What would it look like for a complete demolition and total rebuild?

gtb1943 said:
bluntly speaking get a vet QB that has light feet because if we cannot get the tackle situation settled he is going to need them
This is a situation where the first year would be messy to say the least
My whole drive would be to stockpile picks for 2027 and get our QB then
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I rather have a QB that can throw. we don't need a RB acting as a QB. reading the defense, making throws first...if they can scramble and run, then fine. Darnold who many here are now on his bandwagon and touting him had all of 95 yards rushing this year.

and a Running QWB is a band aid solution, not a long term solution. your approach was to clean house and get rid of 11, 12, 13 players and its not fixable in one year. you didn't name anyone, you just said go get this!!!, as if there is a 1-800-NEEDQB number and you just order for a 2 day delivery.
and finding a QB in draft is risky, depends on the year and a bit of luck. should we not do it? no, that's not what I am saying, but if you get rid of all the players, and try to reload and rebuild and miss on the QB, you are 4 years behind. my thought has always been draft a QB in the first 3 rounds every 3,4 years. continue to look, have options, develop the player and if it doesn't work out, you do it again. if it does, you have options and you can always trade them ala patriots and few others did.

and do you seriously think we have a front office that can pull this off? if we did, it would have already been done at least once in the past 30 years.
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
I rather have a QB that can throw. we don't need a RB acting as a QB. reading the defense, making throws first...if they can scramble and run, then fine. Darnold who many here are now on his bandwagon and touting him had all of 95 yards rushing this year.

and a Running QWB is a band aid solution, not a long term solution. your approach was to clean house and get rid of 11, 12, 13 players and its not fixable in one year. you didn't name anyone, you just said go get this!!!, as if there is a 1-800-NEEDQB number and you just order for a 2 day delivery.
and finding a QB in draft is risky, depends on the year and a bit of luck. should we not do it? no, that's not what I am saying, but if you get rid of all the players, and try to reload and rebuild and miss on the QB, you are 4 years behind. my thought has always been draft a QB in the first 3 rounds every 3,4 years. continue to look, have options, develop the player and if it doesn't work out, you do it again. if it does, you have options and you can always trade them ala patriots and few others did.

and do you seriously think we have a front office that can pull this off? if we did, it would have already been done at least once in the past 30 years.
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because I do not want to expose a rookie QB to what next year might be
 
gtb1943 said:
Destroy a losing team is not a bad thing except for those too blind to realize it IS a losing team
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I like the defense and the ST.

But the defense was lousy with a passive aggressive DC. That was on Jerry.
 
gtb1943 said:
because I do not want to expose a rookie QB to what next year might be
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so? Jimmy did it when he drafted Aikman and built around him.
its been done many times before.

per your plan of dumping everyone, if this year has a QB you deem worthy, then you take him. and move forward. you don't gamble on potential future. why?
because one year you might get

Burrows, Herbert and Love and the next year you get zach wilson, trey lance and justin fields...
 
gtb1943 said:
Here is my two cents worth (I know it should be more with inflation but I am a traditionalist)

Tag and Trade Pickens
Trade Dak
Trade Lamb
See if we can get something for Osa

No one else really worth much to trade; would look at offers for Clark and Q

Release Steele
Clean out the Safety room and keep Revel and maybe Bland in the CB room
D line let Sam Williams go

Do not resign Davonte Williams

That is where I would start

work at getting as many picks for next years draft as it looks much more valuable

and find a QB that can really dodge a pass rush
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outside of the early end of season exits we've had for the last 20 plus years?
 
CowboysRule said:
You really want to demolish everything? We just had a top offense. The defense isn't as bad as it looked this past year. I think you'll see a massive difference with a few more players added through the draft and (hopefully) FA, and of course, with a new competent DC.

What you want to do would mean that we are likely finishing last in the league, possibly winless. Any players we retain that are worth anything are likely going to be requesting trades. We will be drowning in dead cap. I'm not the biggest fan of Dak, but he is what we have at QB and with his contract, he's not going anywhere. My hope with him is that he puts it together and plays at the top of the game whenever we get back to the post-season, because honestly, that's the only choice.
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As you stated the #7 ranked offense is definitely not the problem but I would expect that from a team that spent 61% of the cap on offense would be good on that side of the ball. In contrast, the Patriots had 51% of the cap on offense and Seahawks only had 44%. It helps not to be paying a QB huge sums of money but I find in interesting that of the 14 playoff teams, 5 are in the top half in league spending on offense and 9 are in the bottom half. The Rams spent a massive 73% on offense but were beaten in the NFCC by a team that spent on 44% on offense and the rest on defense. Can't keep spending on offense and expect to get better on the defensive side. It would be nice to keep Pickens but it comes with a price.

See the link below if you want to see numbers for all 32 teams:

https://overthecap.com/positional-spending
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
so? Jimmy did it when he drafted Aikman and built around him.
its been done many times before.

per your plan of dumping everyone, if this year has a QB you deem worthy, then you take him. and move forward. you don't gamble on potential future. why?
because one year you might get

Burrows, Herbert and Love and the next year you get zach wilson, trey lance and justin fields...
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Yeah and Troy took a real beating but then you don;t care about that right?
 
gtb1943 said:
Yeah and Troy took a real beating but then you don;t care about that right?
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and then troy became one of the best and won three superbowls. but you don't care about that. right?

its all hypotethical and you are getting wound up over a fantasy... R E L A X
 
CowboysFaninHouston said:
and then troy became one of the best and won three superbowls. but you don't care about that. right?

its all hypotethical and you are getting wound up over a fantasy... R E L A X
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IF the goal is to win a SB, then this QB/team built including anything you could add in FA/trades is so cooked that expecting that outcome before the QB calls it quits is far beyond fantasy. You were making a point about setting a team back by picking the wrong QB in the draft by a full 4 years? That may be-but it's better than the perpetuity of mediocrity that the franchise has been operating since 2007. There is nothing of football substance as a media named "franchise" QB (only elite QB's and everyone else). Look at Darnold who was supposed to be one with the Jets and then bounced around the league like a pinata until landing with a good system and roster in Minnesota last year and Seattle this year (or Baker Mayfield or what Geno Smith was doing with Seattle). Teams can get by with a journeyman QB if they can harness their best self. And you don't have to pay top dollar.

No-I do not believe Jerry could intentionally do this. Nor will he before he's dead. IF the goal is to win some games and make it into the playoffs like almost half the league does now-then yes Jerry is on the right track. Build up one side of the ball so much that it will almost certainly be very good. Put a handful of resources into the other side of the ball and pray that they are at least middle of the pack. Then get to the playoffs and wait to get blown out by a team that diligently builds a good system and dedicates resources in a more balanced fashion and does not care about building a QB face of the franchise brand to sell the mindless masses. You seem to want this last scenario rather than blow the team up-which will happen organically anyway in a few years. Why? What's in it for you or the other fans that cling to this notion that the team can be anything more than the 12-5 and wait for the real teams in the divisional round. Are some of the fans praying they face a team that fortuitously loses their QB like the Broncos?

My vote, which admittedly means nothing is to blow it up after this next season. The Jets have the top Cowboy pick for 2027 draft and thus there is zero reason to blow it up before this coming season. Just a lotto ticket at that point to see what happens and hope that Jerry/Stephen hits another football oil well. At least it would be far more interesting than whatever milk bread reality show this money-making abomination of a franchise offers to those willing to eat it.
 
gtb1943 said:
Here is my two cents worth (I know it should be more with inflation but I am a traditionalist)

Tag and Trade Pickens
Trade Dak
Trade Lamb
See if we can get something for Osa

No one else really worth much to trade; would look at offers for Clark and Q

Release Steele
Clean out the Safety room and keep Revel and maybe Bland in the CB room
D line let Sam Williams go

Do not resign Davonte Williams

That is where I would start

work at getting as many picks for next years draft as it looks much more valuable

and find a QB that can really dodge a pass rush
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Unfortunately, that ship has sailed. Right before we paid Dak the last time, it looked like that might be what we were doing. Some good moves were made. And then BLAM, highest paid player in NFL history. At that point we knew: No super bowls for us.
 
Blitzen said:
IF the goal is to win a SB, then this QB/team built including anything you could add in FA/trades is so cooked that expecting that outcome before the QB calls it quits is far beyond fantasy. You were making a point about setting a team back by picking the wrong QB in the draft by a full 4 years? That may be-but it's better than the perpetuity of mediocrity that the franchise has been operating since 2007. There is nothing of football substance as a media named "franchise" QB (only elite QB's and everyone else). Look at Darnold who was supposed to be one with the Jets and then bounced around the league like a pinata until landing with a good system and roster in Minnesota last year and Seattle this year (or Baker Mayfield or what Geno Smith was doing with Seattle). Teams can get by with a journeyman QB if they can harness their best self. And you don't have to pay top dollar.

No-I do not believe Jerry could intentionally do this. Nor will he before he's dead. IF the goal is to win some games and make it into the playoffs like almost half the league does now-then yes Jerry is on the right track. Build up one side of the ball so much that it will almost certainly be very good. Put a handful of resources into the other side of the ball and pray that they are at least middle of the pack. Then get to the playoffs and wait to get blown out by a team that diligently builds a good system and dedicates resources in a more balanced fashion and does not care about building a QB face of the franchise brand to sell the mindless masses. You seem to want this last scenario rather than blow the team up-which will happen organically anyway in a few years. Why? What's in it for you or the other fans that cling to this notion that the team can be anything more than the 12-5 and wait for the real teams in the divisional round. Are some of the fans praying they face a team that fortuitously loses their QB like the Broncos?

My vote, which admittedly means nothing is to blow it up after this next season. The Jets have the top Cowboy pick for 2027 draft and thus there is zero reason to blow it up before this coming season. Just a lotto ticket at that point to see what happens and hope that Jerry/Stephen hits another football oil well. At least it would be far more interesting than whatever milk bread reality show this money-making abomination of a franchise offers to those willing to eat it.
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Very well stated.

Jerry deliberately and desperately avoids super bowl contention. How he's attempting to do it is just simply not how you get there. Especially w/ the worst GM in the NFL.
 
kskboys said:
Very well stated.

Jerry deliberately and desperately avoids super bowl contention. How he's attempting to do it is just simply not how you get there. Especially w/ the worst GM in the NFL.
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I think he stopped attempting to do it when they took Martin over Manziel. I realized that day that he had partially stepped out of the GM chair. He's been ceding small bits of control to Stephen ever since.
 
kskboys said:
I loved 1989. Because it was blatantly obvious that brighter days were a'comin'!!!

Losing only bothers me when it's not leading to better days.
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:hammer:

Nailed it. If I had a strong belief that better times were just ahead, I could endure a low single digit win season more easily than I can endure what we just had in 2025 with no hope of getting better anytime soon
 
BoysForLife said:
:hammer:

Nailed it. If I had a strong belief that better times were just ahead, I could endure a low single digit win season more easily than I can endure what we just had in 2025 with no hope of getting better anytime soon
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The last 15 years or so have just been a blur. Much rather have a 1-16 season and start over than this nightmare.
 
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