Where should Byron Jones play?

[endersdragon]

Safety right next to Ramsey. Keep Carr at CB for the time, and draft King next year to eventually replace him. There, secondary done.

 

[Craig]

I like him as a fs and fortunately that seems to be his position when all are healthy.

 

[MonsterD]

My gripe with Ramsey is simple and has been consistent all along.

If he is not a master of one role, he is not much good to this scheme which is fairly rigid at times.

Same with Myles Jack. Almost the exact same rationale, but yet it gets mistaken for "hate".

Our defensive scheme will never be capable of making him into the player he was at FSU when he was playing safety.

That is the dynamic player, not the corner in 2015. Ramsey made a lot of plays rushing, blitzing and so on. That is the player that he should be.

Dallas supposedly wants to make him a cornerback.

Perhaps if Marinelli leaves and Eberflus takes over he tries something different.

What is strange to me is the real bonifde Tampa 2 had the safeties as being genuine playmakers, the CBs not so much so. Of course we are not running the Kiffin old school one, but I recall they use to pick up a CB in the 5th or 6th round and he could start in that old Tampa 2.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

You prefer him at CB?

I don't at all. He had a lot of rough patches when he was on the perimeter.

I prefer him at safety also.

But he was a rookie. Of course he had rough patches.

 

[Alexander]

What is strange to me is the real bonifde Tampa 2 had the safeties as being genuine playmakers, the CBs not so much so. Of course we are not running the Kiffin old school one, but I recall they use to pick up a CB in the 5th or 6th round and he could start in that old Tampa 2.

Those Tampa defenses had ball-hawking traits that were aided by interior pressure from Sapp.

Notice in Chicago, Marinelli had next to no pressure inside and then had what amounts to a bunch of Jeff Heaths like Chris Conte playing safety for them, and it cost them big time.

And no, it is not so easy to assume he never got the talent he wanted there. I think he looks for certain things, and if a player shows the aptitude to get what he wants, much like Hayden, they hang around forever.

 

[Philmonroe]

I'd be shocked if he isn't starting FS week 1. He seemed a lot more comfortable there, and got burnt with some regularity as cb.

Yeah I don't know what tape or games OP been watching regarding bold

 

[rpntex]

I watched every game and looked at the stats from last year and IMO Jones is a corner and probably a very good one. I understand that last year they moved him around to try and figure out where he fits. I understand that line of thinking but I think Jones is a Corner and that's where he should play. They should let him compete for one of the starting corner spots and go from there instead of sticking him in various positions at different times. I think a lot of people are thinking Claiborne is the starter but I just don't see him beating Jones out of that spot. Another thing, I wouldn't try to make a safety out of Byron Jones. I just don't think that's a good fit for him. Let him cover the really good players and use his great athletic ability. I understand that training camp will sort these things out but you never know. What do you think?

Jones struggled a lot at corner last year. He's a safety, and I don't think it's even close.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Free Safety, right next to a Strong Safety who jumps out of the screen at you.

 

[RJ_MacReady]

- If we don't draft Ramsey? FS. Wilcox sucks in space (from coverage to tackling angles).

- If we take Ramsey? CB. Jones is the better, more natural man-coverage option on the perimeter, while Ramsey is the better FS, zone CB option, IMO. Not only that, but while Jones can "get it done" when it comes to tackling, Ramsey tackles like a FS should. He is more text book in squaring up when he has to against a downhill runner in the off-chance that the SS can't make the play.

Jones is a physically gifted inside/outside CB that matches up well with ANY big WRs/TEs in man coverage. Ramsey is a rangy, zone DB that anticipates, dominates with athleticism in his space and makes breaks on the ball (yeah yeah...3 INTs). Call it stone hands (which Scandrick was labeled with early), but he had so many dropped it's ridiculous. He makes plays on the ball when his eyes are facing the QB.

Bottom line, that while I think Jones is exceptional at moving all around in the backfield, I feel that Ramsey is one of the most sure-fire, impactful FS to come out of the draft in years.

 

[9darter]

Not a good enough FS. Not a good enough CB.

Just another 1st round DB selection to regret. Overrated and overdrafted based on measurables.

Now prepare for his twin Ramsey. This time at #4 overall.

 

[Bocephus]

At free safety next to Karl Joseph

 

[Chuck 54]

Jones and Ramsey can both excel at either position. That is extremely valuable in today's NFL. Teams are looking for hybrid players...LB's who can thump, play sideline to sideline, and excell in coverage; DE's who can set the edge, Rush the QB, and drop in coverage; a DB who can play outside, inside, press, play off, and on 3rd and long or in the prevent can play center field or blitz.

Jones wasn't burned last season due to his ability, but due to mental mistakes by a rookie.

You get the best players you can gather on the team and then Jones plays the position that allows you to get your best guys on the field. It's not always about his best position; that's why teams love versatile guys. If Ramsey, Carr, Mo, and Scandrick are healthy performing CBs, Jones plays safety. If we draft a DE or RB at 4 and Mo under performs or Scandrick struggles, Jones plays CB. The same is true for Ramsey. IF CB is solid with those guys and maybe another young guy steps up, you may see Ramsey and Jones both playing CB, but you have options from week to week.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You prefer him at CB?

I don't at all. He had a lot of rough patches when he was on the perimeter.

He did, although he was moved around a lot due to injuries and incompetence from our other corners. One week he would be playing Free Safety, the next week he would be playing corner against the team's best receiver. I think he can be a good FS, but I think he has a better feel for the CB position.




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[Jenky]

Not a good enough FS. Not a good enough CB.

Just another 1st round DB selection to regret. Overrated and overdrafted based on measurables.

Now prepare for his twin Ramsey. This time at #4 overall.

After 1 season you surely don't know that. A huge % of DBs struggle during their first season. I do think we're playing with fire with constantly moving him around.

If I had to pick, FS is his role.

 

[Jenky]

He did, although he was moved around a lot due to injuries and incompetence from our other corners. One week he would be playing Free Safety, the next week he would be playing corner against the team's best receiver. I think he can be a good FS, but I think he has a better feel for the CB position.




YR

Just another perspective. I don't think he's fluid enough for CB. He seems very smart which is more of a S trait.

 

[conner01]

Not a good enough FS. Not a good enough CB.

Just another 1st round DB selection to regret. Overrated and overdrafted based on measurables.

Now prepare for his twin Ramsey. This time at #4 overall.

Any fan that can call a players career after his rookie year should be in vegas, just give up your internet guru job and get rich

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Just another perspective. I don't think he's fluid enough for CB. He seems very smart which is more of a S trait.

I can see that to a degree, but he has the smarts and speed to make up for it.

Also, when you're switching between Safety and CB like he did, the footwork is different and the learning curve increases.

I would like to see him used a bit in the way that Woodson was used...plays safety and then mans the slot corner position. Although Woodson was doing that when slot WR's were not the threats they are today, but Byron is a far better athlete. Then we can stick him on star TE's and big WR's like we did with Gronk.

That's the one thing that excites me about Ramsey...he comes off like a Byron clone and having two of them with their versatility, athleticism and tackling ability allows us to do a lot of different things in the defensive backfield.







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[BlindFaith]

Jones and Ramsey can both excel at either position. That is extremely valuable in today's NFL. Teams are looking for hybrid players...LB's who can thump, play sideline to sideline, and excell in coverage; DE's who can set the edge, Rush the QB, and drop in coverage; a DB who can play outside, inside, press, play off, and on 3rd and long or in the prevent can play center field or blitz.

Jones wasn't burned last season due to his ability, but due to mental mistakes by a rookie.

You get the best players you can gather on the team and then Jones plays the position that allows you to get your best guys on the field. It's not always about his best position; that's why teams love versatile guys. If Ramsey, Carr, Mo, and Scandrick are healthy performing CBs, Jones plays safety. If we draft a DE or RB at 4 and Mo under performs or Scandrick struggles, Jones plays CB. The same is true for Ramsey. IF CB is solid with those guys and maybe another young guy steps up, you may see Ramsey and Jones both playing CB, but you have options from week to week.

The first sensical post in this thread. Thank you for the breath of fresh air.

 

[BlindFaith]

Just another perspective. I don't think he's fluid enough for CB. He seems very smart which is more of a S trait.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2016/4/...scouting-report-2016-nfl-draft-film-breakdown

Great breakdown of Ramsey's game.

 

[DeaconMoss]

You prefer him at CB?

I don't at all. He had a lot of rough patches when he was on the perimeter.

This. Hes a FS. Ramsey will play the SS.