What would a so called "win now" mock draft look like?

[baltcowboy]

Think that might be the area to address corner, 3rd round might be too late.

The problem with cornerback is the guy will be sitting the bench next season unless injury. It appears they love Lewis as the third cornerback and Bland as the jack of all trades 4th guy. You also have Isreal who came into his own as a dime cornerback. I am not sure if one of the top 3 cornerbacks dropped to 26 if the Cowboys would draft them. I know you going to say the corners are on one year contract but that is the point. The Cowboys are all in. I think they expect all of their picks in the first 4 rounds to play. The Cowboys don’t go to the Super Bowl heads roll.

 

[baltcowboy]

I’m thinking a guard like Avila would be part of a trade down scenario. I think 26 is too high, but top of round 2 with some draft compensation seems about right.

Trade down is best case scenario to get an extra 3rd but there is no way the Cowboys will give up the 5th year option unless you give them an extra 1 for 24. I could see the Saints, Eagles and Bills liking a cornerback in that range so maybe they want to give us a three for the player.

 

[cnuball21]

The problem with cornerback is the guy will be sitting the bench next season unless injury. It appears they love Lewis as the third cornerback and Bland as the jack of all trades 4th guy. You also have Isreal who came into his own as a dime cornerback. I am not sure if one of the top 3 cornerbacks dropped to 26 if the Cowboys would draft them. I know you going to say the corners are on one year contract but that is the point. The Cowboys are all in. I think they expect all of their picks in the first 4 rounds to play. The Cowboys don’t go to the Super Bowl heads roll.

No he wouldn’t. AB and JLew combined for about 1000 snaps so we can assume Gilmore takes those. Bland had 596 so we’ll leave his as the slot CB.

Here’s the remaining breakdown from last year:

KJ - 166
Wright - 128
Izzy - 153

That’s around 450 snaps this rookie could eat into not to mention snaps to give Diggs / Gilmore a breather.

 

[baltcowboy]

No he wouldn’t. AB and JLew combined for about 1000 snaps so we can assume Gilmore takes those. Bland had 596 so we’ll leave his as the slot CB.

Here’s the remaining breakdown from last year:

KJ - 166
Wright - 128
Izzy - 153

That’s around 450 snaps this rookie could eat into not to mention snaps to give Diggs / Gilmore a breather.

The rookie wouldn’t even be activated if everyone is healthy. KJ and CJ are the special teams.Wright was never activated until the injuries. Isreal is the safety/cornerback. Lewis is the nickel. Bland is the 4th cornerback.You know the three safeties are playing. There not activating 10 cornerbacks on game day.

 

[gimmesix]

Drafting a corner is still high priority for me, don't want to be in a situation again like the end of last yr. One injury away and we are relying on a 33 yr old corner to stay healthy. Drafting a corner in the top 3 rounds is a must.

Don't agree. You've got your top three (Diggs, Gilmore, Bland). You've got a veteran backup (Lewis). And you've got two guys you are giving one more year to develop (Joseph, Wright). We even have a corner converted to safety (Mukuamu) who showed he might be a reliable nickel corner. Next year, corner becomes a priority in the first couple of rounds if Joseph continues on the course he's on and craps out. This year, we've got much greater priorities than worrying about corner.

Last year, we lost two of our top three corners, which is hard for any team to overcome and also pretty rare. Losing one to injury, not so much. That's what you have to plan for and that's the depth that we have even without Joseph or Wright developing.

 

[cnuball21]

The rookie wouldn’t even be activated if everyone is healthy. KJ and CJ are the special teams.Wright was never activated until the injuries. Isreal is the safety/cornerback. Lewis is the nickel. Bland is the 4th cornerback.You know the three safeties are playing. There not activating 10 cornerbacks on game day.

There’s no guarantee Lewis is even on the team next year. He could very well be cut.

And you don’t think a 1st round CB is going to be able to steal snaps from the rest of those JAGs? They’ve proven to be mediocre at best. If a 1st round CB falls and is available they’d have a great opportunity to get snaps as a rookie.

 

[Cowboyny]

Don't agree. You've got your top three (Diggs, Gilmore, Bland). You've got a veteran backup (Lewis). And you've got two guys you are giving one more year to develop (Joseph, Wright). We even have a corner converted to safety (Mukuamu) who showed he might be a reliable nickel corner. Next year, corner becomes a priority in the first couple of rounds if Joseph continues on the course he's on and craps out. This year, we've got much greater priorities than worrying about corner.

Last year, we lost two of our top three corners, which is hard for any team to overcome and also pretty rare. Losing one to injury, not so much. That's what you have to plan for and that's the depth that we have even without Joseph or Wright developing.

They have spoken with more corners then any other positional group. Both Joseph/Wright failed when given the opportunity, think at least 1 has a good chance off the roster. Lewis could save the team close to 5 million, don't think he is a roster lock especially coming back from major injury. On top of all this both our starting corners are fa's after the season, they need to draft a future starter or be forced to either pay in the open market or have to draft a day 1 starter.

 

[Cowboyny]

The problem with cornerback is the guy will be sitting the bench next season unless injury. It appears they love Lewis as the third cornerback and Bland as the jack of all trades 4th guy. You also have Isreal who came into his own as a dime cornerback. I am not sure if one of the top 3 cornerbacks dropped to 26 if the Cowboys would draft them. I know you going to say the corners are on one year contract but that is the point. The Cowboys are all in. I think they expect all of their picks in the first 4 rounds to play. The Cowboys don’t go to the Super Bowl heads roll.

I think you have it flipped flopped, they love Bland and Lewis is more of a bridge type player. Clearly Bland's best position is in the slot and they didn't move him to the outside until all other options failed. Both Diggs/Gilmore are fa's after the season, they need to start developing a future starter, where he good get his feet wet in the sub-packages. If they cannot beat out Muku, then it was a failed draft pick.

 

[Cowboyny]

That’s fine if they want to get their type, I’m just saying last years class was better at the top and those guys played lesser than Connor did last year.

Fans tend to overestimate how good rookies will be. Chuma will likely give us what Connor did last year which is average. If we want to develop someone in parallel to that great…would just hate to see it as a reach in the 1st.

I wouldn't count on Chuma being the answer at all, he strictly is a backup type player, not even on the level of a Conner McGovern, more like a Farnoik type. Can he spot start, sure, but he would get exposed if he is forced to start multiple games. There is definitely a future, starter need, the big question is, how big is it for this upcoming yr? Knowing the Cowboys want to run the football, it's an important need.

 

[cnuball21]

I wouldn't count on Chuma being the answer at all, he strictly is a backup type player, not even on the level of a Conner McGovern, more like a Farnoik type. Can he spot start, sure, but he would get exposed if he is forced to start multiple games. There is definitely a future, starter need, the big question is, how big is it for this upcoming yr? Knowing the Cowboys want to run the football, it's an important need.

Well yea, I agree I don’t think he’s the long term answer but he gives you someone capable with NFL starting experience to be the bridge.

The lights won’t be too bright for him like they may be for a rookie.

 

[baltcowboy]

There’s no guarantee Lewis is even on the team next year. He could very well be cut.

And you don’t think a 1st round CB is going to be able to steal snaps from the rest of those JAGs? They’ve proven to be mediocre at best. If a 1st round CB falls and is available they’d have a great opportunity to get snaps as a rookie.

I don’t think the team feels cornerback is a need. On paper we have one of the best secondaries in the league. JAGS and all. I think MM’s job is on the line and he is going to want the Joneses to sure up the offense. I also think Quinn likes the pass rushers better then the corners.

 

[baltcowboy]

I think you have it flipped flopped, they love Bland and Lewis is more of a bridge type player. Clearly Bland's best position is in the slot and they didn't move him to the outside until all other options failed. Both Diggs/Gilmore are fa's after the season, they need to start developing a future starter, where he good get his feet wet in the sub-packages. If they cannot beat out Muku, then it was a failed draft pick.

It doesn’t matter the Cowboys like both Bland and Lewis. They would have cut Lewis by now if they didn’t. That is 4 million cap hip. Bland plays all the corner spots. Both will play. The secondary is top 5 now. 24 is a year away 23 now. Let’s play your game on the offensive line. The Cowboys need to tackle, swing tackle, center and guard in 24 because Steele, Badacz, and Tyron are free agents after this season. What do we need more?

 

[cnuball21]

I don’t think the team feels cornerback is a need. On paper we have one of the best secondaries in the league. JAGS and all. I think MM’s job is on the line and he is going to want the Joneses to sure up the offense. I also think Quinn likes the pass rushers better then the corners.

Agree to disagree…Lewis is coming off injury and you save 4+ million in a cut. If the team likes a CB early and take one it’ll be considered and he’d play.

They’re meeting with CBs left and right so it is being considered.

 

[cnuball21]

It doesn’t matter the Cowboys like both Bland and Lewis. They would have cut Lewis by now if they didn’t. That is 4 million cap hip. Bland plays all the corner spots. Both will play. The secondary is top 5 now. 24 is a year away 23 now. Let’s play your game on the offensive line. The Cowboys need to tackle, swing tackle, center and guard in 24 because Steele, Badacz, and Tyron are free agents after this season. What do we need more?

I would 100% take an OT at 26. It keeps you from paying Steele for 10+ a year and gets you cheap at a money position.

I think you need to look more big picture and longer term in the 1st round.

 

[baltcowboy]

Agree to disagree…Lewis is coming off injury and you save 4+ million in a cut. If the team likes a CB early and take one it’ll be considered and he’d play.

They’re meeting with CBs left and right so it is being considered.

It is being considered. Just like guard, pass rushers, quarterback, running back, linebackers, ect….. you never know who could fall in any round. Lewis is still hurt supposedly. That might have something to do with him being on the team.

 

[4lifecowboy]

Needs in first 3 rounds is OL, DT, and RB in no particular order.

 

[baltcowboy]

I would 100% take an OT at 26. It keeps you from paying Steele for 10+ a year and gets you cheap at a money position.

I think you need to look more big picture and longer term in the 1st round.

I actually agree with you. I want a pass rusher. I just have a feeling with listening to the insiders, coaches, McClay and the Joneses they are going to plug and play with the first 4 rounds. I don’t think they will take chances. No more KJs or Jaylons.

 

[Cowboyny]

It doesn’t matter the Cowboys like both Bland and Lewis. They would have cut Lewis by now if they didn’t. That is 4 million cap hip. Bland plays all the corner spots. Both will play. The secondary is top 5 now. 24 is a year away 23 now. Let’s play your game on the offensive line. The Cowboys need to tackle, swing tackle, center and guard in 24 because Steele, Badacz, and Tyron are free agents after this season. What do we need more?

Maybe they are waiting to see what happens in the draft. They aren't talking to multiple corners, if they aren't taking one.

 

[cnuball21]

I actually agree with you. I want a pass rusher. I just have a feeling with listening to the insiders, coaches, McClay and the Joneses they are going to plug and play with the first 4 rounds. I don’t think they will take chances. No more KJs or Jaylons.

But I mean what position is plug and play?

RB is a backup to Pollard

We don’t know for certain the plan at LG - even if they want to draft someone could be a learning curve and they don’t start (last years 1st round Gs were better than anything in this class and we’re below average last year)

WILL LBr?

TE will get some snaps but if it isn’t Mayer not ready to block

 

[Cowboyny]

Well yea, I agree I don’t think he’s the long term answer but he gives you someone capable with NFL starting experience to be the bridge.

The lights won’t be too bright for him like they may be for a rookie.

As a spot starter fine, but extended starts not so good. Kind of like Farnoik. However, with Tyron's lack of durability, we may need more of a legitimate starter. The #1 Guard is still a fa, they could even go that direction.