Where'd all the crybabys go?

[DLCassidy]

Oh yeah really everyone knows that a team dominates at the line of scrimage because of the play calling. Its remarkable how when the right play is called the offensive line suddenly blocks all their assignments and the defensive line starts getting in the opposing QBs face.

Who is kidding who here when your players execute their assignments a team will win a large majority of the time, A Cowboy fan need to look no farther than the 90's Super Bowl teams. Everyone knew that team was going to run and play a ball control game but they couldn't stop it because of the execution...........

Well put. We lost the majority of the battles at the LOS against the Raiders. We won them against the Eagles. There just MIGHT be a conection of how we fared on both sides of the ball.

Football is an emotional game. You'd love to put the emotion of yesterday in a bottle and bring it out once a week. But you can't. That's why winning consistently in this league is so hard. It's hard to maintain an evel keel because it's hard to win when your emotions are not at a high pitch. NE has it right. Respect your opponents. Prepare as hard as you can for each game. Then move on to the next one. Sounds easy but it isn't particularly for a team with a lot of young guys playing. That's where Parcells has to shine. Let's beat NY.

 

[dragon_mikal]

Yea...I posted that we would get our butts handed to us if we came out with the same gameplan we used against Oakland.

I said that we needed to come out firing and keep attacking the Eagles defense without getting too conservative.

I was right.

 

[Nors]

Miki - Billsgloomers having a rough go at it - eh?


Dallas on pace 9-7 to 10-6 season

Bledsoe on pace for 33 TD's, 10 ints 4500 yards 62% completions!

Defense attacking and getting Sacks, pressure.

Clocked and I mean CLOCKED the Eagles!

Go Dallas! Chicken littles go away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jimz31]

You guys that are saying that the "crybabies" were wrong are the ones that are wrong....and it's laughable.

The "Crybabies" had it right from the get-go.

Aggressive game-planning works.....playing to WIN works.

Conservative game-planning is dangerous....playing not to lose sucks!

Kudos to all who predicted this and are now called "crybabies". I am proud to be called one....it shows how right I am!

 

[Nors]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36897


Attack advocates noted.

The gloomers line up!

 

[Doomsday101]

You guys that are saying that the "crybabies" were wrong are the ones that are wrong....and it's laughable.

The "Crybabies" had it right from the get-go.

Aggressive game-planning works.....playing to WIN works.

Conservative game-planning is dangerous....playing not to lose sucks!

Kudos to all who predicted this and are now called "crybabies". I am proud to be called one....it shows how right I am!

I have no issue with that as much as I do with the fans hollering to fire a coach or get rid of a player after 4 weeks.

 

[kdog]

It undoubtable was a sweet victory, however Take a look at the two games side by side. DAL vs OAK: OAK 8 men in the box w/ run blitz DAL RUN and RUN often. EAG 7 man front DAL Run formation and we pass and pass often!

The iggles figured we would be just as predictable instead we pass on last weeks ineffective run plays leaving the iggles corner one on one with glen TD! TD! suddenly they switch to a cover two DAL seam plays to witten and crossing patterns by wide receivers 1ST down setting up scoring drives.

Simply put we change our same old boring ways and the iggled are lost! Low and behold we run a 4 man front, we stunt and send a few creative blitzes and we pressure mcnabb! VICTORY! yes! the coaches made the changes and we were effective.

HOW! is that jumping off the band wagon simply asking for more creative play calling and opening up the playbook. Is parcell above and beyond reproach I think not. He allowed his coaches the oppotunity to shine and they did a fine job!

 

[Kangaroo]

Last week we had a bunch of chicken littles saying the season is over. yada yada, there was a ton of threads complaining and whining about bp and everything under the sun. so what do you guys think now? BP coached an amazing game, the D was great, offense was aggressive and great, we did everything well.

1st you should not be name calling because you where right if it went the other way you be lurking with your tail between your leg for acting like an arse you and the lot that posted and called people names because we thought they would lose is plain stupid and you show that you lack any discpline. Look I am not about being touchy feely but there is a difference between touchy feely and respect for other people show a little and you get a little.

Now on about being wrong I posted this yesterday because I said I would own up if I was wrong.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37241

 

[Hiero]

i said the oline would gel and wow they looked great. the coaching was a bit more aggressive, but thats not why we won. we won because the players really came together, and the defensive was swarming to westbrook and mcnabb all over the field. give the young guys time, a lot of younguns showed a good deal today.

im not really directing this thread towards the people who were mad about the 3 runs and field goal, moreso towards the people who were saying our d sucks, bledsoe sucks, fire parcells etc. being angry about not being aggressive enough is a lot different in my mind than just downright saying our season is over and our coaches suck

 

[Boy's fan in Giant land]

I'm just extremely happy we won the way we did. Haven't been posting much lately. I get depressed enough when we blow a game we should've won without comming in here and reading all the totally overblown negativity. Fire this guy or that guy. So and so needs to be benched. And on and on. This place is enough to make a guy want to put a gun barrel in his mouth after a loss & 95% of it is pure bs anyway.

I've been a die hard fan for 36 years and I did not see us comming away with a win on this one. Damned if I was going to put it on the board though. That'd be like priming the carburator for the inevitable crapstorm a loss would've given us.

Way to go Cowboys. Prove to us you can do it again next week against the Giants. Then the rest of the league will have to admit we're for real. Something I've known all along.

 

[jem88]

ya same here. just wanted to get rid of that sky is falling attitude on the board. this win is huge for morale and the rest of the season like I thought it would be. big momentum to win the next 3 games are very winnable, and we should win them all. 6-2 yes please!

Well when we do start winning the 'winnable' games on a regular basis, then we'll be a great team. For now, we are a very up and down team. For me, it gets very old seeing these 'where are all the crybaby fans now?' posts? I was so happy seeing the results in the paper today (unfortunately I missed probably the most momentous victory of recent times!!), but I had to steel myself for the inevitable smug, 'I told you so' posts.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

If you are saying that the 90's Cowboys were just as imaginative as the first quarter 2005 COwboys then you really need to dig out some old game tapes. The 90's Cowboys took shots down the field and early.

I have every game tape from 92 and 93 I don't have to go back and look at them I know how the Cowboys played then and I remember now. The fact is the Cowboys would take their first possession and use a 10 to 15 play drive and score a touchdown. They would consume most of the first quarter, They would then play a balanced gameplan usually resulting in more runs than passes .

While the offense would take enough shots down the field to keep the defense honest, the fact is Irvin always kidded (and still does) that he would get the ball into the red zone and Emmitt would get the TDs. If they were taking so many shots where were Irvin's TDs?

And during Super Bowl XXVIII at the start of the second half, after Washington returned the fumble for the TD and Dallas took the lead. The Cowboys held the Bills took possession of the ball and promptly marched down the field by giving Emmitt the ball 11 out of the 12 plays. They did the same thing their next possession, seems in the most important game of the year the Cowboys weren't taking shots down the field.

The fact is the Cowboys of the 90's were a conservative team, hey some defensive coordinators even said our offense was the equivalent of a high school football teams. But because of superior talent and execution other teams couldn't stop them. If you think that is not the truth then you need to get some tapes out and look at them, the Cowboys ran a offense which didn't shift used very little motion and little misdirection.

The truth is gameplans are important but are sometimes given more credit than they deserve, because without execution and talent a gameplan is a moot point. Another thing all the self appointed experts fail to realize is that had Parcells thrown all these long passes against the Raiders in a non conference game then they sure a heck wouldn't have surprised Philly then would they.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well when we do start winning the 'winnable' games on a regular basis, then we'll be a great team. For now, we are a very up and down team. For me, it gets very old seeing these 'where are all the crybaby fans now?' posts? I was so happy seeing the results in the paper today (unfortunately I missed probably the most momentous victory of recent times!!), but I had to steel myself for the inevitable smug, 'I told you so' posts.

Well just like the "crybabies" are more than welcome to come here and post, so are the "I told you so folks". One is really no better or no worse than other. And both need to be respectful and keep in mind that we are all Cowboy fans at heart.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I have every game tape from 92 and 93 I don't have to go back and look at them I know how the Cowboys played then and I remember now. The fact is the Cowboys would take their first possession and use a 10 to 15 play drive and score a touchdown. They would consume most of the first quarter, They would then play a balanced gameplan usually resulting in more runs than passes .

While the offense would take enough shots down the field to keep the defense honest, the fact is Irvin always kidded (and still does) that he would get the ball into the red zone and Emmitt would get the TDs. If they were taking so many shots where were Irvin's TDs?

And during Super Bowl XXVIII at the start of the second half, after Washington returned the fumble for the TD and Dallas took the lead. The Cowboys held the Bills took possession of the ball and promptly marched down the field by giving Emmitt the ball 11 out of the 12 plays. They did the same thing their next possession, seems in the most important game of the year the Cowboys weren't taking shots down the field.

The fact is the Cowboys of the 90's were a conservative team, hey some defensive coordinators even said our offense was the equivalent of a high school football teams. But because of superior talent and execution other teams couldn't stop them. If you think that is not the truth then you need to get some tapes out and look at them, the Cowboys ran a offense which didn't shift used very little motion and little misdirection.

The truth is gameplans are important but are sometimes given more credit than they deserve, because without execution and talent a gameplan is a moot point. Another thing all the self appointed experts fail to realize is that had Parcells thrown all these long passes against the Raiders in a non conference game then they sure a heck wouldn't have surprised Philly then would they.

Nice post.

The fact is our Landry teams (especially those of the Danny White era) were far more aggressive when it came to throwing the football than the Cowboys teams of the early 90's were.

 

[ghst187]

the problem with you calling us all out is that the coaches finally did what we've been screaming to do all season and guess what...it worked!
I wasn't one saying our season was over but I was pretty furious about the poor play calling on both sides of the ball. I was ready to have the head of Zimmer and Payton but they bought themselves a reprieve for at least a week....hopefully they've seen the light and will no longer go back to their criminal ways...

 

[FolsomCowboy]

I have every game tape from 92 and 93 I don't have to go back and look at them I know how the Cowboys played then and I remember now. The fact is the Cowboys would take their first possession and use a 10 to 15 play drive and score a touchdown. They would consume most of the first quarter, They would then play a balanced gameplan usually resulting in more runs than passes .

While the offense would take enough shots down the field to keep the defense honest, the fact is Irvin always kidded (and still does) that he would get the ball into the red zone and Emmitt would get the TDs. If they were taking so many shots where were Irvin's TDs?

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In Alvin Harpers hands? I never said they scored on bombs, they did throw longer than a 15 yard route before halftime tho, and I will stick to that

And during Super Bowl XXVIII at the start of the second half, after Washington returned the fumble for the TD and Dallas took the lead. The Cowboys held the Bills took possession of the ball and promptly marched down the field by giving Emmitt the ball 11 out of the 12 plays. They did the same thing their next possession, seems in the most important game of the year the Cowboys weren't taking shots down the field.
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Funny you dont mention SB XXVII when they took numerous shots down the field and were succesful.I guess that wasnt an important game.

The truth is gameplans are important but are sometimes given more credit than they deserve, because without execution and talent a gameplan is a moot point. Another thing all the self appointed experts fail to realize is that had Parcells thrown all these long passes against the Raiders in a non conference game then they sure a heck wouldn't have surprised Philly then would they.

Oh this is pure genius, "we didnt unleash the offense cause we were saving it for Philly". So I guess what you are saying is, if the Cowboys execute they should be able to run the ball every play and be successful, playcalling has zero to do with it, well heck lets just lineup the O line and practice one play.
I dont think everyone was advocating "long passes", but a little variety would help keep the defense off balance, but of course that doesnt matter since if you are a really good team you should be able to just "execute"..unbelievable

 

[Next_years_Champs]

Oh this is pure genius, "we didnt unleash the offense cause we were saving it for Philly". So I guess what you are saying is, if the Cowboys execute they should be able to run the ball every play and be successful, playcalling has zero to do with it, well heck lets just lineup the O line and practice one play.
I dont think everyone was advocating "long passes", but a little variety would help keep the defense off balance, but of course that doesnt matter since if you are a really good team you should be able to just "execute"..unbelievable

While I don't think that the Jimmy Johnson coached teams held plays in reserve it was a fact that Tom Landry never showed his entire playbook until the last month of the year or the play-offs. Bill Parcells is a Landry disciple and it is obvious he believes in holding something in reserve. So do people like Belicheck and Gibbs. So yes the "pure genius's" of the NFL do keep plays in reserve for the key games at the end of the year. Even a casual fan should know that.

And in Super Bowl XXVII which was a blow out and was that the reason I didn't mention it, the Cowboys passed 30 times and ran 29 times. Irvin had 6 catches for 117 yards and a long of 25 yards. But the reason I talked about XXVIII was because with a 1 point lead (which they had just gained) about half way through the 3rd quarter and the game still up for grabs the Cowboys handed the ball to Emmitt 11 of the next 12 plays.

Or how about the Giants game at the end of the season, the winner wins the NFC east and the loser goes home. The Cowboys kept handing the ball to Emmitt with the entire season on the line, I'm pretty certain that didn't surprize the Giants but they couldn't stop it.

I also noticed you didn't comment on the known fact that some coaches and players said the 90's Dallas didn't run anymore plays than a high school football team. Doesn't take a complex game plan to impliment a simple offense.

Look I'm not going to continue this pointless argument with you, perhaps Parcells will continue to throw long but I doubt it. I think he will seek a balance and try to be a team which uses the run to control the game just like the overwhelming number of championship coaches do. That is a proven fact but even if he does continue throwing the long passes the next game where the players don't block and tackle regardless of the gameplan the results will be similar to the Raiders game.

 

[FolsomCowboy]

While I don't think that the Jimmy Johnson coached teams held plays in reserve it was a fact that Tom Landry never showed his entire playbook until the last month of the year or the play-offs. Bill Parcells is a Landry disciple and it is obvious he believes in holding something in reserve. So do people like Belicheck and Gibbs. So yes the "pure genius's" of the NFL do keep plays in reserve for the key games at the end of the year. Even a casual fan should know that.

And in Super Bowl XXVII which was a blow out and was that the reason I didn't mention it, the Cowboys passed 30 times and ran 29 times. Irvin had 6 catches for 117 yards and a long of 25 yards. But the reason I talked about XXVIII was because with a 1 point lead (which they had just gained) about half way through the 3rd quarter and the game still up for grabs the Cowboys handed the ball to Emmitt 11 of the next 12 plays.

Or how about the Giants game at the end of the season, the winner wins the NFC east and the loser goes home. The Cowboys kept handing the ball to Emmitt with the entire season on the line, I'm pretty certain that didn't surprize the Giants but they couldn't stop it.

I also noticed you didn't comment on the known fact that some coaches and players said the 90's Dallas didn't run anymore plays than a high school football team. Doesn't take a complex game plan to impliment a simple offense.

Look I'm not going to continue this pointless argument with you, perhaps Parcells will continue to throw long but I doubt it. I think he will seek a balance and try to be a team which uses the run to control the game just like the overwhelming number of championship coaches do. That is a proven fact but even if he does continue throwing the long passes the next game where the players don't block and tackle regardless of the gameplan the results will be similar to the Raiders game.

So you claim BP tanked the Raiders game so he could beat Philly?

As for SBXXVIII

"On defense, Buffalo put two defenders on each of the Cowboy wide-outs and, instead of mounting a consistent pass rush, had its front line concentrate more on stopping Smith's cut-back running. Dallas was disrupted by these adjustments. Aikman, coming off a concussion against San Francisco, was not particularly sharp in the first half, but the Cowboys continued to call medium and deep patterns, asking him to throw into double coverage. Dallas had plenty to worry about at halftime, particularly that 13-6 deficit. "We were a bit too one-dimensional and they started doing a great job of putting some pressure on me," Aikman said. Smith went up to offensive coordinator Norv Turner and said, "Get me the ball." Turner didn't argue. "I always do what Emmitt says," Turner quipped. "But some of this was my fault. I was trying to be balanced on offense with my play-calling and I was forcing some passes that really weren't there."

This is why they ran Emmitt, after SBXXVII Buffalo wasnt gonna let Aikman beat them. But I dont think Oakland was double covering our WR's and I dont think JJ told Sean Payton, "get me the ball".

In SBXXVII Dallas rushed 24 times and passed 34 times (4 of the rushes were scrambles out of the pocket)

 

[DLCassidy]

I'm just extremely happy we won the way we did. Haven't been posting much lately. I get depressed enough when we blow a game we should've won without comming in here and reading all the totally overblown negativity. Fire this guy or that guy. So and so needs to be benched. And on and on. This place is enough to make a guy want to put a gun barrel in his mouth after a loss & 95% of it is pure bs anyway.

Good stuff.:laugh2: