What would be your game plans?

[MONT17]

how would u stop the BOYS or score with the Boys... whatever!!! just wanna hear some ideas about game planning!!!


First how I would stop the boys O.


Knowing that Parcells loves to run the ball, control the game, I would play a BASE 4-3 on 1st and 10s. With my OLBs picking up the TEs in coverage and both S in 2 Deep Zone over the top to prevent the quick strike.


with the lost of SEAN PAYTON I would not look at much game film from last year except on GLENN... instead I would look at what BILL did in 04 (WINTTEN & JULES) when he was down by 20+ almost every week! Lots of Draws and field position plays!!!

so on 3rd and medium... I would zone up underneath technique with my Nickle package while sending my LBs up the middle to prevent DRAWS and quick set ups by DREW exposing the middle of the OL!!!

3rd and long... I would not go DIME... I would go some form of nickle with maybe 3 DL 3 LBs. Dlbs on TO and GLENN and my best cover guy after that on Witten or the nickle man up on the 3rd WR.


2cd and short... I would LB Blitz most of the time. these are downs where Parcells like to change the game by taking shots or calculated risks!!! I would love to BLITZ my Safety but I cant afford to give TO or Glenn that opportunity if he doesnt make it!!!


2cd and long... this D & D I try to get momentum... fake a blitz or run a Zone Blitz behind it or set up a stunt or a loop targeting the OTs to give a guy a 1 on 1 advantage!

Goalline... I would not go heavy... I would dare DALLAS to run on me... I will play zone coverage with the hopes my front 4 can beat DALLAS OL or until DREW can prove otherwise.


REDZONE I would play a nickle on 75% of D&D with a DBL on TO but not GLENN (the king of the stutter should be negated in the redzone if my CB is not greedy). Witten would then get the additional focus along with an eye on MB3 if he is in the lineup!!!



gotta run!!! peace... hopefully we can talk some game plans on this thread I would really like to see what u guys think about the BOYS and what they will and wont do this year!!!

 

[Yeagermeister]

Until we prove that our OL is improved I would blitz then blitz again and blitz again. Keep the pressure on Bledsoe.

 

[Apollo Creed]

With Fasano/Witten both being receiving threats, and with the combo of Glenn and TO being great one on one receivers - I don't think defenses are going to be bringing heat as much as they were last year.

Julius on the other hand should love when defenses blitz, because he's most effective on draws and seems to struggle getting past the first wave of defenders.

 

[MONT17]

thats the thing... I can see teams coming in and saying we are going to blitz BLEDSOE but if the OL is as poor as poeple say it is they should be able to put pressure on DREW without BLITZING, right?


Thats why I would play coverage and run blitz alot to force 2cd and 3rd and longs!!!I think Blitz and leaving TO in single coverage is a mistake that will cost 6!!!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yes the O-line needs to be/get better than last year... but with that said we were STILL in position to fare better than the 9-7 so I will skip over the O-line stuff....

All I have to say about the game plan is.....

Whatever we do...
DON'T "McNabb" the gameplan

(ironically enough McNabb= nabbing the ball from TO)....

Its looking more and more like Donovan would rather look for other options(to spread the ball around more ) than throw to the guy who would increase his QB numbers and help the team win.

I am pretty sure we will make him #1 WR option and the #1 gameplan option will be JuJo at RB...

 

[dougonthebench]

1.dont make mental mistakes
2.on offense,move the ball downfield,score often
3.on defense,tackle the guy with the ball,dont let them score.
4.repeat 1 thru 3

 

[Muhast]

Flea flicker then deep to Glenn at least once every other game

 

[ravidubey]

Thats why I would play coverage and run blitz alot to force 2cd and 3rd and longs!!!I think Blitz and leaving TO in single coverage is a mistake that will cost 6!!!

This is the correct approach. For most of the year, Bledsoe had an above 100 rating vs. the blitz-- by itself it does not work. Pressure is more than what the defense brings on one play, it's the pressure of the situation-- forcing a reliance on the passing game to make first downs and putting pressure on the OL to run-block vs. an extra guy.

Of course that's where trap blocks can slam bodies into blitzers and maybe take two down in one shot to spring a big play. If Dallas is on, the offense will be very hard to stop.

 

[jrockster77]

Until we prove that our OL is improved I would blitz then blitz again and blitz again. Keep the pressure on Bledsoe.

Exactly. Make Bledsoe uncomfortable in the pocket, the game is over.

 

[MONT17]

Heres the thing I like about the 06 team... last year u could BLITZ Drew and if he beat it the Boys didnt have someone who could put 6 on you, with TO they will have to respect the WR ability to take it to the house!!!


I'm sorry TERRY GLENN is not that type of WR.... TG is a DBL moves type WR (one of the best) OWENS brings the ability so when teams load up they know they are taking a risk...

as for the SKINs they will BLITZS the BOYS because they cannot stop them unless they do... the skins cant play teams man up and whip them they have to out scheme them!

with the BOYS 2 TE set SEAN TAYLOR will almost have to cover a TE when they play man (behind a blitz), TAYLOR cannot roam where he is most effective getting into lanes he will have to respect the TEs... if the Skins take TAYLOR off the TE look for deep seam/cross to exploit AA's poor cover skills or mismatches on the LB...


if they play mostly ZONE guys like WITTEN and TO will have career days!!!

so yes u are right the Skins will need to blitz almost every play because they wont be able to play coverage... I look for TO to put up career numbers v. the skins based on the style they play! TO will eat up ROGERs and SPRINGs like GUVMINT CHEESE!


the guy that would have made the SKINs is not the 02 ANDRE CARTER but the 02 ADRIAN PETERSON who could shut down a TE and free up STAYLOR... JMHO!!!

 

[jrockster77]

Heres the thing I like about the 06 team... last year u could BLITZ Drew and if he beat it the Boys didnt have someone who could put 6 on you, with TO they will have to respect the WR ability to take it to the house!!!


I'm sorry TERRY GLENN is not that type of WR.... TG is a DBL moves type WR (one of the best) OWENS brings the ability so when teams load up they know they are taking a risk...

as for the SKINs they will BLITZS the BOYS because they cannot stop them unless they do... the skins cant play teams man up and whip them they have to out scheme them!

with the BOYS 2 TE set SEAN TAYLOR will almost have to cover a TE when they play man (behind a blitz), TAYLOR cannot roam where he is most effective getting into lanes he will have to respect the TEs... if the Skins take TAYLOR off the TE look for deep seam/cross to exploit AA's poor cover skills or mismatches on the LB...


if they play mostly ZONE guys like WITTEN and TO will have career days!!!

so yes u are right the Skins will need to blitz almost every play because they wont be able to play coverage... I look for TO to put up career numbers v. the skins based on the style they play! TO will eat up ROGERs and SPRINGs like GUVMINT CHEESE!


the guy that would have made the SKINs is not the 02 ANDRE CARTER but the 02 ADRIAN PETERSON who could shut down a TE and free up STAYLOR... JMHO!!!

Bro....pass me a little of whatever it is you're smoking....

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Bro....pass me a little of whatever it is you're smoking....

Yeah you will need to smoke something because your reality of skins in unrealistic.

 

[MONT17]

heres what I'm smokin... TAYLOR cant cover everyone!!! what will the SKins do besides blitz? thats all they do... granted they do it well but they will pay the price if they think they can live with that again this year!!!


with 2TE sets who does TAYLOR cover? does he cover a TE or give help over the top? If the SKINS plan on blitzing DBLED what type of coverage packages do u expect to see?

Taylor is just 1 man and until SPRINGs and ROGERS can prove they can cover TO and TG 1 on 1 it will be 6.... no more of this 3 yard gain by KEY!!! it will be 6!!!






thats what I'm smokin

 

[AsthmaField]

The thing about the Dallas offense is the two TE's will create a lot of problems. With Witten and Fasano both being adept at catching the ball, if teams open up in a nickel, we can switch to a power running game and eat that scheme up. Fasano and Witten are both pretty good blockers and they can stay in and help open up the running lanes. I think they would be very successful against a nickel package running the ball.

If teams open up with a base 4-3, then we should be able to get Witten down the seam or have Fasano squat in a zone and move the ball that way. The whole time, of course, teams will have to be covering TO and Glenn. They'll probably play Glenn straight up and move a safety over to help on TO. That's going to leave 8 men for the box to stop the run, however, Glenn has shown that if you play him straight up, one-on-one, he can be very, very effective. That would also leave one safety for either Fasano or Witten with a LB on the other. A CB and Safety on TO, a safety on Witten, a CB on Glenn and a LB on Fasano will probably have Bledsoe looking at Glenn and Fasano as his first two reads in the progression. Fasano should have the ability to beat a LB and Glenn can beat one Corner.

If they put a CB and a S on TO, a CB and a S on Glenn then that'll leave a LB each to cover Witten and Fasano. I think you'd see a lot of throws to the two TE's if the defense plays it like that. They have the ability to eat the LB's up.

Now, if the defense opens up in a nickel, like I mentioned earlier, you'd probably have a CB and S on TO, a CB on Glenn then a third Corner on Witten and a S on Fasano. In that case, we'd probably look to either run or try to go to Glenn with his one-on-one coverage. If they roll a S over to help the corner on Glenn, then that puts a LB back on one of the TE's, which would probably be Fasano. Then the first two options would probably be either run or Fasano because of the LB coverage on him.

I don't think a team would open up in a dime against our base, two TE offense, but if they did, we'd run all day long on that and let them cover everyone... of course the TE's wouldn't be going out in a pattern... they'd be staying in and blocking for the RB. I just don't see team's opening up in a Dime though.

The offense should give a lot of teams fits this season. Defenses that will do the best against us, I think, will be defenses that have two things:

1. Good coverage LB's.

and

2. Have a good pass rush with their front 4.

Those teams can open up in their base 4-3. They can let a CB and a S cover TO, a CB and a S cover Glenn and have their two good coverage LB's cover the two TE's. Of course, in their base 4-3, they'll be able to slow down the Dallas running game as well.

The key there is having two OLB's that can both be strong against the run and be good in coverage.

There aren't a lot of teams out there that have that though. The Commanders have Washington, who I think fits that mold. He can cover pretty good and stop the run. However, their other OLB is a big question mark. Holdman, McIntosh, whoever plays that spot will have to be effective against either Witten or Fasano in coverage and effective in shedding their blocks for the running game. If he isn't... it will be a long day for him, because Bledsoe will go back to that well all day long if it's working.

The thing about the Commanders too, is that if they can't generate a decent pass rush with their front four, it could be a long day as well. Unfortunately for them, Torrin Freaking Tucker is in Tampa now and Daniels can't stroll by him on his way to the QB. Can Carter help provide the rush they need? Time will tell.

The bottom line is that our standard two TE package is going to cause a lot of problems for teams. It can be a power running scheme with the two TE's staying in to block at the line, or it can almost be like a 4 WR set in that the two TE's can be split out wide to act almost as WR's, taking a couple of LB's with them. And it can act like any scheme in between. Defenses won't be able to key on personell changes so they're going to have to make a decision on what scheme to play (base 4-3, nickel, etc.) and stick with it.

Do they want to go light and sacrifice some run stopping ability so as to better cover TO, Glenn, Witten and Fasano... or do they play the base to better hold up against Parcells beloved running game at the expense of coverage? Are Witten and Fasano blockers on this play or are they TE's? Are they recievers? Lean too far toward defending pass and Parcells will surely run the ball down your throat. Load up against the run and you'll see some bad mis-matches in the passing game. Want to shut TO down completely? Get ready to hear Witten and Glenn's name called a lot. Don't want to give those two a huge day? Time to wonder what touchdown dance TO has prepared for you. Throw everything you have at those three and Julius Jones and some rookie named Fasano just might ruin your day.

It really is going to be a chess match for defenses this year... and if they don't guess right... it'll be a bad day for them.

 

[superpunk]

Asthmafield, you have got to be by far one of my favorite posters on here. You can get in depth, man.

 

[BigDFan5]

Asthmafield, you have got to be by far one of my favorite posters on here. You can get in depth, man.

Admit it, you didnt read his whole post

 

[superpunk]

Admit it, you didnt read his whole post

I totally did :jerk:

I just had nothing to add. It was as good a review as any of why this offense is (allegedly) going to be so difficult to play against.

 

[Doomsday101]

Until we prove that our OL is improved I would blitz then blitz again and blitz again. Keep the pressure on Bledsoe.

I agree. The biggest question mark on this team is the OL and until Dallas proves they can consistently beat a blitz I expect teams to challenge our OL and come after Bledsoe..

 

[MONT17]

oh thats right the SKINs signed ARCH who will show his great cover skills to shut down Witten!!! even if they free up TAYLOR the skins will still have to figure out a way to cover TO, TG and WINTTEN while blitzing!!!


NO WAY!!!


last year u could blitz the BOYZ at will and the skins did with great success but last year we had WINTTEN blocking and KEY could only get 4 or 5 yards into the pattern with no ability to house it!!!


if u think the SKINS can run that gimmick D this year then u obviously dont understand the NFL!



Now I ask u what are u smokin if u think that all out BLITZ the skins run will last another year in the NFC EAST!!! every other team in the NFC EAST has focused on individuals who can rush the passer... The NFC EAST is about TALENT and when the skins give up on 10 to 12 sack guy because he cant play in a system that BLITZ every other play is beyond me!



now u can flip the ball anytime u want if u think I'm smokin... Im chomppin at the BUD to talk about the skins O v. the Boys D!!!

 

[jrockster77]

Yeah you will need to smoke something because your reality of skins in unrealistic.

Well, seeing as how I haven't said anything about the Skins yet, then I'm not sure how you can call my "reality of skins in unrealistic." What does that even mean???

heres what I'm smokin... TAYLOR cant cover everyone!!! what will the SKins do besides blitz? thats all they do... granted they do it well but they will pay the price if they think they can live with that again this year!!!

with 2TE sets who does TAYLOR cover? does he cover a TE or give help over the top? If the SKINS plan on blitzing DBLED what type of coverage packages do u expect to see?

Taylor is just 1 man and until SPRINGs and ROGERS can prove they can cover TO and TG 1 on 1 it will be 6.... no more of this 3 yard gain by KEY!!! it will be 6!!!

Springs has already shown he can cover TO, and quite effectively. Taylor can't cover everyone, you are correct; however he doesn't need to. Rogers improved significantly over the course of the season, and our nickel corner was a starter last season in the 7th ranked passing defense (Jacksonville). So you're right...Taylor can't cover everyone, but why you would think he had to is beyond me...

As far as blitzing is concerned -- yes, the Skins are very good at it. However, they signed Andre Carter as a pass-rushing specialist. He has some injury concerns, but if he pans out, will consistently put pressure on the QB. Demetric Evans is back as well, and was coming into his own last year as a pass-rusher, grabbing a sack in both playoff games.

But yeah...you're gonna see a lot of blitzing. Arch was brought in specifically to blitz and cover the run, and Marcus is one of the best blitzers in the league. Be afraid.....