Where is our missing pass rush?

[Stautner]

Demarcus Ware looked very average. If that.

Agreed - though it seemed like he was working much harder and much more effectively in coverage and stopping the run than last year. At least in the 1st half .... the 2nd half was bad all the way around.

 

[Cbz40]

Number 1: IT'S ONE GAME .....don't be a fair weather fan - wait and see how it plays out as the season progresses.

Number 2: Who are the proven pass rushers on this team? You seem to think we have Lawrence Taylor and Julius Peppers, when what we really have is an older veteran LB (Ellis) who has had moderate success as a pass rusher while playing another postion, and a 2nd year player (Ware) who has yet to establish himself as a consistent pass rushing presence.

Number 3: Roy and some of the LB's did blitz yesterday, it just didn't garner much results.

Number 4: If the players can't beat opponents one on one on any semi-consisent basis, an elaborate blitzing package ends up being a smoke and mirrors attempt to mask deficiencies.

BOTTOME LINE: Perhaps the coaches could have done more and made some calls that would have helped, but the players still have to go out and make plays - and that didn't happen. The biggest impact in the game is player execution, not game time coaching decisions.

1. I've never been a fair weather fan in my life & I'll call it like I see it
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2. Well maybe it's time the coaces find out who can be a consistent pass rusher. If there isn't one on the team well maybe we haven't drafted as well as we all seem to think we have. Aren't the coaces paid to teach tecnique...Ware has the speed and moves....coach him up.

3. Well try a few different blitz packages for the safeties and LBs maybe you will get results.

4. I see what you are saying....but if plan A isn't working shouldn't you have a plan B in place.. Smoke & mirrors, Ummmm.....well we seem to have been doing that for years trying to cover our deficiencies on the OL. Why not D.

The Smoke & mirror plan got us the #1 D in 2003.

Bottom Line we are in our 2nd year playing the 3/4 D it should not have to be a game time coaching decision. We should have a plan A, B, & C in our game plan plus the best coaches are those that can make adjustments.

 

[Concord]

Demarcus Ware looked very average. If that.

For the love of God Ware needs to get some more moves.

Quit trying to bullrush...It's not working.

I watched Freeney doing his beautiful spin moves last night and I thought If only Ware could do something like that.

 

[Stautner]

1. I've never been a fair weather fan in my life & I'll call it like I see it
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2. Well maybe it's time the coaces find out who can be a consistent pass rusher. If there isn't one on the team well maybe we haven't drafted as well as we all seem to think we have. Aren't the coaces paid to teach tecnique...Ware has the speed and moves....coach him up.

3. Well try a few different blitz packages for the safeties and LBs maybe you will get results.

4. I see what you are saying....but if plan A isn't working shouldn't you have 1a plan B in place.. Smoke & mirrors, Ummmm.....well we seem to have been doing that for years trying to cover our deficiencies on the OL. Why not D.

The Smoke & mirror plan got us the #1 D in 2003.

Bottom Line we are in our 2nd year playing the 3/4 D it should not have to be a game time coaching decision. We should have a plan A, B, & C in our game plan plus the best coaches are those that can make adjustments.

1. I'm sure you aren't a fair weather fan, and I apolize for the comment, but I will say that one game is a little early to declare our defense a problem this year, and I'm calling that as I see it.

2. Who says the coaches aren't trying to find who is a consistent pass rusher? And who says we even have one? As for Ware, I agree he has the speed, but to say he has the moves is probably questionable. At this point it is possible that we haven't drafted as well as we think - but then again we may have. The thing I'm saying is that potential and production aren't necessarily the same thing, and coaching can only make up for so much. For now we just don't have the evidence the pass rush talent is there.

3. I'm not sure how many blitz packages we have or threw at Jacksonville, but I'm sure that the hope is that we don't have to live and die by the blitz. Let's not forget that the blitz can also leave a team very vulnerable to big plays, so a constant stream of blitzes isn't an ideal thing. Nevertheless, perhaps we need more blitzes and a better variety, and if the team continues to have problems rushing the QB then perhaps we will adjust accordingly. Once again, it's still just the 1st game.

4. Yes, we have been trying to cover deficiencies in the O-line for years, and we see how successful that has been. Do you really think that's a good model for our defense? But I will have to concede you are right about the 2003 defense - those who hate Zimmer should look at that season and realize that was a masterful smoke and mirror job.

Bottom line for me is let's see how it plays out. Frankly this was a bad game all the way around and I hope (and trust) that adjustments will be made and things will improve.

 

[THUMPER]

... When we did blitz, it was the same thing as always - everyone runs into each other and goes nowhere. So frustrating.

That's how Zimmer designes them apparently since we have been doing it that way since he became the DC. "OK, now when you blitz, run as fast as you can into the guy in front of you! It doesn't matter if it's one of their guys or ours, just trust me on this, it'll work!"

Zimrod! :bang2:

 

[Chief]

You just called CBZ a fair weather fan. Seriously, I know you mean well but you should be around here a little longer before you go and call people fair weather fans.

I was thinking the same thing.

Newby. :bang2:

 

[Stautner]

I was thinking the same thing.

Newby. :bang2:

Piping up without reading my response is just as bad - perhaps you should take the time as will.

 

[Clove]

On a side note, other than the passrush, I thought that the DLINE was absolutely dominant.

Spears/Ferguson/Canty/Ware and Ellis played lights out in the running game. I am concerned about our inside guys, they rarely got off of their blocks.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I have never been on the GROZ movement, but Dallas can not rebuild a rebuilt defense. Cant fire all the players so I would fire Zimmer in a heart beat. He has to take much of the heat for the underwhelming performance.

I refuse to give the players a free pass, you cant fire all the players but you can fire the coach.

so fire Bill Parcells?

 

[YosemiteSam]

On a side note, other than the passrush, I thought that the DLINE was absolutely dominant.

Spears/Ferguson/Canty/Ware and Ellis played lights out in the running game. I am concerned about our inside guys, they rarely got off of their blocks.

I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Our inside guys. Ferguson/Ratliff are our inside guys (2 Nose tackles) They generally don't see to many stats they only fill gaps. (though Ratliff got a sack!) As for our inside linebackers they were 2nd and 3rd in tackles. Ayodele (7) tackles and James had (5) tackles and (1) assist.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You just called CBZ a fair weather fan. Seriously, I know you mean well but you should be around here a little longer before you go and call people fair weather fans.

that's your only response to him?

 

[Clove]

I'm not sure I understand what you are talking about. Our inside guys. Ferguson/Ratliff are our inside guys (2 Nose tackles) They generally don't see to many stats they only fill gaps. (though Ratliff got a sack!) As for our inside linebackers they were 2nd and 3rd in tackles. Ayodele (7) tackles and James had (5) tackles and (1) assist.

The DLine played lights out in the running game. They constantly stacked the line, and rarely did a runner have a burst from the original LOS. And when most of the running player were stopped, they were stopped at the LOS by Spears/Ellis/Canty/Ferguson and the new LT in Ware.

Last year, the DLINE wasn't making most of the stops at the line, and I'm just saying that after rewatching it, I was pleasantly surprised to see our 3 studs stack the line most of the day.

 

[Stautner]

that's your only response to him?

Geez - don't eny of you go back and read or do you just consider yourselves extensions of each other. I already adressed this issue in 2 separate posts.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Geez - don't eny of you go back and read or do you just consider yourselves extensions of each other. I already adressed this issue in 2 separate posts.

uh, I think you should read my response again

it was addressing him only replying to 1 of your points, a very insignificant one at that, which bodes well for the effectiveness of your original reply

in short, I was giving you props

 

[Mash]

Our pass rush has been pathetic since well....hmmm...butch davis left....Campo was a bend but dont break defense....Zimmer the disciple of Campo..........and Bill were never aggressive coaches....Bellichek was the mastermind of his defense blitz packages......Never underestimate assitant coaches.

Bill and his coaches are concervative.....field position....special teams.....

I think we have a talented defence.....so many years we heard excuses that how can Zimmer and co makes chiken soup with chicken ****?

Well the time has come......we have weapons on offence.....we have a talented young defence......lets see if the coaches put these players in position to succeed.


On a side note......Yes Charles Haley was a difference maker....I have heard that Ware can also be one.....But I never seen Haley drop into coverage.

I think what put the Cowboys over the top in the early 90's was Norv Turner....he put very talented players in position to succeed.

JMHO

 

[Stautner]

uh, I think you should read my response again

it was addressing him only replying to 1 of your points, a very insignificant one at that, which bodes well for the effectiveness of your original reply

in short, I was giving you props

ahhh - I apologize - i misunderstood your meaning.

Sorry, I guess being the newby I've got a more defensive mindset than I should.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The DLine played lights out in the running game. They constantly stacked the line, and rarely did a runner have a burst from the original LOS. And when most of the running player were stopped, they were stopped at the LOS by Spears/Ellis/Canty/Ferguson and the new LT in Ware.

Last year, the DLINE wasn't making most of the stops at the line, and I'm just saying that after rewatching it, I was pleasantly surprised to see our 3 studs stack the line most of the day.

Oh, yeah, the defense did a great job against the run. A few break downs, but overall they limited them to 2.4 yards per carry. That is always great! They just didn't cover so well later in the game...

 

[gbrittain]

that's your only response to him?

Well, in all honesty. Like I said earlier, I think the original poster meant well and he even came back and made everything right with CBZ.

However, at the time once I read that CBZ was a fair weather fan I did not read the rest and considering that was #1 on his list you will realize I did not get too far down his post.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Well, in all honesty. Like I said earlier, I think the original poster meant well and he even came back and made everything right with CBZ.

However, at the time once I read that CBZ was a fair weather fan I did not read the rest and considering that was #1 on his list you will realize I did not get too far down his post.

ah, a case of overreaction, typical :

 

[gbrittain]

so fire Bill Parcells?

Well, I do not remember reading that I said fire BP. If you are claiming that BP is ultimately responsible for a defense that does not know how to rush the passer then yes at some point I would want Bill Parcells gone.

Obviously, we are in the middle of the season now and there is no way I would make a change like that.

Lets assume however that Dallas by week 16 still has not figured out how to get to the QB then yes, I would be ok will Bill Parcells riding out of town.

This is the defense that BP built via Free Agency and the draft.