What Would Happen If Jason Garrett Had Not Been Figured Out?

[theebs]

With Romo, Witten, Roy, Crayton, Barber, Martellus, Felix, Choice, and an O-line playing at their potential -- who thinks that a monkey could call that offense and be a top 2-3 offense if they're all healthy?

I dont buy that for a second. IN fact I think you could take this premise and apply it to many of the greatest coaches of all time and just belittle their accomplishments.

Which is flat out ridiculous.

 

[dbair1967]

With Romo, Witten, Roy, Crayton, Barber, Martellus, Felix, Choice, and an O-line playing at their potential -- who thinks that a monkey could call that offense and be a top 2-3 offense if they're all healthy?

I dont know, I think good coaching DOES matter. We have an awful lot of talent on defense and its at the bottom of the league.

I look at that Seattle playoff game a few yrs ago as an example of terrible coaching. We had Romo, TO, Glenn, Witten, Barber, good OL etc etc. We played against a team that barely made the playoffs and had street free agents playing in their secondary, and yet the coaches chose to call what I still believe is one of the worst offensive games in the history of our franchise that day and we lost. We probably should have hung 30 or 40 pts on them and attacked their secondary all night, yet they hardly attempted anything downfield the entire game.

 

[Bleu Star]

I thinks theogt was basically saying that anyone can look like a decent mind with that many weapons at his disposal. A lot of the great coaches of all time did it with much less in regard to talent. They didn't all have a ridiculous talent pool at their disposal. I would venture to say some of them really had to go the extra coaching mile to gain their accolades.

 

[theebs]

I dont know, I think good coaching DOES matter. We have an awful lot of talent on defense and its at the bottom of the league.

I look at that Seattle playoff game a few yrs ago as an example of terrible coaching. We had Romo, TO, Glenn, Witten, Barber, good OL etc etc. We played against a team that barely made the playoffs and had street free agents playing in their secondary, and yet the coaches chose to call what I still believe is one of the worst offensive games in the history of our franchise that day and we lost. We probably should have hung 30 or 40 pts on them and attacked their secondary all night, yet they hardly attempted anything downfield the entire game.

Dont forget, that witten fumbled twice in that game and glenn once. All on passes. The gameplan was fine. they gave us running lanes and we took them. Romo led two drives in the 4th qtr of that game, witten fumbled at the one, and witten got his first down reversed at the 5. That could have been 14 points. Instead we get the fumble from witten and the fumble from romo.

It was hardly the worst gameplan ever. Not even close. We struggled on offense early and once we settled in we were fine. They were dropping everyone on defense and begging us to run the ball. You have to run the ball in that game.

Unfortunately we lost because of a couple crazy plays.

 

[khiladi]

1. 2nd in yards per game - 420 Yards per game.

2. 1st in yards per play - 7.6

3. 3rd in points - 65

4. 3rd in points per game - 32.5

Take into consideration that Romo sucks, TO made Jason Witten, TO made Tony Romo, Roy Williams sucks, Crayton sucks, Miles Austin sucks, and OL is weak...what else am I missing?

Amazing what Garrett can do with an offense whose personnel sucks and "has been figured out".

I'd hate to see what he could do if he had not been figured out and had some decent players. [sarcasm off]

Jason garrett first three games of the season last year:

487 Total Yards
380 Total Yards
453 Total Yards Against the Packers, they ran for 217 yards

If there is anything about Garrett is that his game-management sucks. Once he gets figured out, he can't adjust and the team goes crappy.

 

[gbrittain]

Jason garrett first three games of the season last year:

487 Total Yards
380 Total Yards
453 Total Yards Against the Packers, they ran for 217 yards

If there is anything about Garrett is that his game-management sucks. Once he gets figured out, he can't adjust and the team goes crappy.

I am sorry I did not get the memo from the Jason Garret has been figured out crowd, that when the new season starts he reinvents himself and is no longer "figured out".

For future reference. Dallas has now played two games. When exactly will he get figured out?

It is easy to wait until Dallas has a bad game offensively and then claim he has been figured out. So how many games do D Cords needs to figure him out.

Reminds me of the Tony can't win a big game crowd. You know if Dallas beats Carolina on Monday, its well "they sucked" and we were supposed to win.

If we lose, it was a big game because Dallas could not afford to go 1-2 to open the season.

 

[rysko]

i saw on espn where they showed romo audibling away from the play jg called and then throwing an interception, i think this happened on 2 of the interceptions against the giants.

 

[rangers71]

Great post.

 

[khiladi]

I am sorry I did not get the memo from the Jason Garret has been figured out crowd, that when the new season starts he reinvents himself and is no longer "figured out".

For future reference. Dallas has now played two games. When exactly will he get figured out?

So two games can show he hasn't been figured out, but hsi past track record means nothing as far as his coaching tendencies?

Re-invents himself? the passing game sucked against the Giants because Garrett always goes deep. Teams are still dropping their safeties back in coverage, taking away the deep ball forcing garrett to beat them by running. They are not defending this team any differently than they did last year. We played a horrible Tampa Bay team with a shoddy secondary, that fired their OC and started playing more man. From what I've seen in the passing game, it's the same story... We got a couple quick strikes against the team. Those quick strikes were essentially nullified by the Giants.

Just because we decide to emphasize the run doesn't mean Garrett has re-invented himself. It simply means this team dedicated himself to running the ball, which everybody in the organization, including Wade emphasized. Plus, Houck has had two years with the OL, and he is one of the greatest in the game. Nobody forced Garrett not to run last year. Even then, it is way too early to tell anything. This could be an anomaly like the Green Bay game last year.

The offense has started off rapidly every year Garrett has been here, but every team figures him out as the season progresses.
Nobody can say anything until by mid-season. Having a whole year off and coming back to do well is not the same as actually coaching through a whole season. Garrett's criticized for poor game-time adjustments and not being systematic in his approach.

 

[dbair1967]

Dont forget, that witten fumbled twice in that game and glenn once. All on passes. The gameplan was fine. they gave us running lanes and we took them. Romo led two drives in the 4th qtr of that game, witten fumbled at the one, and witten got his first down reversed at the 5. That could have been 14 points. Instead we get the fumble from witten and the fumble from romo.

It was hardly the worst gameplan ever. Not even close. We struggled on offense early and once we settled in we were fine. They were dropping everyone on defense and begging us to run the ball. You have to run the ball in that game.

Unfortunately we lost because of a couple crazy plays.

Theebs, I know you love Parcells and his little puppet Sparano, but come on. That was an awful game plan and awful play calling that day. There was almost NOTHING thrown downfield despite us clearly having skill people they couldnt handle.

As good as Parcells plan was in 1990 to beat the Bills, thats how bad this one was.

 

[dbair1967]

Re-invents himself? the passing game sucked against the Giants because Garrett always goes deep.

Stupid comment of the day dude. They threw almost NOTHING deep in this game. In fact there were really only two or three passes that I recall traveling over 20 yds in the air.

Teams are still dropping their safeties back in coverage, taking away the deep ball forcing garrett to beat them by running.

You mean like Tampa did in week one?

They are not defending this team any differently than they did last year. We played a horrible Tampa Bay team with a shoddy secondary, that fired their OC and started playing more man. From what I've seen in the passing game, it's the same story...

I noticed you didnt have jack to say after that game by the way.

The offense has started off rapidly every year Garrett has been here, but every team figures him out as the season progresses.

Who figured us out in 2007? For that matter last yr. Injuries had a whole lot more to do with our problems than anything else.

Nobody can say anything until by mid-season.

So why are you spewing off at the mouth now then?

 

[khiladi]

Stupid comment of the day dude. They threw almost NOTHING deep in this game. In fact there were really only two or three passes that I recall traveling over 20 yds in the air.

Because the Giants took the deep pass away... The one that they tried, they had an INT. Our passing game was horrendous against the Giants. Inform me how they were doing anything differently than teams were doing all year, dropping their safeties back?

You mean like Tampa did in week one?

And they did what per my own words:

They are not defending this team any differently than they did last year. We played a horrible Tampa Bay team with a shoddy secondary, that fired their OC and started playing more man. From what I've seen in the passing game, it's the same story...

Whoppity-freakin do... When the Giants went back to doing what team were doing last year, how effective was our passing game?

I noticed you didnt have jack to say after that game by the way.

And you were quiet when Buffalo did what against Tampa? If the guy would have held onto the ball, he'd have two TDs against that man coverage...

Who figured us out in 2007? For that matter last yr. Injuries had a whole lot more to do with our problems than anything else.

Yeah, it's always injuries... Well actually it was in one sense, because when TO went down, the offense fell apart..

So why are you spewing off at the mouth now then?

Considering Garrett has a track record of starting quick, then history is on the opposite side, meaning it is too early to tell if Garret has changed..

 

[jay cee]

I dont know, I think good coaching DOES matter. We have an awful lot of talent on defense and its at the bottom of the league.

I look at that Seattle playoff game a few yrs ago as an example of terrible coaching. We had Romo, TO, Glenn, Witten, Barber, good OL etc etc. We played against a team that barely made the playoffs and had street free agents playing in their secondary, and yet the coaches chose to call what I still believe is one of the worst offensive games in the history of our franchise that day and we lost. We probably should have hung 30 or 40 pts on them and attacked their secondary all night, yet they hardly attempted anything downfield the entire game.

See, you agree with me that sometimes the coaches play calling does not put their players in the best position to win the game.

Because according to some of the posts a couple of days ago, some of you guys seemed to be saying that no matter what plays are called, the players are at fault for not executing them correctly.

 

[kmd24]

It would be foolish to suggest that Jason Garrett is doing a poor job calling plays.

It would be equally foolish to suggest that he didn't make mistakes.

I guarantee you that he has looked at what worked and what didn't in the Giants game, and I'll bet that one of the things that he looked at was why the playaction on the third interception didn't work.

One of the things I like the most about Garrett is that he is very conscious of run/pass balance and what plays we run out of the various formations.

One of the things I like the least about Garrett is that he occasionally outsmarts himself when all we really need to do is line up and punch the other guy in the mouth a few more times.

On the balance, I think we're very lucky to have Garrett. I also think we're very lucky to have Romo. I think both are easy conclusions to arrive at if you aren't trying to assign blame.

 

[MONT17]

1. 2nd in yards per game - 420 Yards per game.

2. 1st in yards per play - 7.6

3. 3rd in points - 65

4. 3rd in points per game - 32.5

Take into consideration that Romo sucks, TO made Jason Witten, TO made Tony Romo, Roy Williams sucks, Crayton sucks, Miles Austin sucks, and OL is weak...what else am I missing?

Amazing what Garrett can do with an offense whose personnel sucks and "has been figured out".

I'd hate to see what he could do if he had not been figured out and had some decent players. [sarcasm off]

Nice Rankings, do you have anymore? l3rd down conversions or 3 and out drives...

 

[gbrittain]

Nice Rankings, do you have anymore? l3rd down conversions or 3 and out drives...

I have no idea where they stand on 3 and out drives, if I knew where to get that I would.

I know they are 10th in the league in 3rd down conversion percentage, which is pretty good.

I would imagine based on that stat they are no where near leading the league in 3 in out drives with a 3rd down conversion percentage that is top 10 in the league.

 

[LeonDixson]

To a certain degree you simply need to realize that you cannot have reasonable conversation here. Too many, are too opinionated, and not really interested in considering or respecting a different opinion.

When a couple of those types do happen to align, the thread will be interrupted by the first type.

This is a fantastic place to come and get Cowboy news. And if you keep your expectations really low you might be able to find a shred of enjoyable conversation.

But for me I think good conversation has largely been ruined here. Its not the mods fault. They do a great job, its the vast presence of posters who's primary purpose is their own crowing.

I don't know how you solve it or that you can. You can lead a horse to water...

As ridiculous as it sounds I've wondered at times if posters here shouldn't be profiled and subdivided accordingly. Give people what they want, homerism, pessimism, Garrett hatred, whatever.

I know most would say, I wouldn't want to post at a sight where everyone agreed. I think the reality is that for too many that is exactly what they want. They simply cannot respect a different viewpoint.

So sure, lay out your logic & statistics for why Garrett as OC is really producing this year. But realize, to most dissenters it doesn't make a hill of beans difference.

Bravo, bravo, bravo, CoCo! Very well said.

 

[dbair1967]

Re-invents himself? the passing game sucked against the Giants because Garrett always goes deep

Because the Giants took the deep pass away... The one that they tried, they had an INT. Our passing game was horrendous against the Giants. Inform me how they were doing anything differently than teams were doing all year, dropping their safeties back?

Just a helpful hint, but if you want people to take your arguments seriously, you should try to make an argument that makes sense.

 

[theogt]

David, one of these days you'll figure out how the quote system works.

 

[dbair1967]

See, you agree with me that sometimes the coaches play calling does not put their players in the best position to win the game.

Absolutely agree with that. But watching your QB make three boneheaded throws/decisions isnt an example of that. This isnt high school football where you can simply give up on the pass and run the ball every down to win.

Romo's one of the best QB's in the league, if he gets to the point where we have to treat him like Quincy Carter, what good is he?