CFZ What yesterday revealed about our weaknesses

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I didn’t think the backup offensive linemen performed that badly. Certainly not enough to be the reason why this team lost.

Even Edoga - and I’ve been an outspoken critic - was acceptable at left tackle. And I don’t think people can still question why they kept Brock Hoffman.

LVE is bad. He looks slow, out of position too often, and lacking instincts. I don’t know what’s happened to him since his rookie year.

My biggest issue aside from the overall defensive performance is with the quarterback.

On a day where he and the offense needed to carry the team, he failed.
Excellent post Stash.
I saw it the exact same way and can only add to your last bullet point.

The playcaller and QB do not know how to score tds once reaching the opponent 20 yard line.

THAT is biggest red flag of all to denying any further team success this year imo.
 

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When is someone going to corner Dak on his ability to play while under pressure. He ALWAYS chokes. Sure pressure can cause mistakes but we see QBs under pressure every weekend that find a way to complete passes and churn out first downs.
His final possessions with the game on the line are becoming must watch TV for all the wrong reasons.
 

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Funny how a defense can transform from "generational" to "poop" overnight.

There's never an egg timer around when you need one.
I would have to go back and look at the season results, but I'm pretty sure the 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens defenses didn't have stinkers like this during their respective seasons. "Generational" defenses consistently beat the crap out of their opponents.

So yes, this defense turned to poop overnight.
 

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1. This is a team of front runners looking for individual stats with no one to right the ship in choppy waters (heres looking at you HC, QB and Parsons)
2. We have an above average QB who shrinks on the big stage
3. Our HC/OC does not trust the QB and the QB showed us why by promptly throwing a pick
4. The offense is decent and will be competitive if the defense gets TOs and short field for it
5. This is not a good RZ offense because of #2 and #3 so we will be kicking FGs a lot
6. If the offense is to do well, the QB will HAVE TO run so the defense has to account for him like Philly
7. The jury is out right now for Mccarthy and this offense
8. We cannot stop the run and that is the strength of our opponents. We have learned little from the 2 previous seasons
9. The defense read their press clippings and got toasted

I could go on but those are the highlights
 

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The offense as a whole is a huge problem, not just the missing lineman. All 3 played last week and they still had trouble getting the ball in the end zone. What was it, 4 FG's last week? 3 more this week?
EXACTLY.
The playcaller and his QB need to figure out how to score tds inside the opponent 20.
 

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*roar* "he's roaring everywhere, except on the field" *roar"

I loved that crawl after he made that one play, brought back good memories of jacklyn smith. Jacklyn would have swiped him off the field.
 

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When the pre-season with all its hype and predictions ended, we as fans and the Cowboys sports media all pointed out the many strengths of this team coupled with the areas of the team where we are vulnerable. This is a very talented football team. But, like all NFL teams, it does have problems.

In my view the three biggest vulnerabilities and question marks about this team showed up yesterday:
  1. The OL depth is a concern- we all knew go into the season that Tyron Smith is a ticking time bomb for an injury. Then Tyler Biadz went down and Zack Martin too. Suddenly having 3 backup lineman for one game was a problem. Edoga looked awful at LT. Apparently Tyler Smith’s ham is still too tender to allow him to play LT. We all have loved TJ Bass and his UFA story. But he’s still very raw with a lot to learn.
  2. The inability to stop the run has dogged this team for years- are we back to this being a problem? This team gave up 185 yards in the first half! And our LBs looked out position or easily blocked by the cards most of the day. I don’t think we’re as bad against the run as we saw yesterday but it has been a problem for so long, it does make you wonder.
  3. This team has been mentally soft for most of the last 27 years, regardless of coaches. For far too long, the Cowboys have been soft. Especially mentally. Adversity strikes and this team stumbles. Not 100% of the time of course, but far too often.
It’s a long season and we still have 14 games left. No need to push any panic buttons. But the above problems are not a surprise. This team’s ability to improve in those areas will say a lot about our chances of post season success.
that's the thing about offensive linemen if you have to use 3 BUs all at once is a concern for any team period end of story... which typically is all you have to do is use one at a time , mixed in with a bunch of starters is OK...

I'll challenge you to tell me where every TEAM has offensive lineman depth that deep that could have covered up missing 3 PB lineman in the same game and succeed?

in my opinion there is no such depth anywhere.... i'm not concerned about the depth right now we just have to adjust... we didn't adjust well but how could we? now we can watch the film go back to adjust and hope we arent missing 3 lineman at the same time every game.

and yes the defense got ran over , killed TOP limited drives for the, O once again and yet that last INT was all many talk about? hard to throw with max coverage and immense Pass rush.. not blaming any one player or group BUT its D first, OL second, and yes the penalties on the ST put the nail in the coffin over and over and over.

it's so missing 4 pro bowl players they didn't adjust well... that would happen to many teams.. however the ridiculous amount of pen....chance we had of staying in this game..

IMHO the penalties is what caused us to lose this game... we had no room for error and we made all the errors.... remember 2021 the playoff game against the 49ers 14 penalties.. all people talk about was the offense and #4.....yup here we are agin.. 3 PB OL gone no time to throw or get open and so many penalties i lost count and that what we erae dog signlaing out a payer or 2?? nope team lost this but D and penalty's top of the list., that d was nearly Nolan bad given who we played.

TEAM failure time to move on.


who cares who's exempt and who's not?? but if you want to be critical of the p....t with missing 4 pro bowlers, 3 up front, what that does is allow a team that can get to your QB. with a 4 man line and muddle up the back end.. it allowed their DBS safeties to play max coverage.... so no time to throw to no open players equal bad passing game.... they were harassed all night and hard to blame play calls or players as they had no time or room top throw. Cant get open in 2 secs with so much coverage. Then bam pass rush all over Dak. Wake up people geez

no what it means is we lost one game and that's it..it mean we played a single bad game missing 4 PB players...this is become much a giant headache they lost a game get over it move on!..
 

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When the pre-season with all its hype and predictions ended, we as fans and the Cowboys sports media all pointed out the many strengths of this team coupled with the areas of the team where we are vulnerable. This is a very talented football team. But, like all NFL teams, it does have problems.

In my view the three biggest vulnerabilities and question marks about this team showed up yesterday:
  1. The OL depth is a concern- we all knew go into the season that Tyron Smith is a ticking time bomb for an injury. Then Tyler Biadz went down and Zack Martin too. Suddenly having 3 backup lineman for one game was a problem. Edoga looked awful at LT. Apparently Tyler Smith’s ham is still too tender to allow him to play LT. We all have loved TJ Bass and his UFA story. But he’s still very raw with a lot to learn.
  2. The inability to stop the run has dogged this team for years- are we back to this being a problem? This team gave up 185 yards in the first half! And our LBs looked out position or easily blocked by the cards most of the day. I don’t think we’re as bad against the run as we saw yesterday but it has been a problem for so long, it does make you wonder.
  3. This team has been mentally soft for most of the last 27 years, regardless of coaches. For far too long, the Cowboys have been soft. Especially mentally. Adversity strikes and this team stumbles. Not 100% of the time of course, but far too often.
It’s a long season and we still have 14 games left. No need to push any panic buttons. But the above problems are not a surprise. This team’s ability to improve in those areas will say a lot about our chances of post season success.
#3 Soft, overhyeped, no mental toughness, and downright embarrassing at times the past 27 plus years. I just want this organization to win again so we can all remove the monkey. I have to admit when Dak through the int yesterday I just laughed out loud. Not because of Dak but because this organziation continues to choke on it's own failures regardless who is coaching or is throwing the rock. It's just sad to witness and provide any legit reason why this team can or will rise to the occasion when it matters or when they are challenged.
 

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The defense had a bad day at the office Dan Quinn will get it right. My concern is behind center, even with a patched-up line the running game was there (185 yards), and pass protection wasn't bad (40 pass attempts and only 2 sacks). Coming into the game Arizona had 9 sacks one of the better units in the league. In contrast, the Giants scored 31 points (time of possession 29 mins), the Commanders 20 points (time of possession 31 mins), and the Cowboys 16 points (time of possession 34 mins).
 

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When the pre-season with all its hype and predictions ended, we as fans and the Cowboys sports media all pointed out the many strengths of this team coupled with the areas of the team where we are vulnerable. This is a very talented football team. But, like all NFL teams, it does have problems.

In my view the three biggest vulnerabilities and question marks about this team showed up yesterday:
  1. The OL depth is a concern- we all knew go into the season that Tyron Smith is a ticking time bomb for an injury. Then Tyler Biadz went down and Zack Martin too. Suddenly having 3 backup lineman for one game was a problem. Edoga looked awful at LT. Apparently Tyler Smith’s ham is still too tender to allow him to play LT. We all have loved TJ Bass and his UFA story. But he’s still very raw with a lot to learn.
  2. The inability to stop the run has dogged this team for years- are we back to this being a problem? This team gave up 185 yards in the first half! And our LBs looked out position or easily blocked by the cards most of the day. I don’t think we’re as bad against the run as we saw yesterday but it has been a problem for so long, it does make you wonder.
  3. This team has been mentally soft for most of the last 27 years, regardless of coaches. For far too long, the Cowboys have been soft. Especially mentally. Adversity strikes and this team stumbles. Not 100% of the time of course, but far too often.
It’s a long season and we still have 14 games left. No need to push any panic buttons. But the above problems are not a surprise. This team’s ability to improve in those areas will say a lot about our chances of post season success.

As the late George Young once said, "depth is great until you have to use it." Missing 3 offensive linemen is going to hurt any team. But the Cowboys did get 416 yards of offense yesterday and 185 yards rushing. No doubt the pass protection was not great and Dak was clearly rushing his throws at times, but any team missing its LT, C and RG, all 3 all-pros at one time or another, is going to suffer to some degree.

I think the run defense is really a function of how they play defense. They like to rush the front using all kinds of stunts and twists. There is no gap discipline. If they stay home they can stop the run. The Cards had 182 yards rushing in the first half, but only 40 in the second despite the big lead they had. But I also think their rush defense is a LB problem. LVE had a terrible day yesterday and so did Kearse. LVE seems to be slow recognizing the play and getting to the ball carrier. A few times yesterday he took bad angles and missed the tackle. He is such an enigma to me. He can look great on 5 plays and then look like a lost rookie on the next 10. And where were the safeties yesterday? I did not see them coming up and making plays in the run game like they did against the Giants and Jets.

The Cowboys might need to slow the pass rush down a bit to stop the run early in games and let the offense get a lead. Also, this defense struggles when it does not get sacks and force turnovers.

I don't think this team is soft like teams of the past. I just think they had a bad day yesterday and a lot went wrong. That blown coverage on the 69 yards pass play setting up the TD that put the game out of reach was a microcosm of the entire day. They were flat and outplayed, outcoached and outhustled. I expect this was a one game thing and not who they are.
 

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It's time for Quinn to deploy a primarily zone defense. That will help Gilmore in coverage and also help defend against running QBs.
 

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The term "Any given Sunday" applies to all 32 teams, however, teams like the Cowboys don't seem to get it. This speaks to an organizational culture that is not 100% dialed in to winning football games. Welcome to the Star.
So fans giving other teams the benefit of doubt and not the Cowboys is somehow an organizational culture?

Is fandom an organization?

Bizarre
 

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When the pre-season with all its hype and predictions ended, we as fans and the Cowboys sports media all pointed out the many strengths of this team coupled with the areas of the team where we are vulnerable. This is a very talented football team. But, like all NFL teams, it does have problems.

In my view the three biggest vulnerabilities and question marks about this team showed up yesterday:
  1. The OL depth is a concern- we all knew go into the season that Tyron Smith is a ticking time bomb for an injury. Then Tyler Biadz went down and Zack Martin too. Suddenly having 3 backup lineman for one game was a problem. Edoga looked awful at LT. Apparently Tyler Smith’s ham is still too tender to allow him to play LT. We all have loved TJ Bass and his UFA story. But he’s still very raw with a lot to learn.
  2. The inability to stop the run has dogged this team for years- are we back to this being a problem? This team gave up 185 yards in the first half! And our LBs looked out position or easily blocked by the cards most of the day. I don’t think we’re as bad against the run as we saw yesterday but it has been a problem for so long, it does make you wonder.
  3. This team has been mentally soft for most of the last 27 years, regardless of coaches. For far too long, the Cowboys have been soft. Especially mentally. Adversity strikes and this team stumbles. Not 100% of the time of course, but far too often.
It’s a long season and we still have 14 games left. No need to push any panic buttons. But the above problems are not a surprise. This team’s ability to improve in those areas will say a lot about our chances of post season success.
Linebackers on this defense is a major problem. Guys like Bell can't be expected to stop the run consistently. LVE is a liability. Clark looks average at best. It's simple, run the ball at Micah to wear him down. All these guys care about is sacks and it showed yesterday. How many guys were out of position just trying to rush the QB that left lanes wide open. It didn't help that Kearse was taking horrible angles either. That was an undisciplined soft defense yesterday. We give Dan Quinn praise all the time, well he deserves a lot of crap for his unit yesterday.
They don't look like a defense that matches up with the two teams they need to beat, Philly and the 49ers. Both teams have great o-lines and run the ball well. Jury is out on this defense being good enough never mind being doomsday 2.0 lol. Again they got way ahead of their skis talking about being the best defense in the NFL after two freaking games!!!! Shut up and prove it for a whole season. Prove you can win games when it matters. Just shut up.
 

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Going to throw this game away for whatever reason Arizona always has our number. :thumbdown:
 

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So fans giving other teams the benefit of doubt and not the Cowboys is somehow an organizational culture?

Is fandom an organization?

Bizarre
Other teams? Is that the entitlement trophies for all league?
 

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I would have to go back and look at the season results, but I'm pretty sure the 1985 Bears and 2000 Ravens defenses didn't have stinkers like this during their respective seasons. "Generational" defenses consistently beat the crap out of their opponents.

So yes, this defense turned to poop overnight.
Our weakness is still stopping the run.

Great or generational defenses stop the run first.

If we don’t create turnovers not a dominating defense.

And our secondary could be a concern again , especially with Diggs out.

If Parsons doesn’t take over games we aren’t dominating . Why is he mainly only playing in passing situations ?

Without a top 5 caliber defense this offense didn’t look like it’s carrying us anywhere.
 
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Our weakness rest and lies with Prescott, other teams with great QBs are able to overcome injuries and weaknesses. He is a statue back there and if teams get pressure on him he can’t improvise. He was the second best QB on the field yesterday.
so 200+ yards rushing given up by defense is not a concern?

other team with great QBs? such as? KC? cinci? Bills? your complaint and your assessment is that Dak is not elite. is that it?

btw, he had 24 yards rushing. he is no Jackson for sure. but statue!? really!
 

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When the pre-season with all its hype and predictions ended, we as fans and the Cowboys sports media all pointed out the many strengths of this team coupled with the areas of the team where we are vulnerable. This is a very talented football team. But, like all NFL teams, it does have problems.

In my view the three biggest vulnerabilities and question marks about this team showed up yesterday:
  1. The OL depth is a concern- we all knew go into the season that Tyron Smith is a ticking time bomb for an injury. Then Tyler Biadz went down and Zack Martin too. Suddenly having 3 backup lineman for one game was a problem. Edoga looked awful at LT. Apparently Tyler Smith’s ham is still too tender to allow him to play LT. We all have loved TJ Bass and his UFA story. But he’s still very raw with a lot to learn.
  2. The inability to stop the run has dogged this team for years- are we back to this being a problem? This team gave up 185 yards in the first half! And our LBs looked out position or easily blocked by the cards most of the day. I don’t think we’re as bad against the run as we saw yesterday but it has been a problem for so long, it does make you wonder.
  3. This team has been mentally soft for most of the last 27 years, regardless of coaches. For far too long, the Cowboys have been soft. Especially mentally. Adversity strikes and this team stumbles. Not 100% of the time of course, but far too often.
It’s a long season and we still have 14 games left. No need to push any panic buttons. But the above problems are not a surprise. This team’s ability to improve in those areas will say a lot about our chances of post season success.
In defense of the team I don’t think any team could win with 4 injuries on Thursday and one being a season ending with your second best defender. The game plan went right out the window two days before Sunday.
 
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