CFZ Where Patience is Warranted and Where it Is Not

[ArtClink]

Such a bad take

2007 could have been our year if not for Romo's fumbling.

2014 could have been our year if not for Dez's catch being ruled incomplete.

2016 was a greatly constructed roster.

2021 was another great roster but as usual the team wasn't prepared or disciplined after committing 14 penalties.

2022 Dak couldn't get the job done against a great SF defense.

Point being is that Jerry has put together a lot of good teams, but it's incredibly difficult to win a Superbowl let alone get there.

What a terrible take by the OP.

I thought he was going to say it's time to move on from Fehoko at WR instead of the very original everything is Jerry Jone's fault.

And Jerry is very loyal to his players and staff, unlike most owners who treat their players as objects. But

And then he praises the team and coaching staff that has been put together this season right after criticizing the old man

Such a terrible take.

“2014 could have been our year if not for Dez's catch being ruled incomplete.”

Considering there was just shy of 5:00 remaining on the clock, our defense couldn’t make a stop when they had to (post Dez catch for example), and the Pack just needed a FG to win with arguably the best two min QB of all time, I doubt very seriously if we would have won. Romo still had five min to choke.

 

[Rockport]

Don’t confuse facts (ie 28 yrs of playoff irrelevance) with hate. It wasn’t hate, it was truth. Hate is an emotion. Important distinction to be sure.

An emotion that leads to terrible decisions like you’ve made giving up on the team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Here’s where some patience is warranted around here:

• 22 year old rookies who haven’t even played a regular season game yet deserve some patience.
• Some developmental players who may take more than a year to be what we hoped they would be.

Here where patience is NOT warranted:

• Our 80 year old owner/GM who has had 28 years to at least win a divisional round playoff game or get us to a conference championship game and hasn’t.
• Maybe this year is the year. We certainly are capable with a good roster and good coaches.

I believe the young men who are busting their butts right now to get better as football players deserve patience. The old man in the owners box? I don’t think a single Cowboys fan is wrong to be sick of watching his tired act spout “uhs” by the dozens in unnecessary interviews and general self centered-ness that has at times undermined our coaches.

As a life-long educator who spent decades teaching and working with young people, my colleagues and I used to have a phrase we used a lot: “Don’t ever give up on a kid. Adults have had time to know better”.

Losing patience over things that are out of your control seem a fool's errand to me.

In education particularly as a high level administrator has a lot of control on outcomes. Railing against Jerry being owner is as useful as yelling at clouds.

 

[plymkr]

Jerry is the face, voice, personality, GM, and owner. Jerry has been the 1 consistent entity of the entire organization since 1989. If any fan is unhappy with how the team has performed in the last 27 years then there’s only one man to blame. If we win a title this season then Jerry gets the credit.

I am unhappy with how the team has performed the last quarter century and that’s Jerry’s fault because things are being done his way.

I think all the chatter about Mazi, Dak, coaching,etc is all an extension of the brutal honesty that since Jerry took over the player/personnel from Jimmy the quality of teams and the product on the field has declined and in some years been flat out embarrassing.

 

[Loso86]

Here’s where some patience is warranted around here:

• 22 year old rookies who haven’t even played a regular season game yet deserve some patience.
• Some developmental players who may take more than a year to be what we hoped they would be.

Here where patience is NOT warranted:

• Our 80 year old owner/GM who has had 28 years to at least win a divisional round playoff game or get us to a conference championship game and hasn’t.
• Maybe this year is the year. We certainly are capable with a good roster and good coaches.

I believe the young men who are busting their butts right now to get better as football players deserve patience. The old man in the owners box? I don’t think a single Cowboys fan is wrong to be sick of watching his tired act spout “uhs” by the dozens in unnecessary interviews and general self centered-ness that has at times undermined our coaches.

As a life-long educator who spent decades teaching and working with young people, my colleagues and I used to have a phrase we used a lot: “Don’t ever give up on a kid. Adults have had time to know better”.

Lmao what about the players who get paid BIG bucks to play but keep letting us down more the JJ!? Lol what about patience there

 

[T-RO]

Losing patience over things that are out of your control seem a fool's errand to me.

In education particularly as a high level administrator has a lot of control on outcomes. Railing against Jerry being owner is as useful as yelling at clouds.

This. And though I often agree with the criticisms...it gets really boring to rehash over and over again.

the product on the field has declined and in some years been flat out embarrassing.

Dallas has in fact had the league's 6th best win-loss records over the past seven years. Playoff futility is a pain point absolutely, but the team has been far from "embarrassing."

 

[ArtClink]

An emotion that leads to terrible decisions like you’ve made giving up on the team.

“Giving up” vs acknowledging that the Jerry factor won’t change are very different things.

 

[CouchCoach]

Being impatient with how this team is run is wasted energy because it is not changing, even when the patriarch goes toes up. Best to avoid exposure to him and the lucky sperm.

I think a lot of members were way too confident about Mazi Smith and I think he thought this transition would be smoother and it hasn’t been, it’s been tough. Well, now he knows and we will see how he responds but it is way too early to call him a bust.

 

[Rockport]

“Giving up” vs acknowledging that the Jerry factor won’t change are very different things.

Same thing.

 

[plymkr]

Dallas has in fact had the league's 6th best win-loss records over the past seven years. Playoff futility is a pain point absolutely, but the team has been far from "embarrassing."

So you didn’t think the Dave Campo Quincy Carter years was embarrassing. Three straight 5-11 seasons. That’s embarrassing. I did not say every season was embarrassing. I said the talent level has declined since Jerry started doing things his way and in some years the talent was flat out embarrassing.

 

[noshame]

Jerry needs a little more time. Ever since he came out with I'm doing everything from jocks to socks, then came out with his jock on backwards.
It's taken a while to recover.

 

[Rayman70]

Here’s where some patience is warranted around here:

• 22 year old rookies who haven’t even played a regular season game yet deserve some patience.
• Some developmental players who may take more than a year to be what we hoped they would be.

Here where patience is NOT warranted:

• Our 80 year old owner/GM who has had 28 years to at least win a divisional round playoff game or get us to a conference championship game and hasn’t.
• Maybe this year is the year. We certainly are capable with a good roster and good coaches.

I believe the young men who are busting their butts right now to get better as football players deserve patience. The old man in the owners box? I don’t think a single Cowboys fan is wrong to be sick of watching his tired act spout “uhs” by the dozens in unnecessary interviews and general self centered-ness that has at times undermined our coaches.

As a life-long educator who spent decades teaching and working with young people, my colleagues and I used to have a phrase we used a lot: “Don’t ever give up on a kid. Adults have had time to know better”.

well said. ALL OF IT. Maybe the sycophants that want we fans to accept mediocrity as the new norm(repackaged as winning) , should read what you wrote here. Its a learning statement. I like it because its true..

 

[Rayman70]

Jerry needs a little more time. Ever since he came out with I'm doing everything from jocks to socks, then came out with his jock on backwards.
It's taken a while to recover.

Does Jerry operate in Dog years? How much time is enough?

 

[Rayman70]

Hey look, another BobHaze against vs Joneses thread. I'm sure it will get lots of likes, as we all like to vent against the Man, and BH always sets a nice table.

The same criticisms, most valid, will get repeated for the 10,000th time. People will learn nothing. Nothing will change.

and whats the lesson we are to learn otherwise? Be quiet? Question nothing? Accept things as they are because its a "great thing"..ie they "could be worse?" If this is the case, my oh my how the standards have fallen.

 

[JD_KaPow]

Yeah. He’s been through 2 PS games and a TC. He may be less than what we expected but I’m still mystified by the reactions. But hey fans are entitled to whatever opinions they have.

Jalen Tolbert is a terrific success story, a guy who's completely turned it around after a lost rookie season. He's a great reminder that young players develop at different rates and we have to be patient, a lesson I'm going to take to heart.
Mazi Smith is an absolute bust. He will turn out to be the worst draft pick any team has ever made in the history of the draft. They should cut him yesterday.

 

[noshame]

Does Jerry operate in Dog years? How much time is enough?

25 years ago on a different forum there used to be a guy who basically called Jerry every name in the book, and said he was totally useless. Everybody on the website hated the guy.

turns out he was pretty close, LOL.

 

[Bobhaze]

Lmao what about the players who get paid BIG bucks to play but keep letting us down more the JJ!? Lol what about patience there

While I do think too many fans here are a little short fused and impatient about player development, I do believe long time Cowboys fans have earned the right to feel impatient about this organization’s lack of ability to even get us to a conference championship game. On that, I am admittedly impatient.

But on 22 year old rookies…and general player development, patience is needed. I could agree that veterans on big contracts don’t warrant as much grace as a rookie. On the other hand, with the 80 year old owner/GM and the playoff results he has brought for nearly 3 decades, I believe patience is not warranted.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Here’s where some patience is warranted around here:

• 22 year old rookies who haven’t even played a regular season game yet deserve some patience.
• Some developmental players who may take more than a year to be what we hoped they would be.

Here where patience is NOT warranted:

• Our 80 year old owner/GM who has had 28 years to at least win a divisional round playoff game or get us to a conference championship game and hasn’t.
• Maybe this year is the year. We certainly are capable with a good roster and good coaches.

I believe the young men who are busting their butts right now to get better as football players deserve patience. The old man in the owners box? I don’t think a single Cowboys fan is wrong to be sick of watching his tired act spout “uhs” by the dozens in unnecessary interviews and general self centered-ness that has at times undermined our coaches.

As a life-long educator who spent decades teaching and working with young people, my colleagues and I used to have a phrase we used a lot: “Don’t ever give up on a kid. Adults have had time to know better”.

we really think that uhh uhhh haze you're great at uhh uhhhhhhhhhh what you do in your profession, and uhhh uhhh that really uhhhhh uhhh means a lot to thi football team lol

 

[Bobhaze]

we really think that uhh uhhh haze you're great at uhh uhhhhhhhhhh what you do in your profession, and uhhh uhhh that really uhhhhh uhhh means a lot to thi football team lol

Uh, uh, Thank you Coogs….and I’m smiling when I say that.

 

[DFWJC]

So if they dont win the SB, its not all the 53 players and dozen or more coaches, but on the owner

Interesting

Also, the owner doesn't get any credit for the winning before selected time frame, only whatfollowed

hmmm

So this year, what will be the blame on the owner
didn’t fire the scouts?
didnt fire the head coach?
didnt overrule draft pick selections?
didnt pay players enough?
didnt catch enough passes, block or tackle well enough (at 80), kick better, etc?
what will put it all on him?