When you don't deploy a scheme that is creative

[NoLuv4Jerry]

That is an extremely self-serving approach to dealing with Garrett and unfair to him because he will never have the opportunity to prove those things through his own doing, again that's not how the front office operates. Since when is having steak at every position a bad thing and since when is it an operation of "need" rather than just good generalship by the GM?

Because in the salary cap era...you can't have steak at every position. You have to win with some bologna here and there. Dallas has had Dak on a cheap deal for 3 years. He has easily been the biggest bargain in the NFL. I am not the biggest Dak fan...but he wins! And his contract is almost up...so you have to PAY him the market rate. You have had him WAY below market for 3 years...that's more than most teams get from that position

 

[CowboysRule]

Because in the salary cap era...you can't have steak at every position. You have to win with some bologna here and there. Dallas has had Dak on a cheap deal for 3 years. He has easily been the biggest bargain in the NFL. I am not the biggest Dak fan...but he wins! And his contract is almost up...so you have to PAY him the market rate. You have had him WAY below market for 3 years...that's more than most teams get from that position

They've had to rebuild over that time though. They replaced their pro-bowl RB. Dak replaced a QB who had been playing at an MVP level when healthy. Their #1 receiver regressed to a #3 basically and was replaced. There have been all kinds of moving parts on defense. Basically new players at every position on D since Dak's rookie year. It's not like they've been sitting around doing nothing. They've been competitive, they just haven't been able to put it all together.

 

[JoeKing]

Because in the salary cap era...you can't have steak at every position. You have to win with some bologna here and there. Dallas has had Dak on a cheap deal for 3 years. He has easily been the biggest bargain in the NFL. I am not the biggest Dak fan...but he wins! And his contract is almost up...so you have to PAY him the market rate. You have had him WAY below market for 3 years...that's more than most teams get from that position

This is how a rookie contract structure works in the NFL. He's no different than any other player that was drafted. He'll get paid as will all the other players when they get past their rookie deal. You don't seem to be aware of the reality of the current expanding salary cap. It will allow for those that manage it correctly to pay all the steak you have. Your bologna theory is just that, a bunch of bolognas.

 

[Idgit]

They've been winning?

Yeah. Apparently more than any team in the NFC under Prescott. And more than any team in the NFL other than the Patriots (I think we passed the Steelers in that regard last year, but we might not have). In any event, yeah, we've been winning.

 

[Sydla]

Funny how all that matters is 'winning' until it comes time to give the organization credit for winning.

What has the organization won? They haven't gotten past the divisional round of the playoffs in two decades.

Why in the world would anyone give credit to the organization for "winning" when they have largely been a non-factor in the postseason for nearly 2 decades?

 

[Sydla]

Yeah. Apparently more than any team in the NFC under Prescott. And more than any team in the NFL other than the Patriots (I think we passed the Steelers in that regard last year, but we might not have). In any event, yeah, we've been winning.

LOL.

When do we get to raise the "Most Regular Season Win in the Last Three Years" Trophy?

 

[Idgit]

What has the organization won? They haven't gotten past the divisional round of the playoffs in two decades.

Why in the world would anyone give credit to the organization for "winning" when they have largely been a non-factor in the postseason for nearly 2 decades?

Games. Which, of course, was the metric we were using back when we weren’t winning so many games. Then it became playoff games. Now it’s conference championship games.

As for “why in the world,” call me crazy but I thought winning a lot of games was sort of relevant to a discussion about the quality of our scheme. And you would too, if thinking that didn’t lead to challenging what you want to believe already.

 

[Idgit]

LOL.

When do we get to raise the "Most Regular Season Win in the Last Three Years" Trophy?

It all depends what the topic is. For this topic, it’s sort of relevant that we win a lot of games.

 

[bsbellomy]

Which coach is available currently that can do this?

This is the worst and laziest possible response that I've heard. The Bears last year had a creative offense and did more with less than Dallas. Didn't they have a first year guy? The Rams hired a guy a couple years back named Sean McVay while Garrett was still a coach here. We can keep going down the line with coaches that have been hired in the last 5 or 6 years that run circles around Garrett offensively.

 

[Hennessy_King]

Yeah. Apparently more than any team in the NFC under Prescott. And more than any team in the NFL other than the Patriots (I think we passed the Steelers in that regard last year, but we might not have). In any event, yeah, we've been winning.

Unfortunately they have not won anything of significance. You keep that mediocre, everyone is special train rolling.

 

[Hennessy_King]

This is the worst and laziest possible response that I've heard. The Bears last year had a creative offense and did more with less than Dallas. Didn't they have a first year guy? The Rams hired a guy a couple years back named Sean McVay while Garrett was still a coach here. We can keep going down the line with coaches that have been hired in the last 5 or 6 years that run circles around Garrett offensively.

Ppl don't like change here for whatever reason. They want different results but don't want to replace JAG players and average at best coaches

 

[visionary]

Not sure what point you are trying to make. All I am simply saying is that we are WINNING moreso because of the talent of the players...vs the coaching. So IMHO...you have to PAY these guys you have leaned on HEAVILY to win. Because I don't think we have an advantage on the sidelines on Sundays. If this ORGANIZATION thinks we win because of the ORANIZATION....then don't re-sign Dak or Cooper or Zeke and lets see what happens. But before we do that...lets not forget that this organization though that RB we tabbed to start after we let Murray walk turned out to be anything BUT a starting NFL RB. Heck...he proved to not be someone who had what it took to be a RB. This is also the same organization that thought Kellen Moore was a better QB than Dak. And I truly believe Dak would not even be Dak if Kellen Moore had been healthy when Romo went down.

He has no point
He’s a Garrett apologist whose only agenda is to deflect blame from Garrett

 

[Jarv]

Cassell also took over mid-season in a completely new offense with players he had never played with before. Not exactly the same situation. In either case, our offense does need to be changed. Hopefully Moore can help with that.

Didn't he also say he couldn't find any coaches to help him?

 

[ShortRound]

You could have posted this in the Romo era and it would have applied. We have to root for players overcoming the coaching, or a miracle from Kellen Moore

 

[Idgit]

Unfortunately they have not won anything of significance. You keep that mediocre, everyone is special train rolling.

Lol. Games are actually significant in this league. It's how you get to these championship games we all want to talk about.

I recognize that that fact doesn't fit in well with the particular pity party you want to have in each and every thread, but that's cool. Throw in your reference to mediocrity. Maybe make a comment how far the team and the fanbase have fallen. There will be other threads where we can talk about what actually needs to change to get the team over the divisional playoff hump where it's actually relevant to the topic at hand.

 

[Idgit]

He has no point
He’s a Garrett apologist whose only agenda is to deflect blame from Garrett

I blame Garrett where he deserves blame. Not from stupid arguments that he only wins games because his team is so good.

 

[Sydla]

Games. Which, of course, was the metric we were using back when we weren’t winning so many games. Then it became playoff games. Now it’s conference championship games.

As for “why in the world,” call me crazy but I thought winning a lot of games was sort of relevant to a discussion about the quality of our scheme. And you would too, if thinking that didn’t lead to challenging what you want to believe already.

You continue with this false narrative. People didn’t just argue games. They argued postseason success, which we had zero since we often didn’t even win enough games to make the postseason.

Back up your claim that all people cared about back then was regular season wins.

 

[Sydla]

It all depends what the topic is. For this topic, it’s sort of relevant that we win a lot of games.

Not really because the postseason exposes flawed schemes and coaching. Because in the postseason you typically face the better teams and in that setting there is a premium on quality coaching, scheme adjustments, etc.

 

[Keithfansince5]

I have been saying this for years. Everyone's ire is directed at the WRONG person(s). The head coach and architect of this offense is where the REAL problem lies. When your philosophy is be BETTER than the man in front of you....it requires that you have the best players...and when those players are successful...you have to PAY them. You can't be New England when it comes to contract time...and decide what positions you are NOT going to pay...when you are Dallas all the other times.

You don't want to pay a RB? Then don't draft him top 5....run him on 1st and 2nd down...then throw it to him on 3rd...or ask him to pass protect....then decide the position is NOT that important!

You don't want to pay a WR?...then don't fail miserably when deploying WR by committee....make a mid season trade for a "#1 WR"....have your season take off...then decide you don't want to pay for a "#1 WR"!

You don't want to pay a QB? Then don't look like a high school offense every time Romo got hurt...then after another Romo injury...your 4th round rookie 3rd string QB saves your job(Garrett)...and goes on to make the playoffs 2 out of 3 years....then decide he is not that good!

The truth is...Garrett is NOT that good...he needs the best players to win...and the best players COST MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Show me where "they" do not want to pay him???? Does signing an agreement have any merit to you? It appears to not. It sure as heck doesn't seem to with athletes. They signed a contract for X number of years. It isn't hey I think I am worth more now than I did when I signed so I am going to pout, and selfishly hold out till I get my way. Waahhhh. These kids are babies not grown men. In grown men I am not referring to their bodies, but their character.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I have been saying this for years. Everyone's ire is directed at the WRONG person(s). The head coach and architect of this offense is where the REAL problem lies. When your philosophy is be BETTER than the man in front of you....it requires that you have the best players...and when those players are successful...you have to PAY them. You can't be New England when it comes to contract time...and decide what positions you are NOT going to pay...when you are Dallas all the other times.

You don't want to pay a RB? Then don't draft him top 5....run him on 1st and 2nd down...then throw it to him on 3rd...or ask him to pass protect....then decide the position is NOT that important!

You don't want to pay a WR?...then don't fail miserably when deploying WR by committee....make a mid season trade for a "#1 WR"....have your season take off...then decide you don't want to pay for a "#1 WR"!

You don't want to pay a QB? Then don't look like a high school offense every time Romo got hurt...then after another Romo injury...your 4th round rookie 3rd string QB saves your job(Garrett)...and goes on to make the playoffs 2 out of 3 years....then decide he is not that good!

The truth is...Garrett is NOT that good...he needs the best players to win...and the best players COST MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

which coaches have won without best players? outside of Bilicheck, who has had Brady (GOAT), Gronk and eddlemen….and pretty good OL...