What's in "the book" on Dak?

jterrell

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This underscores the importance of a team.

I'm sure there was a book on Troy in the glory days. Problem was his teammates kept ripping the pages out.
yup. what i basically wrote was play really good fundamental defense.
dak is a steady, professional qb who make4s good decisions.
his book is the standard, play good defense.

that is almost exactly the same book as troy, btw.
 

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that's always been a deep out/in.
15-20 yards.
quick out and short outs are far less.

that deep out is the pass QBs have to make to pass arm tests because they are ropes.
40 yard passes with lots of air are far easier.

Deep outs and deep come backs in most college and pro offenses are 25-30 yrds. This was a 15 yrd out by design that went 16 yrds. We throw 15 yrd outs in my high-school offense. But was still a nice toss.
 

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You have to look at where the QB is standing to measure the length of the throw. The LOS measurement is just for stats.
Strangely enough, the .gif shows off both the averageness of Dak's arm as well as the fact that arm strength is overrated for making most throws. And also that rookie DBs usually aren't very good.

Wrong the design of route depth is determined from the LOS in every offense I have ever played in or coached in This was simply a designed 15 yrd out that went 16 yrds.
 

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that's always been a deep out/in.
15-20 yards.
quick out and short outs are far less.

that deep out is the pass QBs have to make to pass arm tests because they are ropes.
40 yard passes with lots of air are far easier.

The stem or breaking point of deep routes occur at 17-19 yrds by NFL standards a deep out that speed cuts at 17-19 yrds becomes 25-30 at point of catch.
 

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One chapter of his book is he doesn't feel pressure coming from the right side. He had 5 fumbles due to pressure from the right, and they usually occurred when he was beginning his throwing motion.

I wonder if this played a part in moving Collins to RT. Defensive coordinators have no doubt picked up on this, and you can bet La'el is going to get tested early and often.

He also doesn't have elite velocity or precision, and he doesn't throw receivers open yet. He does, however, excel at diagnosing defenses, which leads to his impressive completion percentage.

Sometimes coordinators can actually take advantage of his ability to correctly read defenses pre-snap. The Giants did this. They'd show a blitz, but then only rush 4 and drop their defensive ends back and have them cover the guy Dak would look to in the case of a blitz. They did this several times, and it flustered Dak a bit. I wouldn't expect it to work as well this year though.
 

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Chapter 1 college ball. Chapter 2 NFL rookie of the year. Chapter 3 super bowl MVP.
 

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Deep outs and deep come backs in most college and pro offenses are 25-30 yrds. This was a 15 yrd out by design that went 16 yrds. We throw 15 yrd outs in my high-school offense. But was still a nice toss.
That's not true at all.
Get past your agenda as its causing lies that rank right up there with politicians.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2016841-nfl-101-breaking-down-the-basics-of-the-route-tree

Breaking Down the Route Tree

In the NFL, every route (outside of the three-step passing game) breaks at a depth of 12 to 15 yards. Here's a quick breakdown of the routes you need to know in your film study.



Flat (1): A three-step, outside breaking route usually run from inside of the numbers (slot receiver, tight end, running back) with the receiver taking a quick, vertical release and then breaking to the flat. Think of basic combinations where the flat is used: flat-slant, flat-7, flat-stick, etc.

Slant (2): The slant can be run from a three-step drop or a one-step drop (sight adjust to off-coverage/blitz hot read). An inside breaking concept where the receiver will use a quick, vertical stem before breaking at a 45-degree angle to gain leverage versus a defender inside of the numbers. The slant will show up with players such as Calvin Johnson, Jimmy Graham, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald, etc., because of their size/length to create leverage on the break.

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Comeback (3): One of the toughest throws for an NFL quarterback to make, the comeback breaks at a depth of 12 to 15 yards with the receiver breaking downhill at a 45-degree angle to the sideline. In order for the comeback to be productive, the receiver must create enough separation within the stem by selling the fade before breaking downhill.

Curl (4): The curl route is the opposite of the comeback, with the wide receiver pushing up the field between a depth of 12 and 15 yards and breaking downhill at a 45-degree angle inside (or to the quarterback). Due to the size we see at the wide receiver position in today’s game, the curl route shows up consistently on Sundays and is often paired with a flat route (curl-flat combo).

Out (5): The out route (or deep out) again breaks between 12 and 15 yards, but the key is the initial split (or stem) of the receiver. This route requires room for the receiver to break and secure the catch while staying in bounds. Because of that, the receiver will either align at the bottom of the numbers or stem to the bottom of the numbers from a plus split to create enough room to complete the catch.


Dig (6): The dig (or square-in) is a deep, inside breaking cut with the receiver (or tight end) pressing up the field, sinking his hips and breaking back to the middle of the field between a depth of 12 and 15 yards. The key for the receiver is creating separation at the top of the stem by pinning the defensive back to the outside. A top concept in the intermediate passing game versus both zone and man coverage that caters to top-tier route-runners such as A.J. Green.
 

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The stem or breaking point of deep routes occur at 17-19 yrds by NFL standards a deep out that speed cuts at 17-19 yrds becomes 25-30 at point of catch.

a WR that gives up 6 yards of drift on outs would be cut.
that play would be undercut by any decent CB.
a yard or two is normal.
for greats like the kid in Pittsurgh he is actually recovering a yard and meeting the ball.

I was a highschool wr... collegiate safety.
in HS outs were 10 yards and we generally used one side of the field.

in college we didn't really use the exact concept because it was run and gun, and other combo concepts but out routes were generally 5 yards or 12 yards.
we spread the field with width moreso than depth.

Dak has an average NFL arm. More accuracy than power but enough arm strength to make all the plays.
Teams stacked all last year to stop the run and thus kill short passes or runs but it didn't matter because the Dallas OL was good enough to run anyway about 14 out of 17 weeks and the play action left gaps Dak took advantage of.
The fact Dak doesn't rely on his arm to win games is exactly why defenses are in trouble.
He's consistent, takes what's there and doesn't make mistakes.
 

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As was pointed out the so called book has 2 sides, Dak has learned as well and has seen different defensive schemes thrown at him. They say the game is moving fast for a rookie but then starts to slow down as they gain experience. All Dak has to do is continue to work hard and hit the film room as he has been doing and he will be fine.
 

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I'm one of the few who sees this comparison. Dak may have had more yards than Smith last year but Dak also had a better offensive line and running game than Smith.

This is actually the comparison to Dak that I always make. One of my best friends is a diehard Chiefs fan and he's made the comparison to me before too.

I obviously want to see what Dak does this season but if last season proves to be his style, he is Alex Smith. Protect the ball, short and quick passes, pull down and run...but not a make something happen guy like Romo, Favre, Rodgers, Luck, etc.

He protects the ball but can't necessarily open it up and take over a game. I think you can win with that guy when the team is constructed this way... but I think that guy is a system guy.
This is how Landry wanted Staubach to be but Roger was too much of a gunslinger to fit that mold.

We will see... but since last year is all we have to go off right now, this is a fair comparison.
He sure made things happen against Green Bay.
 

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There are 32 starting QBs do you think Dak velocity is more than these guys ? I think all these guys have more velocity.

Rogers, Brady, Big Ben, Ryan, Carr, Winston ( huge arm) , Bortles ( big arm poor accuracy ) Palmer, Mariota, Stafford, Flacco ( big arm Harbaugh likes to play it conservative) Brees, Dalton.

These are just a few guys I feel have more velocity. Lynch is going to have a big arm but has big wind up similar to Kap. Kap has a big arm but his wind up and release is slow. In my opinion Dak has below average velocity but that doesn't mean he can't be effective in our offense. By below average I mean he's not in the top 16 as far as velocity is concerned. I have him in the bottom 16 when it comes to velocity. No I don't believe he has an elite arm but he may have elite intangibles.
Romotil45--- after i responded initially to your post i went back and studied Daks arm and I
 

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There are 32 starting QBs do you think Dak velocity is more than these guys ? I think all these guys have more velocity.

Rogers, Brady, Big Ben, Ryan, Carr, Winston ( huge arm) , Bortles ( big arm poor accuracy ) Palmer, Mariota, Stafford, Flacco ( big arm Harbaugh likes to play it conservative) Brees, Dalton.

These are just a few guys I feel have more velocity. Lynch is going to have a big arm but has big wind up similar to Kap. Kap has a big arm but his wind up and release is slow. In my opinion Dak has below average velocity but that doesn't mean he can't be effective in our offense. By below average I mean he's not in the top 16 as far as velocity is concerned. I have him in the bottom 16 when it comes to velocity. No I don't believe he has an elite arm but he may have elite intangibles.
Romotil45---after i responded to you i went back and studied Daks arm and I MUST AGREE WITH YOU...Dak does not have the velocity i would like to see..plust it looks like
he is throwing "up hill' on his throwing motion...plus it appears he is not transferring his weight from back to front foot as seen from other QB's?..it seems he throws more with
his arm.... than..... arm and torque of hips?...actually i am concerned now after seeing this...does anyone else see these issues i brought up????
 
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