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MONT17 said:
oh thats right the SKINs signed ARCH who will show his great cover skills to shut down Witten!!! even if they free up TAYLOR the skins will still have to figure out a way to cover TO, TG and WINTTEN while blitzing!!!

NO WAY!!!

last year u could blitz the BOYZ at will and the skins did with great success but last year we had WINTTEN blocking and KEY could only get 4 or 5 yards into the pattern with no ability to house it!!!

if u think the SKINS can run that gimmick D this year then u obviously dont understand the NFL!

Now I ask u what are u smokin if u think that all out BLITZ the skins run will last another year in the NFC EAST!!! every other team in the NFC EAST has focused on individuals who can rush the passer... The NFC EAST is about TALENT and when the skins give up on 10 to 12 sack guy because he cant play in a system that BLITZ every other play is beyond me!

now u can flip the ball anytime u want if u think I'm smokin... Im chomppin at the BUD to talk about the skins O v. the Boys D!!!


Bro....you do realize there are 14 other games on your schedule, right? Against some very tough defenses. Tampa, Carolina, Atlanta, Indy, Philly (potentially), & New York can all get to the passer without blitzing. Not sure why you're singling out the Skins...
 

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MONT17 said:
oh thats right the SKINs signed ARCH who will show his great cover skills to shut down Witten!!! even if they free up TAYLOR the skins will still have to figure out a way to cover TO, TG and WINTTEN while blitzing!!!


NO WAY!!!


last year u could blitz the BOYZ at will and the skins did with great success but last year we had WINTTEN blocking and KEY could only get 4 or 5 yards into the pattern with no ability to house it!!!


if u think the SKINS can run that gimmick D this year then u obviously dont understand the NFL!



Now I ask u what are u smokin if u think that all out BLITZ the skins run will last another year in the NFC EAST!!! every other team in the NFC EAST has focused on individuals who can rush the passer... The NFC EAST is about TALENT and when the skins give up on 10 to 12 sack guy because he cant play in a system that BLITZ every other play is beyond me!



now u can flip the ball anytime u want if u think I'm smokin... Im chomppin at the BUD to talk about the skins O v. the Boys D!!!

Cowboys offense still has to prove it. When Bill 1st took over he told the OL we need to get to the point where we are begging for the defense to blitz us because there are big plays to be made when you pick it up. However we have yet to show that we can stop teams from blitzing us on any consistant basis. No doubt we have some weapons who can burn a defense if they blitz but 1st things 1st the line must pick it up
 

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jrockster77 said:
Bro....you do realize there are 14 other games on your schedule, right? Against some very tough defenses. Tampa, Carolina, Atlanta, Indy, Philly (potentially), & New York can all get to the passer without blitzing. Not sure why you're singling out the Skins...

It might be because of just what you've said.

The teams you mention have shown they can get to the quarterback without blitzing.

To this point, the Commanders have not.
 

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** -- good analysis. However, its mostly predicated on a much-improved Dallas OLine...which is definitely possible. However, if the OLine has not improved or if Flozell isn't 100% coming off his surgery, you'll again be forced to leave a TE home to pass-protect.

I will miss Torrin Tucker though, that's for sure!! :D


AsthmaField said:
If they put a CB and a S on TO, a CB and a S on Glenn then that'll leave a LB each to cover Witten and Fasano. I think you'd see a lot of throws to the two TE's if the defense plays it like that. They have the ability to eat the LB's up.

You think both Glenn and TO will require double-coverage? TO will draw a double against most teams, but the second option on an offense rarely draws double-coverage. Against the Skins specifically, we were able to single-cover TO effectively when he was in Philthy. Springs and ST were both assigned to him at some point, and he didn't do much.

I don't think a team would open up in a dime against our base, two TE offense, but if they did, we'd run all day long on that and let them cover everyone... of course the TE's wouldn't be going out in a pattern... they'd be staying in and blocking for the RB. I just don't see team's opening up in a Dime though.

I think you're right. ;)

There aren't a lot of teams out there that have that though. The Commanders have Washington, who I think fits that mold. He can cover pretty good and stop the run. However, their other OLB is a big question mark. Holdman, McIntosh, whoever plays that spot will have to be effective against either Witten or Fasano in coverage and effective in shedding their blocks for the running game. If he isn't... it will be a long day for him, because Bledsoe will go back to that well all day long if it's working.

I agree...WLB is definitely a question mark. Will McIntosh play well? Who knows. The thing about Holdman is that last season he was coming off a major knee injury. A lot of times players don't trust their knees at first. He's had an entire season and offseason to recover, and I think he will be better this year. Will he return to his 100+ tackle form he had in Chicago?? Time will only tell.

The thing about the Commanders too, is that if they can't generate a decent pass rush with their front four, it could be a long day as well. Unfortunately for them, Torrin Freaking Tucker is in Tampa now and Daniels can't stroll by him on his way to the QB. Can Carter help provide the rush they need? Time will tell.

Food for thought: the last time Carter was in a great defense and playing DE he had 12.5 sacks. He's been mired in obscurity and playing out of position the past couple years. And let's face it, the 49ers have been abysmal. Also, don't sleep on Demetric Evans. He came on strong at the end of last season, and got a QB sack in both playoff games. I expect him to have a solid year with 8-10 sacks.
 

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stasheroo said:
It might be because of just what you've said.

The teams you mention have shown they can get to the quarterback without blitzing.

To this point, the Commanders have not.

Hey....if it ain't broke, don't fix it! :)

I think we'll see a much-improved Washington pass-rush from the 4 down linemen this season.
 

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jrockster77 said:
Well, seeing as how I haven't said anything about the Skins yet, then I'm not sure how you can call my "reality of skins in unrealistic." What does that even mean??? :confused:

Ok, I am only gonna 'splain dis to u once lucy... as soon as you join cowboyszone your intentions more likely than not are to be troll-like... so with that said you get "your reality of the skins unrealistic"

If you read it slower maybe you will understand what it means - it makes perfect sense... Its actually an ode to "Reality"
 

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heres what I think of ANDRE CARTER... if NOLAN doesnt want to keep him on the worst team in the league, he has a long way to go before I'm worried!!!


Springs "shut down" TO while in a WCO and a heartless McD as his QB!!! BILL doesnt run that WCO dink and dunk BS with no threat of the run or any other options in the pass!


with TO look for WINTTEN to have BEN COATS type #s!!!


but thats what I'm smokin!!!
 

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I think Commander fans will have a rude awakening this year!!!


not only are they putting in a new O... but like in Basketball they do not play above the rim... meaning based on what they did last year most of their successful plays develop behind the line of scrimage... from the counter to the hitch plays they run, with the addition to Randle El who lives behind the line of scrimmage, this O is too passive to succeed in the NFC EAST!


the Skins D is about BLITZING and nothing else!!! why else would anyone give ARCH 10 million? they got away with it last year... The BOYS with OL problems! the GIANTs had a young QB who could not win on the road! the Iggs had their problems with injuries/TO!


not in 06 baby! the BS will not fly in 06!!!



if u cant produce a PASS RUSH without blitzing... u cant win the NFC EAST...


thats what I'm smokin!!!
 

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jrockster77 said:
You think both Glenn and TO will require double-coverage?
They certainly do separately; what teams do against them together is up to the DC's.

jrockster77 said:
TO will draw a double against most teams, but the second option on an offense rarely draws double-coverage.

TO never had a "second option" that was good enough to be a first option. Terry Glenn has proven he is a legit first option.

jrockster77 said:
Against the Skins specifically, we were able to single-cover TO effectively when he was in Philthy. Springs and ST were both assigned to him at some point, and he didn't do much.
Washington never beat the Eagles with TO. Dallas did, BTW.
 

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Asthmafield, you have got to be by far one of my favorite posters on here. You can get in depth, man.

Thanks Bro... I appreciate that. I really do.

I understand that everything I said is "on paper" and has yet to be determined. However, the difficulties this offense will present are substantial and with health, the offense should be easily better than last year, when it was still pretty good.

jrockster77 said:
** -- good analysis. However, its mostly predicated on a much-improved Dallas OLine...which is definitely possible. However, if the OLine has not improved or if Flozell isn't 100% coming off his surgery, you'll again be forced to leave a TE home to pass-protect.

Yeah, the O line is a big thing. I just was assuming it would be okay. Too many variables to bring all of them in.

jrockster77 said:
You think both Glenn and TO will require double-coverage? TO will draw a double against most teams, but the second option on an offense rarely draws double-coverage. Against the Skins specifically, we were able to single-cover TO effectively when he was in Philthy. Springs and ST were both assigned to him at some point, and he didn't do much.

If Glenn is eating up single coverage and teams don't want to leave TO singled then, yeah, I think they both could see some double coverage. Not the entire time of course... but some.

If your team thinks they can single up on TO and Glenn, then more power to them. That might be a risky proposition though.

jrockster77 said:
Food for thought: the last time Carter was in a great defense and playing DE he had 12.5 sacks. He's been mired in obscurity and playing out of position the past couple years. And let's face it, the 49ers have been abysmal. Also, don't sleep on Demetric Evans. He came on strong at the end of last season, and got a QB sack in both playoff games. I expect him to have a solid year with 8-10 sacks.

You know... I've kind of gone back and forth on if I think Carter will do well for Washington or not. He has some ability, although he doesn't have the raw speed of someone like Freeny or the raw power of someone like Strahan. He never struck me as particulary talented though, when he was with SF. When he had his good year with SF, I remember watching him and thinking that it was more a function of other teams being in come from behind mode than Carter just beating his guy. And at that time, of course, I had no idea he'd one day be a Commander, so there wasn't any bias there. My initial reaction was that Carter wouldn't do too much to help Washington.

However, one thing worries me: Gregg Williams. He always tends to get the most out of his athletes. He usually takes guys and they play above what their talent says. He knows people who fit his system and he uses them correctly. Just a great, great defensive coordinator.

I'm still not convinced Carter will pan out for you guys... but I'm certainly not counting him out because of the Williams factor.

Speaking of Williams; It should be very interesting to see what he comes up with to defend our two TE base package. It definately causes problems for a defense, but geeze, Williams is so good. He should come up with some imaginative stuff, I'd bet.

He'll know the key is to get to Bledsoe... but that was the key last year and Bledsoe did just fine in the first game, before Torrin Tucker was in there. So knowing that and actually getting to him are two different things... particularly considering how many weapons Drew will have this year.

NFC East will be great this year.
 

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MONT17 said:
heres what I think of ANDRE CARTER... if NOLAN doesnt want to keep him on the worst team in the league, he has a long way to go before I'm worried!!!


Springs "shut down" TO while in a WCO and a heartless McD as his QB!!! BILL doesnt run that WCO dink and dunk BS with no threat of the run or any other options in the pass!


with TO look for WINTTEN to have BEN COATS type #s!!!


but thats what I'm smokin!!!

Dude,....Its WITTEN, not Wintten.6 letters not 7.
 

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Before you can start gameplanning, you really gotta see how the teams shape up. For example, the only thing we know for certain about dallas' OL is that they are different then last year's OL. How about Andre Carter and Phillip Daniels, are they the sack machines us Commanders fans think, or will we be disappointed. How about JJ, is he a bonafided threat? Even TO is a bit of question mark. Don't get me wrong, TO is a great player no matter what system you put him in, the question is how great of a player he will be in Dallas' system. He's a WCO-type of receiver... How about for Washington, Holdman was weak last season, but he definitely has (or at least had) pro-bowl level talent, was that drop-off due to a lingering injury, or is it permanent? How about if Sean Taylor is suspended for the game???
Dallas fans will gameplan for the best case scenario. IE, OL give Bledsoe time enough to sense a blitz and check down to TO / Glenn / Witten or Fasano and make the team pay. And the line is effective enough to draw 8 guys to the box, and double teams away from Glenn and Owens.
Whereas Commanders fans will gameplan for a best-case scenario (from our end). JJ gets stuffed, allowing us to drop back into coverage and our DL is enough to get pressure without blitzing but throwing an edge rusher (like Washington) will completely destroy the offense. the truth lies somewhere in there most likely.
 

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MONT17 said:
heres what I think of ANDRE CARTER... if NOLAN doesnt want to keep him on the worst team in the league, he has a long way to go before I'm worried!!!

Nolan did want him back. Carter was a FA, and refused to go back to the horrid 9ers.

Springs "shut down" TO while in a WCO and a heartless McD as his QB!!! BILL doesnt run that WCO dink and dunk BS with no threat of the run or any other options in the pass!

Hate to break it to you, but TO has always played in a WCO.

with TO look for WINTTEN to have BEN COATS type #s!!!

but thats what I'm smokin!!!

:laugh: WiNtten already puts up Ben CoatEs type numbers. So if you expect no improvement at all, I agree. :)
 

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MONT17 said:
I think Commander fans will have a rude awakening this year!!!

not only are they putting in a new O... but like in Basketball they do not play above the rim... meaning based on what they did last year most of their successful plays develop behind the line of scrimage... from the counter to the hitch plays they run, with the addition to Randle El who lives behind the line of scrimmage, this O is too passive to succeed in the NFC EAST!

the Skins D is about BLITZING and nothing else!!! why else would anyone give ARCH 10 million? they got away with it last year... The BOYS with OL problems! the GIANTs had a young QB who could not win on the road! the Iggs had their problems with injuries/TO!

not in 06 baby! the BS will not fly in 06!!!

if u cant produce a PASS RUSH without blitzing... u cant win the NFC EAST...

thats what I'm smokin!!!

Brilliant. :lmao::lmao::lmao:
 

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AsthmaField said:
Yeah, the O line is a big thing. I just was assuming it would be okay. Too many variables to bring all of them in.

If Glenn is eating up single coverage and teams don't want to leave TO singled then, yeah, I think they both could see some double coverage. Not the entire time of course... but some.

If your team thinks they can single up on TO and Glenn, then more power to them. That might be a risky proposition though.
Its been proven that the Skins (Taylor and Springs) can single-cover TO.

You know... I've kind of gone back and forth on if I think Carter will do well for Washington or not. He has some ability, although he doesn't have the raw speed of someone like Freeny or the raw power of someone like Strahan. He never struck me as particulary talented though, when he was with SF. When he had his good year with SF, I remember watching him and thinking that it was more a function of other teams being in come from behind mode than Carter just beating his guy. And at that time, of course, I had no idea he'd one day be a Commander, so there wasn't any bias there. My initial reaction was that Carter wouldn't do too much to help Washington.
Well.....hopefully with our new offense a lot of teams will be in "come from behind mode..." :D :D :D

However, one thing worries me: Gregg Williams. He always tends to get the most out of his athletes. He usually takes guys and they play above what their talent says. He knows people who fit his system and he uses them correctly. Just a great, great defensive coordinator.

I'm still not convinced Carter will pan out for you guys... but I'm certainly not counting him out because of the Williams factor.
I'm not convinced either....he's had injury problems recently and not great numbers. But you're right about the Williams factor...that and Greg Blatche is a hell of a DLine coach. I think Carter will produce solid, not spectacular numbers. I also think Evans will surpass his total. :) (just a hunch about Evans).

NFC East will be great this year.

Hells yeah!! I can't wait. :toast2:
 

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say what you want... I'm sure Carter is the next REGGIE WHITE, why not... right?

so basicly if CARTER is not REGGIE WHITE, u expect the SKINs to BLITZ as much as they did last year to generate pressure on the QB! what I'm saying is that wont fly this year in the NFC EAST not just the BOYS... and I guess with your ANDRE CARTER wet dreams of 13 sack seasons, you agree!!!


BTW what does WINTTEN putting up COATS like numbers in 04, have to do with the SKINs have no answer for the BOYS passing options in 06? So u kiss a little azz to get some Cowboy fans to give u some slack.... spare me, I dont care if u like WITTEN or if u r a Cooley apologist!


ask yourself... besides ANDRE CARTER getting to DBLED and some kitchen sink blitz packages what personell do the skins have that can line up in a BASE and shut down the BOYS passing attack!!!


and Yes I know TO has played in the WCO his entire career... once again how is that going to help the skins in 06 v. TO? do you expect BILL to run a WCO with a QB who cant throw from the pocket and no running game!

I'm not going to rip into SPRINGs because he is the son of a great COWBOY but I will bet on TO v. Springs anyday no matter the history!!! CRogers was a nice CB in college but his turn and run skills have to improve greatly to deal with TG on a consistant basis, baby!!!


thats what I'm schmokin!!!
 

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Well, I guess I've found the joke-poster of the forum....:) We've got quite a few of those over at ES as well...
 
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