What is with all of the Ramsey love?

[QT]

Honestly guys, we got Ramsey literally a year ago. Byron Jones is the equivalent of Ramsey. I dont know why so many are upset that we didnt take him over Elliott. At least we know Elliott is a RB, Ramsey projects better at safety than corner, and doesnt want to play safety. You dont allocate 26 million to a guy who doesnt even know what position he is better at, or a guy with 3 picks. I dont care what people say, he was targeted plenty and didnt come away with the ball. At least with Zeke we know what we are getting.

Agreed... You don't draft a corner at 4 unless he is a shutdown corner... Like, let's say Deion Sanders college resume. Let see, he's slower (4.4 compared to 4.2), much less INTs (3 compared to 14), was not a dynamic punt returner like Deion (this is another positive, Deion can also hurt you in special teams (along with other CBs drafted in the top 10 ex Patrick Peterson)...Ramsey had 1 punt return for 6 yards)

Back to the teams were afraid to throw it Ramsey's way, NO, so I guess Deion persuade opposing teams to throw it his side so he could get 14 INTs. Fact is, RAMSEY HAS TERRIBLE HANDS. I counted 2 or 3 drops in his highlights. Most his highlights are blitzes and tackles.

 

[CyberB0b]

He's way better than Byron Jones. Byron Jones is far from a proven commodity. Having guys with the versatility to cover a tight end, slot receiver or play in space is essential in the league.

 

[ConceptCoop]

Agreed... You don't draft a corner at 4 unless he is a shutdown corner... Like, let's say Deion Sanders college resume. Let see, he's slower (4.4 compared to 4.2), much less INTs (3 compared to 14), was not a dynamic punt returner like Deion (this is another positive, Deion can also hurt you in special teams (along with other CBs drafted in the top 10 ex Patrick Peterson)...Ramsey had 1 punt return for 6 yards)

Back to the teams were afraid to throw it Ramsey's way, NO, so I guess Deion persuade opposing teams to throw it his side so he could get 14 INTs. Fact is, RAMSEY HAS TERRIBLE HANDS. I counted 2 or 3 drops in his highlights. Most his highlights are blitzes and tackles.

Ramsey played WR in HS and caught everything at the combine and in private workouts. His hands aren't bad, we're just dealing with a small sample size and random variance.

You got your guy, be happy. No need to be daft in discrediting other options.

 

[MRV52]

EE or Ramsey?

Ramsey

 

[Corso]

I agree. Ramsey is history. Let it go.

'Ear wot? I be gobsmacked to hear this! Ramsey is a blinding player deserved of praise and idolatry.
I'm not taking a piss, I'm saying you're being dodgy.

Let's call this tosh a tosh and start this kerfuffle, Red Coat!

God Bless America!

 

[phildadon86]

He's way better than Byron Jones. Byron Jones is far from a proven commodity. Having guys with the versatility to cover a tight end, slot receiver or play in space is essential in the league.

Didnt Byron do that last season? Or did i miss something? HE shut down Gronk in his rookie season. That speaks volumes

 

[jksmith269]

Honestly guys, we got Ramsey literally a year ago. Byron Jones is the equivalent of Ramsey. I dont know why so many are upset that we didnt take him over Elliott. At least we know Elliott is a RB, Ramsey projects better at safety than corner, and doesnt want to play safety. You dont allocate 26 million to a guy who doesnt even know what position he is better at, or a guy with 3 picks. I dont care what people say, he was targeted plenty and didnt come away with the ball. At least with Zeke we know what we are getting.

If you watch the video's of him playing Safety he sucked at safety, when running back's made it to the second level he'd come in on a tackle but like he was trying to get away, you get injured playing like that. Now look at the running back's in the NFL, if he was like that in the ACC he's going to be in trouble in the NFL. Then look at his coverage, he had good ball skills just can't catch for crap. Then add to the size of the WR's in the NFC I'm glad we didn't take him, IMO I think he ends up being a lot like Clairborne. But we can all play couch coaching until three years down the road none of us will know if we made a good pick. Injuries will as usual have a big part in if draft's are busts or successes. Just look at Brady, if Bledsoe hadn't got injured would Tom of ever seen the field in New England???

 

[jnday]

This is not a fair comparison, anymore then saying Elliot had better be the next AP. If you are going to hold Ramsey to that standard, then you have to do the same with Elliot and the odds of Elliot being the next AP are pretty slim IMO.

I agree that the player you get at 4 should be a HOF cornerstone player for you but we just picked a player who may not even be with this team in 6 years.

When it comes to tenure, there is no sure thing type of player that has zero chance of leaving. Every player drafted could be gone in just a few short years.

 

[jnday]

Ramsey played WR in HS and caught everything at the combine and in private workouts. His hands aren't bad, we're just dealing with a small sample size and random variance.

You got your guy, be happy. No need to be daft in discrediting other options.

In the ESPN show, Herm Edwards scolded him pretty bad snd told him that he needed to work in this hands and catching the ball catching the ball. Herm noticed the problem right way away and with his DB experience , I feel like he knows what he is talking about:

 

[LatinMind]

Honestly guys, we got Ramsey literally a year ago. Byron Jones is the equivalent of Ramsey. I dont know why so many are upset that we didnt take him over Elliott. At least we know Elliott is a RB, Ramsey projects better at safety than corner, and doesnt want to play safety. You dont allocate 26 million to a guy who doesnt even know what position he is better at, or a guy with 3 picks. I dont care what people say, he was targeted plenty and didnt come away with the ball. At least with Zeke we know what we are getting.

Media called him the best player in the draft after all the games were done. And while most fans openly hate ESPN once they come out with a article on how great a player is they eat it up.

 

[hornitosmonster]

Very excited to see this offense with Zeke. So Ramsey who?

 

[conner01]

This is not a fair comparison, anymore then saying Elliot had better be the next AP. If you are going to hold Ramsey to that standard, then you have to do the same with Elliot and the odds of Elliot being the next AP are pretty slim IMO.

I agree that the player you get at 4 should be a HOF cornerstone player for you but we just picked a player who may not even be with this team in 6 years.

EE is not AP but he is a very complete RB. AP is one of a kind power runner with speed. EE will be a very good RB and is a good reciever too. I was no fan of a RB at 4 or Ramsey for that matter but one thing I think is very important. Zeke was the safest pick they could have made

 

[irishline]

He's way better than Byron Jones. Byron Jones is far from a proven commodity. Having guys with the versatility to cover a tight end, slot receiver or play in space is essential in the league.

"Dallas’ first-round draft pick showed his versatility in 2015, spending time at outside cornerback, in the slot, and at safety in the first year of his career. He was solid against the run, but it was his play in coverage that earned him a spot as a top-three defensive rookie, where he notched six pass breakups over the course of the year. The Cowboys had the foresight to uncover his versatility, and by the end of the season, Jones had played 249 snaps as an outside corner, 185 as a slot corner, 270 as a free safety, and 186 as a strong safety or extra linebacker in the box. With front offices now salivating for that chess piece player who can move all across the defensive backfield, Jones thrived in his varying role in the Cowboys’ defensive backfield."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/01/14/pro-pffs-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-ronald-darby/

"Defensive Rookie of the Year... 3. Byron Jones, S, CB, NB, LB, Cowboys His position title tells the story."

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/12/21/2015-nfl-awards-mvp-defensive-player-year

"Byron Jones had a fantastic rookie season. He played safety at times, linebacker at times, and worked as a cornerback. Watching Jones on tape in the 2015 season, and I noticed him a lot because we evaluated him as arguably the single-best prospect in the 2015 NFL Draft, he was completely locking down tight ends in the passing game this year..."

https://www.fantasyfootballmetrics..../my-2015-defensive-rookie-of-the-year-voting/

"The Dallas Cowboys' five-game losing streak has overshadowed stellar play from a pair of rookies. First-round defensive back Byron Jones played all 62 snaps versus Seattle, overtaking J.J. Wilcox for the starting free safety job while also handling primary nickelback duties. Jones is tied with Morris Claiborne for the team lead with five pass breakups and is fourth on the team with 31 tackles. The coaching staff is thrilled with his ability to cover bigger tight ends one on one..."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...okie-of-the-year-watch-jones-collins-emerging

"Cowboys DB Byron Jones
Grade: A
Pick: No. 27 overall
The skinny: Jones has started games at both cornerback and safety. He has a unique skill set and provides the Cowboys with a valuable chess piece to match up with opponents."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...e-rookie-firstrounders-dbs-lead-top-standouts

"Jones' 47 tackles were the fifth-most on the Cowboys. And, to the shock of no one, opposing quarterbacks seemed to target the receiver the rookie was responsible for more times than not. But Jones held his own, defending eight passes on the year, the most on the Cowboys. Jones quickly proved the Cowboys right in selecting him, and it looks like Dallas has a defensive player they can build around."

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/...ones-demarcus-lawrence-building-blocks-011316

I'm sorry but what? Byron Jones not only did what you said is "essential in the league", but did it so well these are just a few of the season end reviews of his rookie year. It's alright to want a player on your team, but how about we try not to diminish the accomplishments of someone (on said team) who has in fact already proven they can adequately do what you say they can't. I am not saying that Ramsey isn't as good or won't be better than Jones, but to say Jones can't hold a candle to him, at this point, is just wrong. Lets see if Ramsey can even accomplish what you read above before saying who is way better than who.

 

[CyberB0b]

Didnt Byron do that last season? Or did i miss something? HE shut down Gronk in his rookie season. That speaks volumes

I didn't get a chance to fully expound. I'm saying he was great at tight ends, but he is kind of unproven elsewhere. He didn't settle into the FS spot until the last few games last year. I think he is capable of doing all of that, as is Ramsey. It wouldn't be bad to have two guys like that. With that said, I was fine with Zeke, Ramsey, or a trade down going in.

 

[Nexx]

I didn't get a chance to fully expound. I'm saying he was great at tight ends, but he is kind of unproven elsewhere. He didn't settle into the FS spot until the last few games last year. I think he is capable of doing all of that, as is Ramsey. It wouldn't be bad to have two guys like that. With that said, I was fine with Zeke, Ramsey, or a trade down going in.

you sir are a clown

 

[CyberB0b]

you sir are a clown

That made me sad. I guess I'm a sad clown now.

 

[dallasdave]

Honestly guys, we got Ramsey literally a year ago. Byron Jones is the equivalent of Ramsey. I dont know why so many are upset that we didnt take him over Elliott. At least we know Elliott is a RB, Ramsey projects better at safety than corner, and doesnt want to play safety. You dont allocate 26 million to a guy who doesnt even know what position he is better at, or a guy with 3 picks. I dont care what people say, he was targeted plenty and didnt come away with the ball. At least with Zeke we know what we are getting.

Well said !!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

When it comes to tenure, there is no sure thing type of player that has zero chance of leaving. Every player drafted could be gone in just a few short years.

That's true but, the odds of a back leaving, as opposed to a CB, LT, Edge Rusher, Elite WR or QB are better IMO. The shelf life on a back is shorter and you are creating hardship for yourself when you sign them to an expensive contract. If you have a great player at one of those other positions, you do what you have to to keep them. A RB, I don't know if that is necessarily true.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

EE is not AP but he is a very complete RB. AP is one of a kind power runner with speed. EE will be a very good RB and is a good reciever too. I was no fan of a RB at 4 or Ramsey for that matter but one thing I think is very important. Zeke was the safest pick they could have made

Perhaps. I personally believe that Tunsil was the safest pick but that's here nor there.

 

[conner01]

Perhaps. I personally believe that Tunsil was the safest pick but that's here nor there.

Probably was till the day of the draft