Where Romo Ranks all-time as Captain Comeback (and complete success story)

[DallasEast]

Players would fight to the absolute last second for Roger Staubach
Same could not be said for the other quarterbacks after aikman

^ This I agree with 100%. It is an intangible that I cannot prove but I do believe it is partially due to a degree with players perception of split leadership as well. And I am not talking about quarterback leadership but the head coach/owner dynamic leadership that has existed since the mid 1990's.

That four quarter, season long grit has steadily waned since the last remnants of Jimmy Johnson-influenced teams and Super Bowl XXX. Sure. Teams have put together 'will not quit under any circumstance' performance during that timespan but it has been very sporadic in nature.

I just think it is not supremely influential for players to not see their head coach as their ONLY leader. Barry Switzer provided enough glue during his time but since then it has been Jones/Chan Gailey, Jones/Dave Campo, Jones/Bill Parcells, Jones/Wade Phillips, Jones/Jason Garrett and now Jones/Mike McCarthy. It feels like rosters (and coaches for that matter) have not gone all-out throughout any given season, even the playoff seasons since 1996.

Again, I cannot prove anything. However, it would not surprise me if players are playing for both the head coach and Jones. Maybe not equally but it does not matter to me. Player focus should center completely on their head coach in my opinion. Post-Johnson head coaches have had their sideline spotlight dulled somewhat by Jones' constant shadow. True leadership does not shine its brightest in shade.

 

[CowboyFrog]

^ This I agree with 100%. It is an intangible that I cannot prove but I do believe it is partially due to a degree with players perception of split leadership as well. And I am not talking about quarterback leadership but the head coach/owner dynamic leadership that has existed since the mid 1990's.

That four quarter, season long grit has steadily waned since the last remnants of Jimmy Johnson-influenced teams and Super Bowl XXX. Sure. Teams have put together 'will not quit under any circumstance' performance during that timespan but it has been very sporadic in nature.

I just think it is not supremely influential for players to not see their head coach as their ONLY leader. Barry Switzer provided enough glue during his time but since then it has been Jones/Chan Gailey, Jones/Dave Campo, Jones/Bill Parcells, Jones/Wade Phillips, Jones/Jason Garrett and now Jones/Mike McCarthy. It feels like rosters (and coaches for that matter) have not gone all-out throughout any given season, even the playoff seasons since 1996.

Again, I cannot prove anything. However, it would not surprise me if players are playing for both the head coach and Jones. Maybe not equally but it does not matter to me. Player focus should center completely on their head coach in my opinion. Post-Johnson head coaches have had their sideline spotlight dulled somewhat by Jones' constant shadow. True leadership does not shine its brightest in shade.

I think it could have alot to do with what players where brought here during both coaches tenure, Landry and Johnson looked for fighters. Also just the player dynamic back in the 70's was diferent.. you fought for the colors and they seriously didn't like the rivals...diferent time really.

 

[DallasEast]

I think it could have alot to do with what players where brought here during both coaches tenure, Landry and Johnson looked for fighters. Also just the player dynamic back in the 70's was diferent.. you fought for the colors and they seriously didn't like the rivals...diferent time really.

Yes but Landry's players did not have a Jones personality floating over them 24/7. Johnson was the undisputed dominate influence over his teams also.

I agree with your take but other teams have solidified their resolves during certain seasons. They fought for their colors despite not holding grudges with their rivals or once-upon-a-time-in-a-previous-era rivals. And they have fought with tremendous grit all season.

Even other teams that did not reach the postseason had those almost tangible resolves. It has been strong enough to feel in person or through a television screen. It is something I have not felt from Dallas teams throughout any season since the mid-1990's.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Yes but Landry's players did not have a Jones personality floating over them 24/7. Johnson was the undisputed dominate influence over this teams also.

I agree with your take but other teams have solidified their resolves during certain seasons. They fought for their colors despite not holding grudges with their rivals or once-upon-a-time-in-a-previous-era rivals. And they have fought with tremendous grit all season.

Even other teams that did not reach the postseason had those almost tangible resolve. It has been strong enough to feel in person or through a television screen. It is something I have not felt from Dallas teams throughout any season since the mid-1990's.

I agree

 

[Blackrain]

^ This I agree with 100%. It is an intangible that I cannot prove but I do believe it is partially due to a degree with players perception of split leadership as well. And I am not talking about quarterback leadership but the head coach/owner dynamic leadership that has existed since the mid 1990's.

That four quarter, season long grit has steadily waned since the last remnants of Jimmy Johnson-influenced teams and Super Bowl XXX. Sure. Teams have put together 'will not quit under any circumstance' performance during that timespan but it has been very sporadic in nature.

I just think it is not supremely influential for players to not see their head coach as their ONLY leader. Barry Switzer provided enough glue during his time but since then it has been Jones/Chan Gailey, Jones/Dave Campo, Jones/Bill Parcells, Jones/Wade Phillips, Jones/Jason Garrett and now Jones/Mike McCarthy. It feels like rosters (and coaches for that matter) have not gone all-out throughout any given season, even the playoff seasons since 1996.

Again, I cannot prove anything. However, it would not surprise me if players are playing for both the head coach and Jones. Maybe not equally but it does not matter to me. Player focus should center completely on their head coach in my opinion. Post-Johnson head coaches have had their sideline spotlight dulled somewhat by Jones' constant shadow. True leadership does not shine its brightest in shade.

Great post brother and all true in Rogers day Tom Landry was the last word he instilled discipline from a military background Roger Staubach followed suit and made his players believe in the clutch that their best efforts would never go to waste .

Roger would never put himself or his statistics ahead of team success

His teammates admired him to a level that I don't think any other player in cowboys history has ever achieved they would walk through the fire and play way over their heads for him

 

[Blackrain]

And a big part why Romo or any of these Cowboys have these careers because of Roger and what he did on that field.

Totally agree and I saw it played out in the moment which gives you a true understanding of what a clutch player really is and how he can motivate his teammates to do things they would normally not be able to do.

An intangible that's hard for many young fans to grasp because they haven't seen anyone with that type of power over their teammates in a long time.

Roger Staubach made America's team and made the position of quarterback for the Dallas cowboys the most prestigious position in football.

 

[Blackrain]

I think it could have alot to do with what players where brought here during both coaches tenure, Landry and Johnson looked for fighters. Also just the player dynamic back in the 70's was diferent.. you fought for the colors and they seriously didn't like the rivals...diferent time really.

Amen my cowboy brother no one was exchanging jerseys or hugs with the Commanders or eagles I couldn't even imagine that back then.
Now these kitty cats don't have the kind of loyalty that those hardcore players from the seventies had

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Totally agree and I saw it played out in the moment which gives you a true understanding of what a clutch player really is and how he can motivate his teammates to do things they would normally not be able to do.

An intangible that's hard for many young fans to grasp because they haven't seen anyone with that type of power over their teammates in a long time.

Roger Staubach made America's team and made the position of quarterback for the Dallas cowboys the most prestigious position in football.

I agree. Long before my time but I’ve seen what Roger represents in the respect he gets and it’s up there with the best on and off the field. He’s just Mr Cowboy to me. Irvin will always be my favorite but Roger is who I think about when Cowboys are mentioned.

 

[Blackrain]

How Old is t r o anyway did he actually watch the 71 super bowl in the moment not some replay . in the moment.

Feeling of accomplishment was unequaled after suffering the year before with Craig Morton throwing three interceptions Bob Lilly so distraught he threw his helmet and finally Roger Staubach playing mistake-free football and taking us to the Pinnacle watching Bob Lily sack Bob Griese for a 24-yard sack.
Mike ditka catching a touchdown pass it's not the same after the fact you have to watch it in the moment to feel the true greatness of what happened and how great these men were.

 

[Blackrain]

We had years of coming up short against the colts in the ice bowl inches short

Roger Staubach came in and fixed all that we were no longer next year's champions we were champions he saw to it.
You cannot put a value on what he meant to the Dallas cowboys franchise.

Tony Romo was a good quarterback. End of story. There is no comparison between the two quarterbacks as to what one meant to the franchise compared to the other they are not even in the same league.

If you watched both of them play it's a no brainer. One absolutely made the franchise what it is the other one just cradled it in limbo.

 

[Blackrain]

Romo's battle with cancer is going to have to wait while crush more stupidity.

How about we look at Roger's first successful Super Bowl run.

Did Roger dazzle? Did he carry the Cowboys to victory? Pshaw. It was 100% the Dallas defense.

Cowboys points allowed in 71-72 Super Bowl run:
Vikings, just 12 points
49ers, only 3 points
Dolphins, only 3 points in Super Bowl

Was Roger special?
10-14, 99 yards vs Vikings
9-18, 103 yards vs. 49ers
12-19, 119 yards vs. Dolphins

Danny White, Quincy Carter or Cooper Rush could have led the Cowboys to victories in these games! Roger was the beneficiary of a great defense and a great coach.

This definitely gets smacked glass post of the week was Roger special in that super bowl
He couldn't have been he just got the MVP for having a subpar performance.

PS. T r o let's get into Rogers rushing ability compared to Tony's.

I'll give you a clue for starters Rogers playoff rushing yardage was within range of what Tony had in his whole career .

No he wasn't special at all.
He could just win in the playoffs when it mattered

Lolol

 

[T-RO]

Anyone who wont admit Roger and Troy had WAY and i cant stress this enough WAY better teams than any of the other QB's this franchise has had is kidding themselves...of course they are both great QB's but the teams around them were far and away the best teams this franchise has ever seen.

And that's exactly my point in bringing up the '71-2 Cowboys playoff run.

While we are at it how about we peek in on Roger's other Super Bowl season, 1977?

 

[T-RO]

The 1977 Cowboys defense was more dominant in its playoff run than any other in NFL history. No good quarterback needed here.

-Permitted only 8 points per game over 3 playoff games
-Perhaps more importantly they created 6.3 turnovers per game!!! That's no typo! Doomsday generated 7 in the divisional round, 4 in the NFC championship, then 8 turnovers in the Super Bowl.

The Cowboys also easily out-rushed their opponents in the 3 games, with a tally of 546 to 268 yards.

Total Team dominance. Obliteration! For Roger it was just a little bus driving!
WRs averaged less than 5 catches per game, as the modest passing game was punctuated by screens and short passes to backs and tight ends.

With the defense creating nearly as many turnovers as points allowed...Clint Longley, Quincy Carter, or Cooper Rush would have ridden to an easy championship, and all the acclaim and status that always comes with it.

 

[T-RO]

Roger drove the bus in that '77 playoff run. Often rode it. Staubach was OK, which is all he needed to be. No pressure on him to do much. Dallas Defense and running game were the stars of the show

Staubach playoff stats in '77
8-13-134...... 1 1
12-23-165.... 1 1
17-25-183.... 1 0

 

[T-RO]

That's what I said earlier. Romo could have won a SB with those great Cowboy teams of the 90's if he would have sacrificed his stats and played like Aikman did. Aikman was all for the team. The only time I saw Romo do that was in 2014 when he let Murray rush for all those yards.

These quarterbacks aren't calling their own plays.

 

[T-RO]

How about getting back to Tony's battle with untimely interceptions

Roger had a lower interception rate than Roger, and in the playoffs?

Romo: 0.3 interception per game
Staubach: 1 interception per game

 

[T-RO]

Mike ditka catching a touchdown pass it's not the same after the fact you have to watch it in the moment to feel the true greatness of what happened and how great these men were.

Your posts tell the story. You were young, it was your first Super Bowl win, and your every recollection is bathed in nostalgia. It's euphoria to win it all! That's great, but it's not objective when it comes time for critique. Your posts are flooded with emotion, not objectivity.

That "true greatness" Ditka touchdown? The game had already been decided by the defense. It was 17-3. There was zero pressure. It was a 7 yard completion and Mike was wide open. That's an easy pass, bro...and an easy catch.

We as fans all do it. We replay these things in our mind, and each time they are more infused with glory. We even put halos around our fav players and teams.

 

[Blackrain]

You're right my post do tell the whole story it was our first super bowl win there had only been six super bowls of course it was a big deal we lost championships with other quarterbacks.

The whole story is Roger Staubach made it to super bowls and won super bowls.

Romo did not win any super bowls nor did he even make it to one he didn't even make it to an NFC championship game.

He did a great job of compiling statistics.
How old were you when Roger won that super bowl and don't avoid the question.

 

[T-RO]

In the 1973 playoffs...when Dallas defense wasn't dominating, and the team really needed Roger to lift the team...

Staubach produced this stinker:
10-21
89 yards
0 TD
4 interceptions

Vikings: 27, Cowboys 10

 

[Blackrain]

In the 1973 playoffs...when Dallas defense wasn't dominating, and the team really needed Roger to lift the team...

Staubach produced this stinker:
10-21
89 yards
0 TD
4 interceptions

Vikings: 27, Cowboys 10

How old were you answer the question