Where Romo Ranks all-time as Captain Comeback (and complete success story)

[DandyDon52]

1. This is ****not**** a Romo vs Dak debate. Thanks for playing.
2. Dak, Tony, and all other quarterbacks generally only have high level repeat success in "big situations" against the best teams if they have good head coaches, good defenses and surrounding offensive talent. Dak and Tony haven't had that.That, is rationality, yet it surprisingly baffles some people.

Yes I was about to say that.
Neither one had a good HC or defense, esp romo.
Dak the last 2 years has had a good defense, and a decent HC though, and he still did about the same thing.

 

[DandyDon52]

lol. Roger Staubach would not have lasted until the second round of the draft.

My friend. Do you know who Staubach was in college?

Allow me to put it this way. Football Writers Association of America named Staubach as the starting quarterback of its 75th Anniversary All-American Team.

Staubach's military commitment is the technicality in your assumption.

yeah only dallas was willing to wait for him, and it paid off for them.

 

[Runwildboys]

I don’t think near as many fans would bash him if he was a first round pick. I’ve seen way too many fans use his 4th round draft position against him. There was a thread recently, showing all the QBs that have reached the Super Bowl the past decade or so and they were all either first or second round picks except for Russell Wilson, who was a third round pick. Fans have been complaining for years that we need to use a first round pick on a QB if we want to find one. When Dak has a bad game fans complain he looks like what is a 4th round pick. It’s another reason he gets compared to Kirk Cousins a lot because they both were 4th round picks. His draft position has given fans a lot of ammo to find things bad about them.

There's no way to know for sure, but I think higher expectations would yield bigger disappointment.

 

[KJJ]

There's no way to know for sure, but I think higher expectations would yield bigger disappointment.

The fact of the matter is Dak has been really good, even if he was a first round pick. He earned one of the biggest contracts in the league, because he developed into a franchise QB. He’s out played several QBs that were drafted in the top five the past few years. He’s put up some excellent numbers over his career, and his winning percentage is better than many of the QBs in the league. He’s already won as many playoff games as Romo in less time. He’s on pace to become the Cowboys all time leading passer. No way would a majority of the fans wanted him benched during his rookie season when Romo was ready to play had he been a first round pick. They would’ve been extremely excited that we were winning games with our top draft pick. Fans are a lot more forgiving of a player when you invest a first round pick on them.

They know there’s going to be some bumps and growing pains with a QB that’s been thrown in as a rookie. Most saw what happened to Troy Aikman early on, but fans weren’t dogging him because we invested the number one overall pick on him. They see a lot more good in a player, especially a QB when they’re drafted high, than a QB drafted in the fourth round. They don’t want a first round QB to fail, because of what you invested in them. Fans pull against Dak, because they want him to fail so the team will invest a first round pick on what they claim will be a real QB. Time and time again Dak’s 4th draft status has been used against him here. He wasn’t on any of the fans radar when we drafted him. I’ve never seen a Cowboys player the fans have found more things wrong with simply because of their draft status than Dak.

 

[T-RO]

Roger Staubach would not have lasted until the second round of the draft.

My friend. Do you know who Staubach was in college?

Allow me to put it this way. Football Writers Association of America named Staubach as the starting quarterback of its 75th Anniversary All-American Team.

Staubach's military commitment is the technicality in your assumption.

Duh. And with all that Roger wasn't drafted until round 10. You'd think some team would have grabbed a Heisman QB in the first 3 rounds, even with uncertainty and delay.

The crux of the argument was this spurious notion that Quarterbacks must be 1st round picks to succeed. As I already crushed with these examples:

-6th round Tom Brady, GOAT
-Joe Theismann had to spend 3 years with Toronto Argonauts to earn cred before playing for Washington
-HOF Warren Moon? undrafted
-HOF Kurt Warner? undrafted
-HOF Bart Starr? 17th round pick (wouldn't have been drafted in modern era)
-Danny White? Just a third round pick

 

[DallasEast]

Duh. And with all that Roger wasn't drafted until round 10. You'd think some team would have grabbed a Heisman QB in the first 3 rounds, even with uncertainty and delay

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Okay.

 

[CowboyRoy]

That Denver game is a classic example in the difference in the way Romo is judged vs Dak.

If Dak threw that interception it would have been Escobar's fault for not "crossing the face of the receiver", it would have been the o-line's fault because the throw was made under pressure and of course it would have been the defenses fault for forcing the offenseh to put up 50 to win.

Hard to argue with the evaluations of Mike Martz. AS hard as you try.

 

[T-RO]

So you have more than symptoms ? you’re a full fledge Romo troll as I figured .
carry on !
I’ll just add you to list of people that I selectively listen too

I can understand how traumatic it must be to have one thread over the last three years dedicated to former player Tony Romo.

Go ahead...dump one of this forum's best Dak supporters. (That's me)

 

[T-RO]

Forgive me all. I'm struggling to get back to Tony's battle with cancer. Pledge to try to tell the story this weekend.

 

[starfan1]

I can understand how traumatic it must be to have one thread over the last three years dedicated to former player Tony Romo.

Go ahead...dump one of this forum's best Dak supporters. (That's me)

One thread he says ! Romo is in multiple threads per week

Traumatic ?no way neither qb to me is anything special .they are good not great and Dak is about 5th on my list of team’s favorite players so I hold them in about same light .

I have just argued that Dak should get the same excuses from a team standpoint that Romo has had.

Neither in my opinion deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as aikman and especially Roger . I could even mention Danny as well

Tony and Dak play in different eras so their statistical output is gonna be higher

And frankly I don’t care enough about either qb to go digging for statistical reasons to rationalize why they should be mentioned in same breath

I watched all 5 qbs play and I may have them ranked 4 th and 5 th of the QBs mentioned in this post

Both Romo and Dak are and we’re frustrating qbs for different reason but their lack of team success fall specifically on the buffoon in the press box. Neither is solely responsible despite what knuckleheads on this site will tell you

Skelator has ruined this once proud franchise

Now continue on with your I love Romo crusade sir enjoy your journey

 

[CowboyFrog]

This is comedy gold.

Staubach was drafted in the 10th round, which means he wouldn't have been drafted at all in the 7 round draft era.

Undrafted Hall of famers Drew Pearson and Cliff Harris also say hello.

I mean Roger was drafted late for a good reason, he would not be here for 4 years.. if not for his military commitment he would've been an early 1st rounder if not the 1st pick. Roger was not some unknown QB out of eastern Ill. state......thats kinda skirting the grey using his draft spot as an example.

 

[Blackrain]

Duh. And with all that Roger wasn't drafted until round 10. You'd think some team would have grabbed a Heisman QB in the first 3 rounds, even with uncertainty and delay.

The crux of the argument was this spurious notion that Quarterbacks must be 1st round picks to succeed. As I already crushed with these examples:

-6th round Tom Brady, GOAT
-Joe Theismann had to spend 3 years with Toronto Argonauts to earn cred before playing for Washington
-HOF Warren Moon? undrafted
-HOF Kurt Warner? undrafted
-HOF Bart Starr? 17th round pick (wouldn't have been drafted in modern era)
-Danny White? Just a third round pick

You would think that you would be smart enough to understand that he had a four-year military commitment not a four year enlistment playing badminton.
Things happen to guys during military service that may render them not in the physical condition when they come out as when they went in.
But forgive me you're so encumbered trying to manifest some historical significance to romo's career that that probably slipped your mind
.

 

[T-RO]

Romo's battle with cancer is going to have to wait while crush more stupidity.

How about we look at Roger's first successful Super Bowl run.

Did Roger dazzle? Did he carry the Cowboys to victory? Pshaw. It was 100% the Dallas defense.

Cowboys points allowed in 71-72 Super Bowl run:
Vikings, just 12 points
49ers, only 3 points
Dolphins, only 3 points in Super Bowl

Was Roger special?
10-14, 99 yards vs Vikings
9-18, 103 yards vs. 49ers
12-19, 119 yards vs. Dolphins

Danny White, Quincy Carter or Cooper Rush could have led the Cowboys to victories in these games! Roger was the beneficiary of a great defense and a great coach.

 

[T-RO]

Roger completed just 3 passes to his wide receivers in the '71-2 NFC Championship game. Just 4 in that Super Bowl.

Cowboys just rode their great defense. When your defense allows just 6 points a game, as it did in those playoffs, quarterbacking sure gets easy.

 

[T-RO]

Little digging shows that not only did Dallas allow just 6 points a game...

DOOMSDAY D GENERATED 10 TURNOVERS in the 3 playoff games.

I could have been the QB and Dallas would have won the Super Bowl that season. They just played defense...and pounded Thomas, Garrison and Hill.

 

[Runwildboys]

Romo's battle with cancer is going to have to wait while crush more stupidity.

How about we look at Roger's first successful Super Bowl run.

Did Roger dazzle? Did he carry the Cowboys to victory? Pshaw. It was 100% the Dallas defense.

Cowboys points allowed in 71-72 Super Bowl run:
Vikings, just 12 points
49ers, only 3 points
Dolphins, only 3 points in Super Bowl

Was Roger special?
10-14, 99 yards vs Vikings
9-18, 103 yards vs. 49ers
12-19, 119 yards vs. Dolphins

Danny White, Quincy Carter or Cooper Rush could have led the Cowboys to victories in these games! Roger was the beneficiary of a great defense and a great coach.

What were the defense against which he played like?

I like Romo too, but Roger the Dodger was not the mediocre QB you're trying to make him seem.

 

[T-RO]

What were the defense against which he played like?

I like Romo too, but Roger the Dodger was not the mediocre QB you're trying to make him seem.

Not saying Roger was mediocre. But he didn't need to do anything much at all for the Cowboys to win through that first Super Bowl playoff run. Didn't need to play special, and as I'm re-watching those games...I see that, frankly, he didn't.

Roger just drove the bus on the few passes where he was called on. There are only a handful of downfield throws. Most of the quarterbacks of any era can win when your defense is blanking the opponent and making turnovers rain down from the sky.

 

[Blackrain]

Roger did what he was told to do by coach Landry it wasn't that he couldn't pass he was told to rely on the run game and didn't opt out of it to bolster his statistics.

Roger threw no interceptions in that playoff run. He did what his coach told him to do protected the football and won us our first super bowl a feat that no one else had done yet.

For you to minimize Roger's efforts in our first super bowl run in an attempt to bolster Tony romo's place in history is truly classless and disgusting.

 

[T-RO]

For you to minimize Roger's efforts in our first super bowl run in an attempt to bolster Tony romo's place in history is truly classless and disgusting.

Your mythology, a house of cards, is falling apart. I see why you are upset.

 

[Blackrain]

Roger Staubach through two touchdown passes in that super bowl did Romo ever throw any more than two touchdown passes in any playoff game not that he ever got to a super bowl.