What WR would you Take?

[SharutoX]

I wish we would have taken a hard look at Torry Holt.

Is Mike Furrey available? He is the only guy I'd look at.

You people can hate on Crayton all you want; he is still better than most of these busted *** names your are throwing out.

What is the Case Against Crayton? He dropped one pass against the Giants, and he talks a lot? Give me a break. Those descriptions apply to every WR in the league, especially TO and Plax. Such irrational hatred. I can see not loving the guy and not wanting his jersey. But actively hating him and wanting him gone? He is a solid player that provides value to the team.

I hate him because last year when he didn't produce much when he was behind TO, and then when we traded for RW he still didnt do anything. He'll be good a slot receiver but that's about it.

 

[cobra]

I hate him because last year when he didn't produce much when he was behind TO, and then when we traded for RW he still didnt do anything. He'll be good a slot receiver but that's about it.

You hate him because of that? Wow. You are easily offended.

FYI: he had 40 catches for 550 yards and 4 TDs with about a 14 yard/avg. And that's being the 4th target on a team: TO, Witten, Roy/Miles and then him.

What exactly did you expect from him in the situation he was in?

Not to be a jerk about it, but Crayton did put better numbers last year than Plaxico did (35/454/4). And I think not getting hurt and suspended is a feature in a player.

So... awful Crayton last year (who was in a bad situation all year) had:
More catches and Yards than Plaxico (equal TDs).
More yards and better average than Chad Ochocinco Johnson (equal TDs).
More yards and better average and TDs than Brandon Stokely.
More catches and yards than Chris Chambers.
As many TDs as TJ Housh who had 3x as many catches. Oh, yeah, he had more TDs than Braylon Edwards and Lee Evans.
He was also more productive all-around than: Hank Baskett, Justin McCariens, Koren Robinson, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Williams, Shaun McDonald, Bobby Engram, Michaeal Clayton, Mercades Lewis, Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow and Jabar Gaffney.

And some of those guys are starters.

So really, what exactly do you expect out of someone who was largely a 4th option last year?

We didn't spend a high draft pick on the guy. We don't pay out the nose for him. And he produces. Why the hell would you hate the guy?

 

[Big Dakota]

Hank Baskett, then we could add a Playboy playmate to the team circus.

 

[juck]

Matt Jones,hey Stash tell em like it is

 

[SLATEmosphere]

You hate him because of that? Wow. You are easily offended.

FYI: he had 40 catches for 550 yards and 4 TDs with about a 14 yard/avg. And that's being the 4th target on a team: TO, Witten, Roy/Miles and then him.

What exactly did you expect from him in the situation he was in?

Not to be a jerk about it, but Crayton did put better numbers last year than Plaxico did (35/454/4). And I think not getting hurt and suspended is a feature in a player.

So... awful Crayton last year (who was in a bad situation all year) had:
More catches and Yards than Plaxico (equal TDs).
More yards and better average than Chad Ochocinco Johnson (equal TDs).
More yards and better average and TDs than Brandon Stokely.
More catches and yards than Chris Chambers.
As many TDs as TJ Housh who had 3x as many catches. Oh, yeah, he had more TDs than Braylon Edwards and Lee Evans.
He was also more productive all-around than: Hank Baskett, Justin McCariens, Koren Robinson, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Williams, Shaun McDonald, Bobby Engram, Michaeal Clayton, Mercades Lewis, Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow and Jabar Gaffney.

And some of those guys are starters.

So really, what exactly do you expect out of someone who was largely a 4th option last year?

We didn't spend a high draft pick on the guy. We don't pay out the nose for him. And he produces. Why the hell would you hate the guy?

...Annnnnd a dropped pass that kept us from winning a playoff game.

Patrick Crayton=Ray Finkle.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

You hate him because of that? Wow. You are easily offended.

FYI: he had 40 catches for 550 yards and 4 TDs with about a 14 yard/avg. And that's being the 4th target on a team: TO, Witten, Roy/Miles and then him.

What exactly did you expect from him in the situation he was in?

Not to be a jerk about it, but Crayton did put better numbers last year than Plaxico did (35/454/4). And I think not getting hurt and suspended is a feature in a player.

So... awful Crayton last year (who was in a bad situation all year) had:
More catches and Yards than Plaxico (equal TDs).
More yards and better average than Chad Ochocinco Johnson (equal TDs).
More yards and better average and TDs than Brandon Stokely.
More catches and yards than Chris Chambers.
As many TDs as TJ Housh who had 3x as many catches. Oh, yeah, he had more TDs than Braylon Edwards and Lee Evans.
He was also more productive all-around than: Hank Baskett, Justin McCariens, Koren Robinson, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Williams, Shaun McDonald, Bobby Engram, Michaeal Clayton, Mercades Lewis, Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow and Jabar Gaffney.

And some of those guys are starters.

So really, what exactly do you expect out of someone who was largely a 4th option last year?

We didn't spend a high draft pick on the guy. We don't pay out the nose for him. And he produces. Why the hell would you hate the guy?

The Cobra STRIKES!!! *and preaches the truth*
I've never gotten the hatred for 84; he is what he is, a solid, dependable possession WR.

 

[dbair1967]

You hate him because of that? Wow. You are easily offended.

FYI: he had 40 catches for 550 yards and 4 TDs with about a 14 yard/avg. And that's being the 4th target on a team: TO, Witten, Roy/Miles and then him.

What exactly did you expect from him in the situation he was in?

Not to be a jerk about it, but Crayton did put better numbers last year than Plaxico did (35/454/4). And I think not getting hurt and suspended is a feature in a player.

So... awful Crayton last year (who was in a bad situation all year) had:
More catches and Yards than Plaxico (equal TDs).
More yards and better average than Chad Ochocinco Johnson (equal TDs).
More yards and better average and TDs than Brandon Stokely.
More catches and yards than Chris Chambers.
As many TDs as TJ Housh who had 3x as many catches. Oh, yeah, he had more TDs than Braylon Edwards and Lee Evans.
He was also more productive all-around than: Hank Baskett, Justin McCariens, Koren Robinson, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Williams, Shaun McDonald, Bobby Engram, Michaeal Clayton, Mercades Lewis, Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow and Jabar Gaffney.

And some of those guys are starters.

So really, what exactly do you expect out of someone who was largely a 4th option last year?

We didn't spend a high draft pick on the guy. We don't pay out the nose for him. And he produces. Why the hell would you hate the guy?

post of the month, easily

 

[dbair1967]

The Cobra STRIKES!!! *and preaches the truth*
I've never gotten the hatred for 84; he is what he is, a solid, dependable possession WR.

He spoke the truth about the Patsies and dropped one pass in his career that mattered, and people think its the end of the world.

Once upon a time Emmitt held out as a rookie and fumbled as 2nd yr player causing us to lose a game in OT.

Once upon a time Michael Irvin dropped a pass in a playoff game.

Once upon a time Charles Haley had 4.5 sacks in an entire season for us.

Once upon a time Jay Novacek went through an entire season with us and managed to score only one touchdown. (In fact at one point he scored only 3in two yrs)

Once upon a time I saw Troy Aikman throw an int at the end of a game we could have won. (This actually happened three times that I remember, one was not his fault though)

Am I saying this to say Crayton is anything like any of these guys as a PLAYER? No not at all. But the guy was a late rd draft pick that changed positions and turned himself into a solid NFL player. If he played anywhere else some of you boneheads would be saying "why cant we ever draft a guy like that and develop him????"

 

[cobra]

...Annnnnd a dropped pass that kept us from winning a playoff game.

Patrick Crayton=Ray Finkle.

Ding, ding, ding.

We have the truth: some of y'all just can't get over the butt hurt from that one freaking play.

GET OVER IT. It was not the game winning TD pass. Yeah, it was a drop. Yeah, it looked like it could have helped us. Yeah, we get it.

But GET THE HELL OVER IT.

Eventually you have to stop holding one drop against the guy.

Jackie Smith did not go from being a valuable contributor to a pile of crap because of his one drop... and that drop was far more costly.

Crayton dropped a ball that may or may not have cost a playoff game. He's also helped win a couple of games.

If you can't get over the butt hurt from that one play, then fine. Live your life like that. But can we please not here so much about it?

 

[dbair1967]

Of the Receivers available??

None of them...no reason to do anything until we see how training camp and some (if not all) of preseason plays out.

If it looks then like the guys we have might not be able to handle it (or are hurt) you go out and get somebody worth a damn, not some trash off the scrap heap. (which is all thats out there right now)

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Ding, ding, ding.

We have the truth: some of y'all just can't get over the butt hurt from that one freaking play.

GET OVER IT. It was not the game winning TD pass. Yeah, it was a drop. Yeah, it looked like it could have helped us. Yeah, we get it.

But GET THE HELL OVER IT.

Eventually you have to stop holding one drop against the guy.

Jackie Smith did not go from being a valuable contributor to a pile of crap because of his one drop... and that drop was far more costly.

Crayton dropped a ball that may or may not have cost a playoff game. He's also helped win a couple of games.

If you can't get over the butt hurt from that one play, then fine. Live your life like that. But can we please not here so much about it?

I have no problem admitting that Crayton is on my ****list because of that drop. It isn't because he dropped it, it's because he still opens that fat mouth and acts like he's some legit reciever. It's the whole package with Crayton that i don't like. He talks the big game and fails to perform. If he ccomes back and redeems himself next year in the playoffs then I will gladly give up my hatred, but until he redeems himself he will always be a guy that talks like he's OchoCinco yet performs like Earnst Wilford.

 

[bbgun]

Trade for Hank Baskett and his hot wife.

 

[Four]

crayton is a solid to very good player.

in the NFL.

which is professional football last time I checked and last time I checked none of us play football professionally.

So ya, I think crayton can talk if he wants to, and most of the time he backs it up with solid reliable play on the field.

not a single problem with him.

and as an aside, every team I have ever played on when a guy on my team talks trash I end up playing harder to back up my teammate. I have never heard a teammate of crayton complain about his mouth, I care about the team, not fans.

 

[Dodger]

You hate him because of that? Wow. You are easily offended.

FYI: he had 40 catches for 550 yards and 4 TDs with about a 14 yard/avg. And that's being the 4th target on a team: TO, Witten, Roy/Miles and then him.

What exactly did you expect from him in the situation he was in?

Not to be a jerk about it, but Crayton did put better numbers last year than Plaxico did (35/454/4). And I think not getting hurt and suspended is a feature in a player.

So... awful Crayton last year (who was in a bad situation all year) had:
More catches and Yards than Plaxico (equal TDs).
More yards and better average than Chad Ochocinco Johnson (equal TDs).
More yards and better average and TDs than Brandon Stokely.
More catches and yards than Chris Chambers.
As many TDs as TJ Housh who had 3x as many catches. Oh, yeah, he had more TDs than Braylon Edwards and Lee Evans.
He was also more productive all-around than: Hank Baskett, Justin McCariens, Koren Robinson, Kevin Curtis, Reggie Williams, Shaun McDonald, Bobby Engram, Michaeal Clayton, Mercades Lewis, Jeremy Shockey, Kellen Winslow and Jabar Gaffney.

And some of those guys are starters.

So really, what exactly do you expect out of someone who was largely a 4th option last year?

We didn't spend a high draft pick on the guy. We don't pay out the nose for him. And he produces. Why the hell would you hate the guy?

Thanks for the perspective.

I've always had a mixed opinion of Crayton, but if I'm being fair, I have to say that he's arguably the best No. 3 receiver in the league. Sure, he likes to run his mouth, but so do a lot of receivers. It's the nature of the beast.

And yeah, I was pissed that he dropped that pass too, but I'm not going to hold that against him forever. Players aren't perfect. Even the best of them make boneheaded mistakes. But, like Cobra said, the guy produces and at a rate that's often better than many a starter in this league. If anything, he's an overachiever, and we need guys like that on this team.

 

[cobra]

I have no problem admitting that Crayton is on my ****list because of that drop.

Get over it. No, seriously. Get over it. Are you holding the dropped snap against Tony in Seattle? Are you holding the drive extending off-side penalty against Ware in that same NYG game?

I see you have Lebron as your avatar. Are you holding his missed shots against him that allowed the Magic to beat them?

I'm betting no. So get over it with Crayton.

It isn't because he dropped it, it's because he still opens that fat mouth and acts like he's some legit reciever. ...He talks the big game and fails to perform.

Ok, so now it's not about him dropping it.

He is a legit WR, by the way. I posted the numbers. Two seasons ago when she started opposite TO, he was one of the top #2 WRs in the entire league, putting up 50 catches, 700 yards, and 7 TDs with a 14 yard/avg. Those are absolutely legit numbers.

guy that talks like he's OchoCinco yet performs like Earnst Wilford.

Actually, it could be argued that Crayton performed better than OchoCinco last year, despite being a 4th WR option.

CJ: 53 catches, 540 yards, 4 TDs, 10.2 avg
PC: 39 catches, 550 yards, 4 TDs, 14.1 avg

So... owned?

Incidentally, Earnest Wilford had 3 catches for 25 yards and 0 TDs.

So clearly you don't have a fricking clue what the hell you are babbling about. You just have staked your position that you hate Crayton and are going to mindlessly defend it no matter how wrong you are in spite of reason and common sense. Good job.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Get over it. No, seriously. Get over it. Are you holding the dropped snap against Tony in Seattle? Are you holding the drive extending off-side penalty against Ware in that same NYG game?

I see you have Lebron as your avatar. Are you holding his missed shots against him that allowed the Magic to beat them?

I'm betting no. So get over it with Crayton.



Ok, so now it's not about him dropping it.

He is a legit WR, by the way. I posted the numbers. Two seasons ago when she started opposite TO, he was one of the top #2 WRs in the entire league, putting up 50 catches, 700 yards, and 7 TDs with a 14 yard/avg. Those are absolutely legit numbers.



Actually, it could be argued that Crayton performed better than OchoCinco last year, despite being a 4th WR option.

CJ: 53 catches, 540 yards, 4 TDs, 10.2 avg
PC: 39 catches, 550 yards, 4 TDs, 14.1 avg

So... owned?

Incidentally, Earnest Wilford had 3 catches for 25 yards and 0 TDs.

So clearly you don't have a fricking clue what the hell you are babbling about. You just have staked your position that you hate Crayton and are going to mindlessly defend it no matter how wrong you are in spite of reason and common sense. Good job.

LOL who pissed in your fruit loops this morning? Are you secretly Patrick Crayton? If you are, then your garbage and you need to get more of those "solid hands" that you seem to have. I've yet to see them but I heard you possess them.

:laugh2: Comparing Crapton to Ocho? hahahahah

Miles will blow Crapton out of the water and I can't wait till he comes out and whines about not getting enough touches.

 

[Stash]

Amani Toomer or Marty Booker for veteran leadership and insurance might interest me.

Not much beyond those 2.

I'd take either of those two as insurance/stopgap help.

I obviously think Matt Jones makes sense, and I think trading a late round draft pick for Roscoe Parrish would help this team in several ways.

And it's not necessarily a 'knock' on the current starters as some think, but more a lack of confidence in an injury-prone group remaining healthy, especially considering they'll be getting even more playing time now that Owens is gone.

If they couldn't hold up before, I don't see how they will with an even bigger workload.

 

[Tovya]

I have no problem admitting that Crayton is on my ****list because of that drop. It isn't because he dropped it, it's because he still opens that fat mouth and acts like he's some legit reciever. It's the whole package with Crayton that i don't like. He talks the big game and fails to perform. If he ccomes back and redeems himself next year in the playoffs then I will gladly give up my hatred, but until he redeems himself he will always be a guy that talks like he's OchoCinco yet performs like Earnst Wilford.

LOL, that's great. That's exactly how I feel about him.

I actually like him, but he just needs to stop jabbing the jaw until he actually performs to a level that gives him that right.

 

[Four]

did you ignore the stats?

because he has, you guys just don't see it because it doesn't fit into your little irrational rants about the guy.

the stats are there, he made one bad play and you guys won't let it go.

not his fault you guys are blind haters who based it off nonsense.

when teammates complain about his mouth then you have a point, until then it's just fans being whiny about crap they know nothing about.

 

[Tovya]

did you ignore the stats?

because he has, you guys just don't see it because it doesn't fit into your little irrational rants about the guy.

the stats are there, he made one bad play and you guys won't let it go.

not his fault you guys are blind haters who based it off nonsense.

when teammates complain about his mouth then you have a point, until then it's just fans being whiny about crap they know nothing about.

I'm no Crayton hater, I'm a fan of his personally. My only rant happens to be the only rant that his teammates have about him--his mouth. And if he put up big numbers, they (and I) probably would be less inclined to complain about that as well.