What makes the Seahawks' Tampa 2 work?

[jterrell]

SEA is a similar defense to ours. They are certainly bigger and more physical.

We need to be healthy if you want to know what will help us most. We have lots of money on IR/PUP.

The biggest advantage Seattle has is an effective QB costing them 700K in cap hit.
We'll see how deep and good that defense is once they have to pay Wilson.

 

[Idgit]

PEDs

That's actually worth noting in this case.

 

[benson]

A healthy Ware, Spencer, Ratliff, and Hatcher along with allowing our press corners to play man would instantly turn this defense into a top unit. However, this is fantasy as it usually is with the boys.

 

[jterrell]

quoted for truth
when our FO understands these simple things, and develops a plan to implement them, we will contend consistently

until then we can be content with making excuses like: it is luck, the ball bounces differently for us, the refs are against us, NFL is an up and down league and righ now we just 'happen' to be down, we have injuries (as if other teams dont), etc

If you want to quote for truth, try making sure it is actually true.

The Seahawks are solid along both lines but are hardly world beaters. In fact they are quite average.

The Seahawks run the ball "pretty well" but only because Russell Wilson runs it well and often. He has over 130 yards and ~5.0 YPC.
Marshawn Lynch is at 3.9 yards per carry and 308 yards. That's below DeMarco Murray in both stats.
Remove Wilson as runner and the Seahawks are bottom half the league in average and total yards.

On DL they have a solid run stuffing base but they are lesser pass rushers than us except when Ware is out dinged.
But the secondary has 7 picks and also provides press coverage taking away so much every play.

If you took and replaced the Dallas and Seahawks OL/DL the results would hardly change at all.

It is the Seahawks variable offensive attack with Wilson as a rushing threat and their unique secondary that are so very different.
Earl Thomas is an All Pro Safety. They have a Pro Bowl CB. And often times those two get outplayed by their counterparts.
They also have a monumental home field advantage where teams can seldom audible and thus play MUCH better at home.

 

[CATCH17]

They just got owned by Schaub last week.

1 huge advantage they have is their fans at home.

Other than that they are just like any other NFL defense. Prone to get lit up any Sunday.

 

[Idgit]

If you want to quote for truth, try making sure it is actually true.

The Seahawks are solid along both lines but are hardly world beaters. In fact they are quite average.

The Seahawks run the ball "pretty well" but only because Russell Wilson runs it well and often. He has over 130 yards and ~5.0 YPC.
Marshawn Lynch is at 3.9 yards per carry and 308 yards. That's below DeMarco Murray in both stats.
Remove Wilson as runner and the Seahawks are bottom half the league in average and total yards.

On DL they have a solid run stuffing base but they are lesser pass rushers than us except when Ware is out dinged.
But the secondary has 7 picks and also provides press coverage taking away so much every play.

If you took and replaced the Dallas and Seahawks OL/DL the results would hardly change at all.

It is the Seahawks variable offensive attack with Wilson as a rushing threat and their unique secondary that are so very different.
Earl Thomas is an All Pro Safety. They have a Pro Bowl CB. And often times those two get outplayed by their counterparts.
They also have a monumental home field advantage where teams can seldom audible and thus play MUCH better at home.

This is exactly right. That Texans game was a case in point for how they win. It was interesting to see them gut that out on the road on the backs of big plays from that secondary. They're a legit team. Their front is deep and plays effective gap control, though. Tough to run on, and then you have to throw into that secondary where they're going to beat you. On offense, they just have to be able to convert better than you do, and having a careful QB who can convert with his legs makes that pretty easy. Especially, as you say, at home, where you can't audible, and, if you can't run, you're dead.

I really like this SEA team the last two years. They're fun to watch, and they stick a finger in the eye of 9er fans for me, who kill me daily, given where I live.

 

[EPL0c0]

It really is all about execution and consistancy. The scheme doesn't matter as long as it's done well. A defense can/will always adjust to each opponent, but those adjustments must be executed consistantly every down, every drive.

 

[Idgit]

They just got owned by Schaub last week.

1 huge advantage they have is their fans at home.

Other than that they are just like any other NFL defense. Prone to get lit up any Sunday.

Owned in a victory. Apart from shutting them out after half-time, the pick-six that sent the road game to overtime, and then the defense shutting down the HOU offense twice to win it all in the extra period, you mean?

 

[xwalker]

pressure has been better than it has been in years. plus if you add our hurt guys are they really that much better? they're probably bigger, that's it.

The pressure on Rivers was minimal.

 

[Idgit]

The pressure on Rivers was minimal.

It was virtually non-existent in the second half.

 

[visionary]

If you took and replaced the Dallas and Seahawks OL/DL the results would hardly change at all.

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forgive me while i pick myself off the ground from laughing myself silly

your post is clearly not agenda-driven

 

[visionary]

The pressure on Rivers was minimal.

agreed

but it has everything to do with our poor CBs and nothing to do with our great DL (not saying you are saying this xw) becasue our DL is just as good as seattle's

 

[Gameover]

Their linebackers can cover. I don't think the Cowboys have good cover linebackers... Sean Lee included.

 

[jterrell]

forgive me while i pick myself off the ground from laughing myself silly

your post is clearly not agenda-driven

Righhhttt... and you are adding so much agenda-free data to the discussion.

Our DL was getting zero rush last week largely because the best pass rusher was on the sideline with back spasms, the 2nd best was on the sideline in street clothes and the 3rd best is somewhere plotting to destroy the owner.

But it also had a lot to do with San Diego abandoning any desire to throw more than 3 step drop passes until they wore down a banged up defense.

But let's not compare apples to apples at all.

How many 5 yard slants does Seattle give up?

The season isn't 1 week long. After two weeks Dallas was amongst the best pass rushing teams in football with 10 sacks through 2 games. They lead the NFL in time of possession and ball control offense.

The game was lost by poor coverage and heinous WR play not in the trenches.
Our OL/DL play has been a plus this year. But the crying ninnies only care that they can cry so they forget to consider why they should be crying.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Dont rule out the influence of Carroll, he has ooooooh about 30 years of defensive coaching experience.


Bruce Carter went from looking like a potential pro bowler to chasing shadows around the field. Something isnt right with this scheme.

Well see Carter is probably the only guy I feel like isn't playing to his potential. But I thought the 1st two games of the season he looked solid. But i'm not sure if its not catering to Carter's strength's or if its him simply not playing well and not adapting to it.

But he's getting the most out of Hatcher, Scandrick, Carr, Lee, Ware and Selvie so should we scrap it and say its a failure because two guys are not having the best time adjusting to it?

 

[xwalker]

agreed

but it has everything to do with our poor CBs and nothing to do with our great DL (not saying you are saying this xw) becasue our DL is just as good as seattle's

Dallas is depending on these guys:
Hayden - Didn't play in 2012
Selvie - Cut by multiple other teams
Nevis - Cut by two other teams this year
Edgar Jones - Career special teams player
Rayford - 27 year old NFL rookie

When Ware and Selvie were out a significant amount of time in the second half last week, they were replaced by Edgar Jones and 2nd year player Kyle Wilber (4th round pick).

The backup DEs in Seattle are Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and 1st round pick Bruce Irvin.

 

[CATCH17]

Owned in a victory. Apart from shutting them out after half-time, the pick-six that sent the road game to overtime, and then the defense shutting down the HOU offense twice to win it all in the extra period, you mean?

Houston dictated that entire game until they started trying to kill the clock and Schaub made a mistake.

I give the defense about 0 credit for that pick 6. Thats 100% on Matt Schaub.


Defenses in the NFL stink. Just try to slow the opponent down and create turnovers is about as much as you can do because you're going to give up yards and you're going to give up TD's through the air.


The Cowboys defense is catching heat this week. I still like our defense. It stunk in the 2nd half of the against San Diego but with they got a defensive score in the first half and it should've been enough for our offense to keep us in the lead.

 

[CATCH17]

Dallas is depending on these guys:
Hayden - Didn't play in 2012
Selvie - Cut by multiple other teams
Nevis - Cut by two other teams this year
Edgar Jones - Career special teams player
Rayford - 27 year old NFL rookie

When Ware and Selvie were out a significant amount of time in the second half last week, they were replaced by Edgar Jones and 2nd year player Kyle Wilber (4th round pick).

The backup DEs in Seattle are Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and 1st round pick Bruce Irvin.

The Cowboys DL has been really good. Regardless of their past draft and free agency status.

We lost because of our soft coverage and Rivers getting the ball out quick. If you don't play agressive in coverage then you can take ANY D Line out of the game with a quick passing game.

 

[Idgit]

Houston dictated that entire game until they started trying to kill the clock and Schaub made a mistake.

I give the defense about 0 credit for that pick 6. Thats 100% on Matt Schaub.

Defenses in the NFL stink. Just try to slow the opponent down and create turnovers is about as much as you can do because you're going to give up yards and you're going to give up TD's through the air.

The Cowboys defense is catching heat this week. I still like our defense. It stunk in the 2nd half of the against San Diego but with they got a defensive score in the first half and it should've been enough for our offense to keep us in the lead.

Well, that's one interpretation of that second half, I guess.

I agree with you re: our defense. I still like it, too. I don't agree that one half of play is anywhere near enough to keep our offense in the lead. When you get one possession and 7 plays in a third quarter, you're not going to be able to keep much of anything positive going on. We collapsed defensively, and it lost us the game. That doesn't mean the same thing is going to happen from here on out.

 

[BoysFan4ever]

Dallas is depending on these guys:
Hayden - Didn't play in 2012
Selvie - Cut by multiple other teams
Nevis - Cut by two other teams this year
Edgar Jones - Career special teams player
Rayford - 27 year old NFL rookie

When Ware and Selvie were out a significant amount of time in the second half last week, they were replaced by Edgar Jones and 2nd year player Kyle Wilber (4th round pick).

The backup DEs in Seattle are Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett and 1st round pick Bruce Irvin.

They carted off Bennett last week when they played in Houston. I never heard what happened after that.