What Player Don't you Want at 24?

Malhavoc said:
There’s a group here that feel the team should draft Davis to “finally” fill the need of that big run stooping DT. This will surprise some but I think if Davis is there he’s going to get a real look. Davis is really unlike anything we’ve seen. And I think there are people in front offices that think he’s more than just a run stopper. You also start to wonder what a guy like Quinn could do for the player. The combine I think opened some eyes. Because of that I don’t think he has any chance of falling to 24.
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Would you draft Dontari Poe in the 1st with the benefit of hindsight?

Vernon Butler?
 
Hardline said:
Would you take the 6th best DT over that BPA running back?
There is a reason drafting BPA is more successful than reaching for needs.
My way gets you Randy Moss.
Your way gets you Greg Ellis.
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BPA gets you Taco and Jaylon. My way gets you Brockers and Wagner.
 
Hardline said:
Wrong. BPA gets you Brockers and Wagner.
Reaching to fill a need gets you Taco and Jaylon.
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Oh no, you can't deny your strategy. Taco was BPA by a mile. Very well regarded. Don't backtrack, you want to support a severely flawed strategy, you take the good w/ the bad.

I'm for a combo of both, BTW, using only one simple strategy to draft is extremely foolish. And since there's no such thing as BPA anyway, it's not a strategy.
 
kskboys said:
You guys who think we should take a WR in the 1st have been falling for Jerry spew. Just taking someone because you think they might be good w/ no regard for scheme, needs, or anything of that sort is why we remain a team that is .500 or loses in the 1st round of the playoffs. BPA is a ridiculous strategy before round 4, I have no idea how people have fallen so badly in love w/ screaming it. Taco was BPA.
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Taco was a need pick. They came right out and said they picked him over CB because they needed a DE and didnt think they could get one on day 2 and could a CB. They even had a 1st round grade on Dalvin Cook
 
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darthseinfeld said:
Taco was a need pick. They came right out and said they picked him over CB because they needed a DE and didnt think they could get one on day 2 and could a CB
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And he was still BPA. Saw him rated as high as top 10.

You can't pay attention to anything this team says.

Jaylon was also BPA.

Since there's rarely a clearcut BPA, it's simply not a viable draft strategy.
 
To be clear, reaching for need is usually a mistake also, even though it did work out w/ Fredbeard.
 
kskboys said:
And he was still BPA. Saw him rated as high as top 10.

You can't pay attention to anything this team says.

Jaylon was also BPA.

Since there's rarely a clearcut BPA, it's simply not a viable draft strategy.
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He was rated top 10 anywhere after the combine. Around the draft most had him as a fringe first rounder. There is zero legitimate evidence of him being BPA, especially when they came and said they picked him because they needed a DE. They even said they had a player with a 1st round grade on the board which was Dalvin Cook
 
darthseinfeld said:
He was rated top 10 anywhere after the combine. Around the draft most had him as a fringe first rounder. There is zero legitimate evidence of him being BPA, especially when they came and said they picked him because they needed a DE. They even said they had a player with a 1st round grade on the board which was Dalvin Cook
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I just posted a pre-draft assessment. Nfl.com lamce zurlein (a guy well respected on here) had him as a pro bowl talent. 7.0 grade. That isn't a fringe first round assessment
 
stilltheguru said:
I just posted a pre-draft assessment. Nfl.com lamce zurlein (a guy well respected on here) had him as a pro bowl talent. 7.0 grade. That isn't a fringe first round assessment
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And just about everyone else had him going in the late first. One guys grade, no matter how respected, doesnt reset a guys value.

Its moot really. They came right out and said they had higher guys than him and they drafted him because they didnt think they could get a good end later. That admission by them pretty much ends any idea that Charlton was a "BPA" pick. Thats not even remotely accurate
 
stilltheguru said:
I just posted a pre-draft assessment. Nfl.com lamce zurlein (a guy well respected on here) had him as a pro bowl talent. 7.0 grade. That isn't a fringe first round assessment
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BPA in that draft according to them was Dalvin Cook, the only 1st round grade they had left. Knowing what we know now I still don't take Cook
 
kskboys said:
Oh no, you can't deny your strategy. Taco was BPA by a mile. Very well regarded. Don't backtrack, you want to support a severely flawed strategy, you take the good w/ the bad.

I'm for a combo of both, BTW, using only one simple strategy to draft is extremely foolish. And since there's no such thing as BPA anyway, it's not a strategy.
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Wrong. You literally got it backwards. TJ Watt was the BPA and thats who I was screaming from the rooftop to pick. If you think Taco was BPA and very well regarded you are a fool.
Don't ascribe a strawman argument to me and expect me to defend it.
You would reach for a need and add less talented players. If I wanted to fill a need with a less talented player I would at least trade down and add draft capital to get him.
 
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kskboys said:
Oh no, you can't deny your strategy. Taco was BPA by a mile. Very well regarded. Don't backtrack, you want to support a severely flawed strategy, you take the good w/ the bad.

I'm for a combo of both, BTW, using only one simple strategy to draft is extremely foolish. And since there's no such thing as BPA anyway, it's not a strategy.
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Taco was the definition of reaching for need. He was a solid fringe 1st round prospect but after his poor combine performance he never should’ve been considered in the 1st.

BPA probably would’ve been Kevin King or Watt after looking back on that class and how those prospects were rated. Either would’ve been much better picks.
 
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