded. The truth of the matter is that you don't get a lot for players these days.

I think his value to the Cowboys is greater than what we would get in return. I think even a 3rd round pick is about the most we can hope to get.
 

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How much trade value does Brandon Carr currently have for the cowboys?

You would be unlikely to find anyone of his caliber even in the middle of the 1st round next year. So is he worth a first?

He's actually worth basically nothing. The reason he has no trade value is that he is paid exactly what he is worth. That is the entire purpose of free agency. If he was worth so much, another team would have paid him that.

That's why it's so rare to see players traded who need to sign contracts. The only times you see this is when a team is desperate for a player at that position, it is rare and hard to find that player and he is "the missing piece", or that team feels like they're "1 player away" (aka, roy williams). They can have value beyond their salary for the sole reason that there is a salary cap, and a player can't be paid what they're worth even after free agency. This is the main reason there are so many trades in the nba for max players, they are all underpaid.

The main way draft picks have value is that draft picks are extremely underpaid, rather than the other source of value in that they are one of the few ways to acquire new talent. Mike Jenkins is extremely underpaid next year. He is basically worth the value of how much he is underpaid next year, which is about 8 million dollars.

So, the question is, what is the drat pick that is worth 8 million dollars?

Since he is a free agent following next year, he has limited value beyond that.
 

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I would be interested to see a similar analysis applied to Anthony Spencer's contract situation.
 

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hra8700 is onto it.

Jenkins' messy contract status will be inherited by the team who acquires him. And that will seriously deflate his trade value.

In our salary capped world no player can be evaluated outside of the context of player control and amortized value.
 

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hra8700;4575771 said:
How much trade value does Brandon Carr currently have for the cowboys?

You would be unlikely to find anyone of his caliber even in the middle of the 1st round next year. So is he worth a first?

He's actually worth basically nothing. The reason he has no trade value is that he is paid exactly what he is worth. That is the entire purpose of free agency. If he was worth so much, another team would have paid him that.

That's why it's so rare to see players traded who need to sign contracts. The only times you see this is when a team is desperate for a player at that position, it is rare and hard to find that player and he is "the missing piece", or that team feels like they're "1 player away" (aka, roy williams). They can have value beyond their salary for the sole reason that there is a salary cap, and a player can't be paid what they're worth even after free agency. This is the main reason there are so many trades in the nba for max players, they are all underpaid.

The main way draft picks have value is that draft picks are extremely underpaid, rather than the other source of value in that they are one of the few ways to acquire new talent. Mike Jenkins is extremely underpaid next year. He is basically worth the value of how much he is underpaid next year, which is about 8 million dollars.

So, the question is, what is the drat pick that is worth 8 million dollars?

Since he is a free agent following next year, he has no value beyond that.
You're right that this analysis does not account for salary. You're wrong that a free agent necessarily signs for the market clearing price, which should be obvious.

Also, while Jenkins doesn't have several more years of a rookie contract, he provides much more immediate impact than a younger player because there is no "welcome to the NFL" learning curve.

Would you rather pay (a) $6-8 million per season and a second/third/fourth round pick for Jenkins or (b) a rookie contract for a less than 5% chance of finding someone better?
 

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Well written and good research.

Lions - He would have much more value to the Lions than to the Colts, IMO. Health would be a bigger issue than contract.

Colts - Why would a rebuilding team sign an injured vet with 1 year on his contract?

Cowboys - The 4th and 5th CBs played a lot of snaps last year. How much is it worth to have Mike Jenkins over Alan Ball.

When ?

Now.
The new team would have to waive him passing a physical.

During training camp.
The new team could wait until he can pass a physical.

After game 1.
His value is probably highest at this point. Some team either over-estimated their quality at the position or a starter gets injured. The Cowboys would have a better feel for Claiborne's readiness.
 

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xwalker;4575778 said:
After game 1.
His value is probably highest at this point. Some team either over-estimated their quality at the position or a starter gets injured. The Cowboys would have a better feel for Claiborne's readiness.

IF Jenkins is to be traded, and I still think that he isn't, I think it would most likely come after the season has started to a team that is in desperate need of CB help in order to remain relevant in their division through the remainder of the season.
 

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T-RO;4575775 said:
hra8700 is onto it.

Jenkins' messy contract status will be inherited by the team who acquires him. And that will seriously deflate his trade value.

In our salary capped world no player can be evaluated outside of the context of player control and amortized value.
Jenkins' contract is ideal for a trade really. He's cheap this coming year and could be franchised the next if he's unwilling to negotiate. My guess is with that leverage the trading partner could immediately negotiate a long-term contract around $6-7 million per year, which would be incredibly good value for a starting player at a position that regularly commands 50-100% more than that.
 

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Good post but one thing is missing from the analysis and that is his current contract.

He has one year left on his deal at the rookie rate which is a heavy discount obviously.

You know he is going to walk after the season.

He is hurt.

He is a fine corner though. Top 15 in the league good if he is healthy and he is tough and will play through injury.

So then it becomes one year of a top 15 corner at a heavily discounted rate

vs a draft pick for 4 years at a heavily discounted rate.

I can see taking a third but no way I do that until I can let the bidding process take place. We are in no hurry whatsoever and as players get hurt either we will need him that much more or so will another team.

Wait and see makes the most sense to me.
 

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I don't know. I have a feeling though that if Jenkins recovers well from his injury and he shows he can continue to produce, Jerry will find a way to resign him and make him happy. I know we have a bunch of money tied up in the secondary but it is one of the few areas on the field where you need to spend big time to be effective. Especially if the offense can't stay on the field.
 

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I can' t believe you would bring logic and reasoning to this board. On top of that you did research that you incorporated into your reasoning. Well done theogt, well done.
 

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Cajuncowboy;4575798 said:
I don't know. I have a feeling though that if Jenkins recovers well from his injury and he shows he can continue to produce, Jerry will find a way to resign him and make him happy. I know we have a bunch of money tied up in the secondary but it is one of the few areas on the field where you need to spend big time to be effective. Especially if the offense can't stay on the field.

I am inclined to agree with you. This was the reason the Chiefs let Bradon go though. They had already paid Flowers and Berry a significant amount of money.

It is an expensive luxury to have all three of your cornerbacks capable of starting. Not to mention an adequate slot corner in Scandrick.

I do think there is a slight chance that we could resign Jenkins. He never seemed to be all that into football to me.This is just a paycheck to a lot of players, and some people seem to forget that. Maybe getting paid and not having to play so much could appeal to him.
 
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