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He doesn’t look natural though at extending plays. You can see the should I or shouldn’t I do this going through his head and it just has to be instinctive.

If Dak was a better scrambler / runner he would be a much much better player.
I get it! Agree! I think the injury took the instincts away but I still think it can be done! Well really I think it’s the only way. It would be easy for me to say “if he gets injured” so be it…but I’m kind of saying that. The O runs better when he’s the pressure at times. Not sure who can get get that out of him.
 

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Whether any of us like it or not, we are stuck with two things most of us are very tired of:
  1. Jerry Jones as GM (and his cheap son)
  2. Dak Prescott
There are a hundred threads about how and why Dak needs to go. A million more about nearly three decades of Jerry failures and repeated stupid mistakes. Yada, yada, yada. I’m as frustrated as anyone. But folks they’re both going to be back next year. Dak’s here at least two more seasons. Jerry will be the face of this organization until he takes a dirt nap.

So what could be done if we’re stuck with both? Essentially it’s the old idea about what to do when you don’t have enough apples to go around. You make applesauce.

The two ideas I believe this team desperately need are centered around finding new voices in both the front office and in the ear of Dak Prescott.

IDEA #1

  • HIRE A NEW FRONT OFFICE ADVISOR (An Assistant GM) I know Jerry will never step aside, but what if he hired an advisor? A shadow GM. A guy who could whisper to Jerry and Stephen a modern blueprint for this organization to follow to build a winner.
    • JJ and SJ simply play fantasy football. They don’t get it. The only thing separating us from disaster is Will McClay. He is a great talent evaluator but he doesn’t get to sign FAs. Maybe Will McClay could be that guy who modernizes this FO to become more aggressive In FA. Or someone else.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need some new talent and a voice in the front office. WE LOST THE SF GAME THIS PAST OFFSEASON. The way we do things DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED NEW DIRECTION.
IDEA #2
  • HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QBs COACH: Hire a new OC. Someone who can coach Dak back to who he really is. A good but not great QB who is definitely not transcendent. He will never ever be a gunslinger who carries a team. He needs help. And good coaching. Kellen Moore ain’t that guy.
    • I believe Dak IS someone you can win multiple playoff games with, but in the mold of someone like Mark Rypien, Phil Simms or Jim Plunkett. Good enough but not transcendent. Dak must be surrounded by a good OL and a strong running game that keeps the defense honest. And get back to being a guy he was early in his career- careful with the ball.
    • Also, Dak has forgotten who he really is as a QB. He stopped being that careful QB he was when he came into the league and started believing he was a gunslinger, which he clearly is not. In his rookie year, Dak only threw 4 picks in 16 games.
    • In this current era of pro football where the passing game has become the coin of the realm, many of our fans have been lulled into thinking only a top shelf gunslinger, who can carry a team on his arm is capable of winning SBs. But guys like that- Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers…maybe a couple more…are really one in a million. Dak clearly is not one of those guys.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need a new offense and OC. And more offensive weapons besides Pollard and Lamb.
ADDITIONAL IDEA:
  • Draft a QB every other year to always have a young guy not just as a backup but someone who could possibly be the next starter.
    • Look at what SF did this year-drafting Brock Purdy when they already had Trey Lance as their future and Jimmy G as insurance. It was a wise move we never make.
Finally- we need to have an aggressive off-season. It’s great to have good drafts but in today’s NFL, it‘s not enough. If we go into this off-season with the same approach we’ve had the last several years, don’t expect different results.



We will NOT BE AGGRESSIVE as that's how you don't build a team lol he will reference the rams and how they didn't have success this season. But will forget to mention Philly
 

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I understand those points. But the harsh reality is Dak cannot realistically be traded with his contract as it is. Cutting him would cripple the team’s ability to put together a competitive roster because of the huge cap hit and dead money.

Which is why IMO those “cut or trade” ideas just aren’t going to happen. And why I believe the only realistic option is to get a new OC who can revamp Dak back into a QB that can drive this bus and take care of the ball. Which means he needs more weapons around him. Don’t get me wrong- Dak deserves all the criticism he’s getting. But he ain’t going anywhere.

Besides- Brock Purdy wasn’t all World last Sunday but he had way more weapons to work with and took care of the ball. We had much fewer weapons and a QB who threw the ball around like a fraternity flag football game QB.

We have to find a new OC that can maximize what Dak is. Gunslinger he isn’t. Effective Bus driver he can be.
KM needs to be gone. He just can't keep his fingers off the Wheel of Fortune game plan and the attempts to make Dak a pocket passer, especially against the wrong teams. Good God Almighty, things have to be damn near perfect for Dak to succeed.
 

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.....aint going to happen, Bullet. For my taking since those 2 are instilled.

I would rid of KM. Start there. Get fresh mind for offense. New outlooks.
 

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Whether any of us like it or not, we are stuck with two things most of us are very tired of:
  1. Jerry Jones as GM (and his cheap son)
  2. Dak Prescott
There are a hundred threads about how and why Dak needs to go. A million more about nearly three decades of Jerry failures and repeated stupid mistakes. Yada, yada, yada. I’m as frustrated as anyone. But folks they’re both going to be back next year. Dak’s here at least two more seasons. Jerry will be the face of this organization until he takes a dirt nap.

So what could be done if we’re stuck with both? Essentially it’s the old idea about what to do when you don’t have enough apples to go around. You make applesauce.

The two ideas I believe this team desperately need are centered around finding new voices in both the front office and in the ear of Dak Prescott.

IDEA #1

  • HIRE A NEW FRONT OFFICE ADVISOR (An Assistant GM) I know Jerry will never step aside, but what if he hired an advisor? A shadow GM. A guy who could whisper to Jerry and Stephen a modern blueprint for this organization to follow to build a winner.
    • JJ and SJ simply play fantasy football. They don’t get it. The only thing separating us from disaster is Will McClay. He is a great talent evaluator but he doesn’t get to sign FAs. Maybe Will McClay could be that guy who modernizes this FO to become more aggressive In FA. Or someone else.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need some new talent and a voice in the front office. WE LOST THE SF GAME THIS PAST OFFSEASON. The way we do things DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED NEW DIRECTION.
IDEA #2
  • HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QBs COACH: Hire a new OC. Someone who can coach Dak back to who he really is. A good but not great QB who is definitely not transcendent. He will never ever be a gunslinger who carries a team. He needs help. And good coaching. Kellen Moore ain’t that guy.
    • I believe Dak IS someone you can win multiple playoff games with, but in the mold of someone like Mark Rypien, Phil Simms or Jim Plunkett. Good enough but not transcendent. Dak must be surrounded by a good OL and a strong running game that keeps the defense honest. And get back to being a guy he was early in his career- careful with the ball.
    • Also, Dak has forgotten who he really is as a QB. He stopped being that careful QB he was when he came into the league and started believing he was a gunslinger, which he clearly is not. In his rookie year, Dak only threw 4 picks in 16 games.
    • In this current era of pro football where the passing game has become the coin of the realm, many of our fans have been lulled into thinking only a top shelf gunslinger, who can carry a team on his arm is capable of winning SBs. But guys like that- Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers…maybe a couple more…are really one in a million. Dak clearly is not one of those guys.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need a new offense and OC. And more offensive weapons besides Pollard and Lamb.
ADDITIONAL IDEA:
  • Draft a QB every other year to always have a young guy not just as a backup but someone who could possibly be the next starter.
    • Look at what SF did this year-drafting Brock Purdy when they already had Trey Lance as their future and Jimmy G as insurance. It was a wise move we never make.
Finally- we need to have an aggressive off-season. It’s great to have good drafts but in today’s NFL, it‘s not enough. If we go into this off-season with the same approach we’ve had the last several years, don’t expect different results.
Your overreaction to yet another season of not getting to the Super Bowl is ridiculous. Jerry Jones is not the reason the Cowboy's season is over. Being "stuck" with him(and his family) is something I am thankful for. On the other hand, Dak is a big reason the Cowboy's season is over. We now have undisputable evidence he is too inconsistent to make a long run into the playoffs. We are not "stuck" with him. He has a contract with an approaching expiration date. It's time to draft and groom Dak's replacement. We don't need to change our approach to the offseason. That's not what got us ejected from the playoffs.
 

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The difference can be seen on teams like SF and, unfortunately the Eagles. Or the Rams. Don't focus on your QB if you weren't lucky enough to draft a Brady or Mahomes. Focus on the positions around him and if he doesn't agree to your teams come contract extension say good bye. Cowboys thought they had the next Goat or something and at the very same time made the mistake of not resigning him early. So in the end we got the worst of both worlds. A bad deal and a "not top 5“ QB. An injury prone O line and declining RB sealed the deal for the next years.

Now someone might think that's easy to say in hindsight, but Jerry got played by both Dak and Zeke. He lost twice and the whole organization has to pay the price now.

As I said in another thread: make it clear to Dak that you're parting ways after his contract is up, draft high for QBs and prepare for the time after. Trade Zeke now (even for nothing or pennies), don't resign Schultz, trade DLaw and out this whole team into rebuild mode. If you can't afford signing guys like Micah once the time comes trade them for many more picks. But you will be able to afford Micah, because... no QB's eating up your cap anymore.

Oh, and sign a true GM and step the F back Jerry. Enjoy your retirement and you're probably see another SB before you go.
yeah, that's not a reasonable football solution if you ever want to win games. I will say this front office does a crap job of giving players whatever they want, but in the case of a QB, it's ridiculous how hard it is to land a QB.
They just do a bad job at QB evaluation.
 

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What to do? Prepare yourself for more early playoff exits. We've been around the coaching carousel, the qb carousel, the coordinator carousel. Jerry Jones isn't going to hire the kind of staff that will win a Superbowl.

What you have to do is stop buying cowboys merchandise and stadium tickets. Make them feel it in their pocket. We know it's not going to happen and the merchandise will fly off the shelves and the stadium will be filled to capacity, so let's just prepare to have this same discussion next time this year and all the years after that.

I'd like to know one organization that was won a Superbowl with an owner GM
 

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yeah, that's not a reasonable football solution if you ever want to win games. I will say this front office does a crap job of giving players whatever they want, but in the case of a QB, it's ridiculous how hard it is to land a QB.
They just do a bad job at QB evaluation.
SF is proving you wrong. Philly has proven you wrong when they won their SB. Many other examples too.

I'm not saying it's the best way to go. A competent QB makes everything easier. But if you can't find one... try something else.
 

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Your overreaction to yet another season of not getting to the Super Bowl is ridiculous. Jerry Jones is not the reason the Cowboy's season is over. Being "stuck" with him(and his family) is something I am thankful for. On the other hand, Dak is a big reason the Cowboy's season is over. We now have undisputable evidence he is too inconsistent to make a long run into the playoffs. We are not "stuck" with him. He has a contract with an approaching expiration date. It's time to draft and groom Dak's replacement. We don't need to change our approach to the offseason. That's not what got us ejected from the playoffs.
lol, Jerry isn't the reason? 28 years of evidence isn't enough?

If Dak was the real problem, guess what an actual GM would do? Get rid of him... sort of like how the Eagles got rid of Wentz. If the coaching staff sucks, guess what would happen. The coaching staff would be gone. Now, it looks like McCarthy/Kellen Moore might be mini Garrett 2.0 to where we're stuck with them for the next 5 years minimum
 

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lol, Jerry isn't the reason? 28 years of evidence isn't enough?

If Dak was the real problem, guess what an actual GM would do? Get rid of him... sort of like how the Eagles got rid of Wentz. If the coaching staff sucks, guess what would happen. The coaching staff would be gone. Now, it looks like McCarthy/Kellen Moore might be mini Garrett 2.0 to where we're stuck with them for the next 5 years minimum
Thinking like yours is responsible for the 27 years of no Super Bowls. Pointing the finger at the wrong things will always perpetuate failure.
 

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Whether any of us like it or not, we are stuck with two things most of us are very tired of:
  1. Jerry Jones as GM (and his cheap son)
  2. Dak Prescott
There are a hundred threads about how and why Dak needs to go. A million more about nearly three decades of Jerry failures and repeated stupid mistakes. Yada, yada, yada. I’m as frustrated as anyone. But folks they’re both going to be back next year. Dak’s here at least two more seasons. Jerry will be the face of this organization until he takes a dirt nap.

So what could be done if we’re stuck with both? Essentially it’s the old idea about what to do when you don’t have enough apples to go around. You make applesauce.

The two ideas I believe this team desperately need are centered around finding new voices in both the front office and in the ear of Dak Prescott.

IDEA #1

  • HIRE A NEW FRONT OFFICE ADVISOR (An Assistant GM) I know Jerry will never step aside, but what if he hired an advisor? A shadow GM. A guy who could whisper to Jerry and Stephen a modern blueprint for this organization to follow to build a winner.
    • JJ and SJ simply play fantasy football. They don’t get it. The only thing separating us from disaster is Will McClay. He is a great talent evaluator but he doesn’t get to sign FAs. Maybe Will McClay could be that guy who modernizes this FO to become more aggressive In FA. Or someone else.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need some new talent and a voice in the front office. WE LOST THE SF GAME THIS PAST OFFSEASON. The way we do things DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED NEW DIRECTION.
IDEA #2
  • HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QBs COACH: Hire a new OC. Someone who can coach Dak back to who he really is. A good but not great QB who is definitely not transcendent. He will never ever be a gunslinger who carries a team. He needs help. And good coaching. Kellen Moore ain’t that guy.
    • I believe Dak IS someone you can win multiple playoff games with, but in the mold of someone like Mark Rypien, Phil Simms or Jim Plunkett. Good enough but not transcendent. Dak must be surrounded by a good OL and a strong running game that keeps the defense honest. And get back to being a guy he was early in his career- careful with the ball.
    • Also, Dak has forgotten who he really is as a QB. He stopped being that careful QB he was when he came into the league and started believing he was a gunslinger, which he clearly is not. In his rookie year, Dak only threw 4 picks in 16 games.
    • In this current era of pro football where the passing game has become the coin of the realm, many of our fans have been lulled into thinking only a top shelf gunslinger, who can carry a team on his arm is capable of winning SBs. But guys like that- Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers…maybe a couple more…are really one in a million. Dak clearly is not one of those guys.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need a new offense and OC. And more offensive weapons besides Pollard and Lamb.
ADDITIONAL IDEA:
  • Draft a QB every other year to always have a young guy not just as a backup but someone who could possibly be the next starter.
    • Look at what SF did this year-drafting Brock Purdy when they already had Trey Lance as their future and Jimmy G as insurance. It was a wise move we never make.
Finally- we need to have an aggressive off-season. It’s great to have good drafts but in today’s NFL, it‘s not enough. If we go into this off-season with the same approach we’ve had the last several years, don’t expect different results.
Always great/realistic thought behind your posts. I don't believe idea #1 will ever happen as long as the Jones name is associated with the DC. Idea #2 would be a step in the right direction, but JJ seems to hate competition from within in order to eliminate any starter questions or conflict among the team.
At this point my hope is that the DC lose out with top 5 draft picks in the next 2 or 3 years. By then JJ will hopefully be replaced by his son and with the losing, hopefully his son will have so much media and fan pressure, he'll hire a real GM and take a step back from the team as a true owner would.
That to me is the only (long term) step for this franchise to get back to a championship caliber organization.
 

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Whether any of us like it or not, we are stuck with two things most of us are very tired of:
  1. Jerry Jones as GM (and his cheap son)
  2. Dak Prescott
There are a hundred threads about how and why Dak needs to go. A million more about nearly three decades of Jerry failures and repeated stupid mistakes. Yada, yada, yada. I’m as frustrated as anyone. But folks they’re both going to be back next year. Dak’s here at least two more seasons. Jerry will be the face of this organization until he takes a dirt nap.

So what could be done if we’re stuck with both? Essentially it’s the old idea about what to do when you don’t have enough apples to go around. You make applesauce.

The two ideas I believe this team desperately need are centered around finding new voices in both the front office and in the ear of Dak Prescott.

IDEA #1

  • HIRE A NEW FRONT OFFICE ADVISOR (An Assistant GM) I know Jerry will never step aside, but what if he hired an advisor? A shadow GM. A guy who could whisper to Jerry and Stephen a modern blueprint for this organization to follow to build a winner.
    • JJ and SJ simply play fantasy football. They don’t get it. The only thing separating us from disaster is Will McClay. He is a great talent evaluator but he doesn’t get to sign FAs. Maybe Will McClay could be that guy who modernizes this FO to become more aggressive In FA. Or someone else.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need some new talent and a voice in the front office. WE LOST THE SF GAME THIS PAST OFFSEASON. The way we do things DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED NEW DIRECTION.
IDEA #2
  • HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QBs COACH: Hire a new OC. Someone who can coach Dak back to who he really is. A good but not great QB who is definitely not transcendent. He will never ever be a gunslinger who carries a team. He needs help. And good coaching. Kellen Moore ain’t that guy.
    • I believe Dak IS someone you can win multiple playoff games with, but in the mold of someone like Mark Rypien, Phil Simms or Jim Plunkett. Good enough but not transcendent. Dak must be surrounded by a good OL and a strong running game that keeps the defense honest. And get back to being a guy he was early in his career- careful with the ball.
    • Also, Dak has forgotten who he really is as a QB. He stopped being that careful QB he was when he came into the league and started believing he was a gunslinger, which he clearly is not. In his rookie year, Dak only threw 4 picks in 16 games.
    • In this current era of pro football where the passing game has become the coin of the realm, many of our fans have been lulled into thinking only a top shelf gunslinger, who can carry a team on his arm is capable of winning SBs. But guys like that- Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers…maybe a couple more…are really one in a million. Dak clearly is not one of those guys.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need a new offense and OC. And more offensive weapons besides Pollard and Lamb.
ADDITIONAL IDEA:
  • Draft a QB every other year to always have a young guy not just as a backup but someone who could possibly be the next starter.
    • Look at what SF did this year-drafting Brock Purdy when they already had Trey Lance as their future and Jimmy G as insurance. It was a wise move we never make.
Finally- we need to have an aggressive off-season. It’s great to have good drafts but in today’s NFL, it‘s not enough. If we go into this off-season with the same approach we’ve had the last several years, don’t expect different results.
@Bobhaze I think we have the first one. This one isn’t on Jerry. It’s not on the coaches. It’s not on Dak. Will McClay is the de facto GM. Jerry talks and sells snake oil, but that’s about it.

I think Stephen’s method of accounting in the use of the cap is problematic, for sure. The practical use of the cap is also an issue. Why pay Schultz $10m per on the tag? You could sign a couple of players like Kearse for the cap that Schultz used this past year.

Dak is the problem. You can stack the team around him but then you end up with no defense. We have tried that formula. It doesn’t work.

Dak just can’t process the game or see the field. He locks on to one receiver, telegraphs his passes, and then throws into triple coverage. I don’t know what OC is going to solve that.

I think the best way to win with Dak is to eliminate Dak from the equation. No, we probably can’t trade him, but we can run the ball and take the decision making out of his hands. That would take: a really strong OL, a good stable of RBs and a running game coordinator (we don’t have one in Kellen).

I would look to do the following:

1. Trade Diggs for a first round pick and a player or a 3rd round pick. We should not pay him.
2. Trade Tyron. Get salvage value out of the player’s contract and a pick and save cap.
3. Cut Zeke outright (June 1).
4. Let Pollard walk in free agency. Get a comp pick for his services. If we can get Pollard for less than $5m per then he can stay.
5. Sign McGovern as cheap insurance. If he won’t sign cheap then let him walk.
6. Spend money on Payne if he hits the market. Sign him.
7. Keep Armstrong.
8. Trade Tank get a pick and save cap.
9. Resign LVE on the cheap.
10. Re-sign Wilson and Kearse to reasonable contracts.
11. I would also look to flip Z. Martin for 1 first and a player or a pick.

That leaves you with the following:

DT is shored up with Payne. Keep Hankins and sign another run stuffer or get one late in the draft. Run stuffing specialist fall in the draft.

If you were able to trade Diggs and Tyron (and I think you can) you should end up with 1 first and a pick or player for Diggs. You replace Diggs with a first round pick. You keep your cap healthy. You eliminate the business decisions. The player that you receive fills a hole at another position or you use the draft pick to fill another hole. That player or pick needs to be a 3rd round comp pick or higher value.

If you can get a second round pick for Tyron, that’s gold. A third is less valuable but it’s still a positive trade overall. You use that pick to trade up in a target move, or fill a hole with it.

If the above happens you will need from the draft or FA the following:

1. Replacement for diggs
2. Swing OT (Tyron)
3. Replacement for Tank
4. Linebacker
5. 2 RBs
6. OG
7. Center

If it were me I would be looking to replace Biadasz as OC. If you are going to dominate you will need an impact center. Trade Biadasz to a team that needs a center for salvage value pick (4th-6th).

Your OL looks like this:

LT- Smith
LG (replacement) McGovern/Farniok as backup
C. (Replacement) McGovern/Farniok
RG. Martin (I would replace him too for the right compensation)
RT. Steele (backup new swing tackle).

Ideally, you could trade Diggs for a player like Creed Humphrey and a 2nd round pick due to the positional value of Diggs. Digg’s value in a trade depends on how you value Diggs obviously.
 

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Whether any of us like it or not, we are stuck with two things most of us are very tired of:
  1. Jerry Jones as GM (and his cheap son)
  2. Dak Prescott
There are a hundred threads about how and why Dak needs to go. A million more about nearly three decades of Jerry failures and repeated stupid mistakes. Yada, yada, yada. I’m as frustrated as anyone. But folks they’re both going to be back next year. Dak’s here at least two more seasons. Jerry will be the face of this organization until he takes a dirt nap.

So what could be done if we’re stuck with both? Essentially it’s the old idea about what to do when you don’t have enough apples to go around. You make applesauce.

The two ideas I believe this team desperately need are centered around finding new voices in both the front office and in the ear of Dak Prescott.

IDEA #1

  • HIRE A NEW FRONT OFFICE ADVISOR (An Assistant GM) I know Jerry will never step aside, but what if he hired an advisor? A shadow GM. A guy who could whisper to Jerry and Stephen a modern blueprint for this organization to follow to build a winner.
    • JJ and SJ simply play fantasy football. They don’t get it. The only thing separating us from disaster is Will McClay. He is a great talent evaluator but he doesn’t get to sign FAs. Maybe Will McClay could be that guy who modernizes this FO to become more aggressive In FA. Or someone else.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need some new talent and a voice in the front office. WE LOST THE SF GAME THIS PAST OFFSEASON. The way we do things DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED NEW DIRECTION.
IDEA #2
  • HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QBs COACH: Hire a new OC. Someone who can coach Dak back to who he really is. A good but not great QB who is definitely not transcendent. He will never ever be a gunslinger who carries a team. He needs help. And good coaching. Kellen Moore ain’t that guy.
    • I believe Dak IS someone you can win multiple playoff games with, but in the mold of someone like Mark Rypien, Phil Simms or Jim Plunkett. Good enough but not transcendent. Dak must be surrounded by a good OL and a strong running game that keeps the defense honest. And get back to being a guy he was early in his career- careful with the ball.
    • Also, Dak has forgotten who he really is as a QB. He stopped being that careful QB he was when he came into the league and started believing he was a gunslinger, which he clearly is not. In his rookie year, Dak only threw 4 picks in 16 games.
    • In this current era of pro football where the passing game has become the coin of the realm, many of our fans have been lulled into thinking only a top shelf gunslinger, who can carry a team on his arm is capable of winning SBs. But guys like that- Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers…maybe a couple more…are really one in a million. Dak clearly is not one of those guys.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need a new offense and OC. And more offensive weapons besides Pollard and Lamb.
ADDITIONAL IDEA:
  • Draft a QB every other year to always have a young guy not just as a backup but someone who could possibly be the next starter.
    • Look at what SF did this year-drafting Brock Purdy when they already had Trey Lance as their future and Jimmy G as insurance. It was a wise move we never make.
Finally- we need to have an aggressive off-season. It’s great to have good drafts but in today’s NFL, it‘s not enough. If we go into this off-season with the same approach we’ve had the last several years, don’t expect different results.
Bench Him until He begs to leave
 

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Whether any of us like it or not, we are stuck with two things most of us are very tired of:
  1. Jerry Jones as GM (and his cheap son)
  2. Dak Prescott
There are a hundred threads about how and why Dak needs to go. A million more about nearly three decades of Jerry failures and repeated stupid mistakes. Yada, yada, yada. I’m as frustrated as anyone. But folks they’re both going to be back next year. Dak’s here at least two more seasons. Jerry will be the face of this organization until he takes a dirt nap.

So what could be done if we’re stuck with both? Essentially it’s the old idea about what to do when you don’t have enough apples to go around. You make applesauce.

The two ideas I believe this team desperately need are centered around finding new voices in both the front office and in the ear of Dak Prescott.

IDEA #1

  • HIRE A NEW FRONT OFFICE ADVISOR (An Assistant GM) I know Jerry will never step aside, but what if he hired an advisor? A shadow GM. A guy who could whisper to Jerry and Stephen a modern blueprint for this organization to follow to build a winner.
    • JJ and SJ simply play fantasy football. They don’t get it. The only thing separating us from disaster is Will McClay. He is a great talent evaluator but he doesn’t get to sign FAs. Maybe Will McClay could be that guy who modernizes this FO to become more aggressive In FA. Or someone else.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need some new talent and a voice in the front office. WE LOST THE SF GAME THIS PAST OFFSEASON. The way we do things DOES NOT WORK. WE NEED NEW DIRECTION.
IDEA #2
  • HIRE A NEW OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR/QBs COACH: Hire a new OC. Someone who can coach Dak back to who he really is. A good but not great QB who is definitely not transcendent. He will never ever be a gunslinger who carries a team. He needs help. And good coaching. Kellen Moore ain’t that guy.
    • I believe Dak IS someone you can win multiple playoff games with, but in the mold of someone like Mark Rypien, Phil Simms or Jim Plunkett. Good enough but not transcendent. Dak must be surrounded by a good OL and a strong running game that keeps the defense honest. And get back to being a guy he was early in his career- careful with the ball.
    • Also, Dak has forgotten who he really is as a QB. He stopped being that careful QB he was when he came into the league and started believing he was a gunslinger, which he clearly is not. In his rookie year, Dak only threw 4 picks in 16 games.
    • In this current era of pro football where the passing game has become the coin of the realm, many of our fans have been lulled into thinking only a top shelf gunslinger, who can carry a team on his arm is capable of winning SBs. But guys like that- Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers…maybe a couple more…are really one in a million. Dak clearly is not one of those guys.
    • BOTTOM LINE: We need a new offense and OC. And more offensive weapons besides Pollard and Lamb.
ADDITIONAL IDEA:
  • Draft a QB every other year to always have a young guy not just as a backup but someone who could possibly be the next starter.
    • Look at what SF did this year-drafting Brock Purdy when they already had Trey Lance as their future and Jimmy G as insurance. It was a wise move we never make.
Finally- we need to have an aggressive off-season. It’s great to have good drafts but in today’s NFL, it‘s not enough. If we go into this off-season with the same approach we’ve had the last several years, don’t expect different results.
Excellent as always Bob.
I just started a thread about Moore.
I think that Jerry believes he is the next boy wonder and HC in waiting and will not let him go.
Just like Garrett.
Hope I am wrong.
 

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It's easy. Take Dak aside and tell him: "Your time is over around here. But due to my own mistake of agreeing to a no trade clause we're stuck with each other for two more years.

But we're both professionals. We of course will continue to try to keep the team around you as good as possible. So you play your hearts out the next two seasons for a great contract elsewhere. At the same time we will draft QBs high during the next two off seasons and develop whoever we get.

Your buddy Zeke is gone though, sorry."
OK, we just found our Vice GM.

Don't know how much we can pay you but please just do it for the fan base for God sake.
 

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The big picture problem in all this isn’t about Dak’s talent level or how much he’s being paid, etc. The biggest problem is having a GM and son who do not understand how to build a championship roster in the cap era.

Dak, Zeke, and whoever else you want to list as players in this current era are pawns in a much bigger game. In the modern NFL era, teams winning SBs or getting close have owners who hire super smart GMs like the rams Les Snead, Brett Veach of the chiefs, the 49ers John Lynch, Jason Licht of the Bucs and (hate to say it) Howie Roseman of the eagles.

All these guys are aggressive in the off season and have plans that impact the here and now. When Stephen Jones says “We have to think about the cap hit”, these guys say “hold my beer”.

Having a front office who doesn’t understand the modern NFL is our BIGGEST problem. Dak Prescott is a temporary problem. The Jones problem is forever!
Great post.
 

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OK, we just found our Vice GM.

Don't know how much we can pay you but please just do it for the fan base for God sake.
Haha, oh the sarcasm. :laugh:

But I stand by what I wrote. It's time for our GM to talk business with Dak. This is a professional world, no hearts to brake. Just be honest with him. We all expected more, things didn't turn out the way they should have. Time to move on. Just not behind Dak's back, transparency is king.
 

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Haha, oh the sarcasm. :laugh:

But I stand by what I wrote. It's time for our GM to talk business with Dak. This is a professional world, no hearts to brake. Just be honest with him. We all expected more, things didn't turn out the way they should have. Time to move on. Just not behind Dak's back, transparency is king.
Haha! No, seriously. That's the sentiment that needs to be expressed to Dak. The Vice GM should have your upfront qualities in this regard. They need a GM and it isn't Will McClay. Eventhough I like McClay a lot. A new GM might not want him though. MM may have not wanted KM. You hire a guy to do his thing and let him. He doesn't show results you pop him.

If Howie Roseman doesn't show a plan and then the progress after letting Doug Pederson go within 3 season's do you think Jeff Lurie keeps him as GM? Although he's clearly one of the best, Lurie would not. Hey Pederson got Jax as far as we got his 1st year as a HC over there. Obviously not a bad coach, a SB winning coach. He got the boot.

It's too much country club over here. They're making money and are always the show on TV regardless. Maybe they believe they need to continue doing it this way to expand their wealth. Insane to us, but our insanity/fanity is their wealth.
 
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I understand those points. But the harsh reality is Dak cannot realistically be traded with his contract as it is. Cutting him would cripple the team’s ability to put together a competitive roster because of the huge cap hit and dead money.

Which is why IMO those “cut or trade” ideas just aren’t going to happen. And why I believe the only realistic option is to get a new OC who can revamp Dak back into a QB that can drive this bus and take care of the ball. Which means he needs more weapons around him. Don’t get me wrong- Dak deserves all the criticism he’s getting. But he ain’t going anywhere.

Besides- Brock Purdy wasn’t all World last Sunday but he had way more weapons to work with and took care of the ball. We had much fewer weapons and a QB who threw the ball around like a fraternity flag football game QB.

We have to find a new OC that can maximize what Dak is. Gunslinger he isn’t. Effective Bus driver he can be.
That’s all fine as long as our owner doesn’t want Dak to be that gunslinger . For multiple reasons . One to prove he was right about paying Dak elite money . And it enables him to hype Dak. Which isn’t too difficult for our fanbase after 12 win playoff seasons .

The ole fool can sell 8-8 like nobody. I’d bet he can certainly hype 12 win playoff seasons . Not to everyone but to most casual fans .

If this is the core issue and Moore has been kept here to help create an offense that features Dak throwing the ball because Jethro wants to prove he didn’t over pay , then our problem runs much deeper.

But I’d agree we need more surrounding talent which can be had in the draft and or possibly FA with a RB and receiving corps while continuing to shore up defense .
 
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