Where's Waldo (Owens)

[MarionBarberThe4th]

The Ravens.

I love Newsome but not getting a WR w/ some playmaking for years was a mistake.

1 year deal and draft Golden Tate

Flacco, Golden Tate, Ray Rice

 

[Hook'em#11]

Day Two,

TO still sucks.

He will stay in Buffalo.

Oh yeah, and he STILL SUCKS.AND is washed up.

But, in his 14 season and since he is 36 going on 12, like his apologists, he will still play "thinking" he brings a difference nowadays.


Nice odds there.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

The Ravens.

I love Newsome but not getting a WR w/ some playmaking for years was a mistake.

1 year deal and draft Golden Tate

Flacco, Golden Tate, Ray Rice

Are you suggesting that the Ravens would entertain bringing in Owens after he left them at the alter in 2004?

I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if Owens is unemployed in 2010.

 

[zrinkill]

They PRAY that he doesn't go to a team with a good qb. I promise you that!

But? But? ..... I thought Owens made people good QB's ...... at least that is what your ***** **** **** said about Romo.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Braveheart thats all one can truly ask for. A chance. A few more wins and a playoff appearance. Nothing is guaranteed in the playoffs, but being there gives you a chance. Everyone counted the jets out, but they eeked in and they made noise. So no, TO hasnt gotten won anyone a superbowl, but he gave you 9 catches 121 yds when he was there, and he cant be blamed for the giants loss (crayton) or the romo and glenn fumbles against seattle. TO did his job in Dallas and did it well. Dude had 10 tds (really 11 robbed of one against the bengals) when we didnt have a real for 4 games, and people act like he sucked it up his last season here.

Winning it all is a team effort, and there are a 31 other teams who feel they got someone to get them over the hump. So TO winning it all ='s out to a 1 and 32 chance.

Well I don't see how any playoff team bringing him in to be a playoff team is a big difference maker.

now if he'd helped make Buffalo a playoff team last year, as a lot of his bigger fans on this site said was going to happen. He was finally going to play with a good QB and show that Romo would suck without him.

Now that it happened the other way around, with Romo proving he's the good QB even without TO, and TO didn't have a great year it's because Edwards sucks is hilarious. I know you're not one of those, at least I didnt see that made by you prior to the season, but we've got a few here, in this thread, who said exactly that.

In fact one of them even claimed that he wanted it to be Buffalo and Dallas in the Superbowl with Buffalo winning so that it would prove Tony Romo wasn't as good without TO.

If TO goes to Cinci Hos will just ignore the stats TO puts up and bring up the fact that they may have a bad record. Nevermind the fact that he will be proven completely wrong that TO is washed up. It's the same thing all the time about TO on here. They PRAY that he doesn't go to a team with a good qb. I promise you that!

Why? He was on a team with a QB who was good and we were all told by you and others that him going to Buffalo would prove that Romo wasn't even a good QB and that's why TO wasn't doing as well as he would have.

Now we're supposed to fear that he gets on another team with another good QB?

No.

Romo being hurt had nothing to do with it. Oline injuries had nothing to do with it. The great defenses we played towards the end of the year, which is an excuse people gave Romo as to why he struggled at the end of that year had nothing to do with it.

Now according to you Romo being hurt shouldn't have had a thing to do with it. Romo wasn't that good anyway, remember? TO made Romo good. All that BS.

Now you're trying to back track so fast I'm afraid you just might actually find a way to time travel.

 

[thechosen1n2]

I actually only knock TO for ONE thing, his own stupid mouth. He simply is not about team, he is about him and I don't respect that. When the guy was all world, you take a chance on a talent like that. he is no longer all world, and you don't. Jerry realized he was on the decline, not worth his salary and he drew a circle on a napkin.

It's really just that simple, and yes the jargon is over used and annoying.

I think this is where you and I differ. Dont get me wrong, I think TO likes stats, but he likes winning more. TO is just absolutely terrible at expressing what he means properly. (Im not making excuses, its his fault and he should have learned by now), but coming back on injured an injured ankle, and playing a whole season with torn ligaments in your hand is not exactly selfish acts. TO has brought alot of the negativity upon himself but people take it too far. TO did his job well while on this team.

 

[Hostile]

I think this is where you and I differ. Dont get me wrong, I think TO likes stats, but he likes winning more. TO is just absolutely terrible at expressing what he means properly. (Im not making excuses, its his fault and he should have learned by now), but coming back on injured an injured ankle, and playing a whole season with torn ligaments in your hand is not exactly selfish acts. TO has brought alot of the negativity upon himself but people take it too far. TO did his job well while on this team.

He did his job well in 2006 and 2007. In 2008 I do not feel like he did. He had one good game. When you combine his lack of production with his overall attitude, bad combination.

He likes winning as long as he is a catalyst in the win. As soon as there is a loss he immediately points fingers of blame.

I understand frustration over things not going your way, but the minute you point fingers at a teammate, you are a classless jerk in my opinion and not worth the powder to blow you to hell. I even agree with Owens about Brad Johnson, whom I never wanted, but he trashed his teammate and Johnson retaliated and all the drama tore the team apart.

I cannot respect that. I will not respect it. I will not say his 10 TDs were worth that. I will not say his 1000+ yards were worth that. He was an infection and waiving him was the antibiotic.

I will not sugar coat that even if I was thrilled with 2006 and 2007 and I was.

 

[locked&loaded]

You were right, I do know football. That is why I know he is no longer the WR he thinks he is. I assume you need proof. That is the easy part.

2007...81 receptions, 1355 yards, 15 TDs

2008...69 receptions, 1052 yards, 10 TDs

2009...55 receptions, 829 yards, 5 TDs

Oh, look at that, his production dropped in every single category. Where I come from we call that declining production.

On the other hand you brought up Roy Williams.

2008...36 receptions, 430 yards, 2 TDs

2009...38 receptions, 596 yards, 7 TDs

This despite reports that there were chemistry issues with the QB. Yet his production still rose in every category.

I bet there will be improvement again in 2010 barring injury.





You're welcome.

this is just an awful point. People thought emmitt was done in 97'. People though Moss was done on the raiders. There is plent of examples where production decreases over years, doesnt mean hes lost it all.

 

[Hostile]

this is just an awful point. People thought emmitt was done in 97'. People though Moss was done on the raiders. There is plent of examples where production decreases over years, doesnt mean hes lost it all.

I didn't think Emmitt or Moss were done in those times. The thoughts never crossed my mind even, and truthfully I don't remember many other people thinking it either.

 

[zrinkill]

this is just an awful point. People thought emmitt was done in 97'. People though Moss was done on the raiders. There is plent of examples where production decreases over years, doesnt mean hes lost it all.

Emmitt was 28 in 97.

Moss was 30 in 2005

Owens will be 37 years old in Dec.

A 37 year old guy who does not have a great wide receiver skill set, but made his business out of being faster and stronger than everyone else.

Big difference.

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[stilltheguru]

But? But? ..... I thought Owens made people good QB's ...... at least that is what your ***** **** **** said about Romo.

Personal attacks not allowed on the board eh? :laugh2: Calm your old butt down.

 

[Brooksey]

TO is done. He stays in pretty good shape so he might be worth a one year deal for 5 million. Other then that his best days are behind him. His decline was obvious in Dallas when he couldn't split a double team anymore. We picked up RW to offset the problem but TO couldn't beat a physical corner one on one either....Not like he used to.

 

[coogrfan]

Is TO the same receiver he was no, no, and no again, but lets just take 2007 and 2008. Romo missed 4 games. If Romo plays or even if we had a suitable backup, he easily gets an extra 150 to 200 yards and 2 to 3 tds.

Norm Hitzges torpedoed this particular theory last August:

http://www.theticket.com/Shows/Norm...e-real-numbers-of-T-O-s-career-in-Dallas.aspx

Now, lets look at the last 20 games of his Cowboy career starting in late '07.

He missed one game to injury which obviously does not figure into the stats in any way. So, here's the T. O. of the last year and one quarter:

20 games---83 catches---1207 yards---11 TDs.

In short---good numbers of a good receiver but that's all. The averages? Per game he averaged: 4.2 catches for 60 yards and a TD every other game.

Look at the averages. The numbers fall off about 25% the last 20 games from the first 29.

Here are the exact game-by-game TO totals for those last 20 games:

Catches yards TD plays of more than 25 yards
3 21 0 0
2 37 0 0
5 48 1 0
4 49 1 0
2008
5 87 1 1
3 89 2 1
2 17 0 0
7 71 1 0
2 67 1 1
4 36 0 0
2 31 0 0*****
5 33 0 0*****
5 36 1 0*****
5 38 0 0
7 213 1 3
5 98 1 1
3 32 1 0
3 38 0 0
5 63 1 0
6 103 0 1

TOTAL 83 1207 11 8

Some observations.

Note that in his last 20 games he had only two 100 yards receiving games. One came in the blowout of San Fran and the other came as Philly was destroying the Cowboys in the '08 finale.

If you remove that one massive game against San Fran from his resume, in his other final 19 games as a Cowboy he averaged 4 catches for 52 yards per game.

Note also the absence of big plays. Other than the three huge plays in the SF contest Owens made only 5 other catches of over 25 yards in his final 20 games as a Cowboy.

The three asterisked games indicate the contests TO played with Brad Johnson at QB. But note that his average catches per game with Johnson was almost identical with that he recorded with Romo in the other 17 contests in this table.

 

[DallasEast]

Passing time. Name your top 5 destinations for the Queen of Drama.

1. Cincinnati Bengals
2. Tampa Bay Bucs
3. Oakland Raiders
4. Chicago Bears
5. St. Louis Rams

There are ten possibilities in my opinion, but only after subtracting teams based upon obvious conditions:

Condition | No Chance In Hell (e.g. there is absolutely no logical reason for acquiring Owens)

Arizona Cardinals
Green Bay Packers
Indianapolis Colts
Minnesota Vikings
Pittsburgh Steelers

Condition | For Obvious Reasons (e.g. duh!)

Dallas Cowboys
Philadelphia Eagles
San Francisco 49ers

Condition | Teams With A Huge Young Franchise Quarterback Investment (e.g. maintaining the team's focus where it should always be)

Atlanta Falcons
Baltimore Ravens
Detroit Lions
New York Jets

Condition | Top 10 Receiving Offense (e.g. Virtually Owens proof)

Houston Texans
New England Patriots
* New Orleans Saints (I mean, really!)
San Diego Chargers

Strong Miscellaneous Conditions

Carolina Panthers (Unlikely to "upgrade" from one old wide receiver [Muhsin Muhammad] to an older one)
Denver Broncos (see Josh McDaniels/Brandon Marshall 2009)
Kansas City Chiefs (RE: Todd Haley)
New York Giants (Young strong receiving core)
Seattle Seahawks (Pete Carroll does not require Owens In his offensive scheme)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (Young franchise quarterback & young head coach)

That only leaves ten teams, but I will list them in the order from most likely to least likely of extending Owens a contract for 2010:

Buffalo Bills
Oakland Raiders
Cincinnati Bengals
Washington Commanders
St. Louis Rams
Miami Dolphins
Tennessee Titans
Cleveland Browns
Jacksonville Jaguars
Chicago Bears

I doubt that any of these remaining teams will make any grandiose offers for Owens services. If anything, he will probably receive another one-year contract offer similar to the Bills' during the previous offseason.

 

[Screw The Hall]

He's going to start going to schools and telling kids everything he knows about the virtues of sportsmanship and being a good teammate.

Rumor has it that the guinness book of world records is going to be there to acknowledge this as the shortage lecture in the history of the world.

 

[zrinkill]

Personal attacks not allowed on the board eh? :laugh2: Calm your old butt down.

Show where I personally attacked you?

 

[thechosen1n2]

Norm Hitzges torpedoed this particular theory last August:

http://www.theticket.com/Shows/Norm...e-real-numbers-of-T-O-s-career-in-Dallas.aspx

First let me state that I love Norm, he is my favorite listen on the ticket. I love his passion for sports, but Norm has never been wrong in his life

Norm is the same guy who said that the cowboys were not that talented of a team after we lost to denver and struggled with KC, and again after we lost to the chargers, but by seasons end he said we had the most talented roster in football.

Norm said Felix gets enough touches and hes just not as good as we thought he was, and by years end he was saying that felix needs the ball he has the ability to be every bit as good as chris johnson.

Basically what im saying is just because norm is on the radio does not mean his opinion is automatically better than anyone elses who has watched football for years.

 

[thechosen1n2]

He did his job well in 2006 and 2007. In 2008 I do not feel like he did. He had one good game. When you combine his lack of production with his overall attitude, bad combination.

He likes winning as long as he is a catalyst in the win. As soon as there is a loss he immediately points fingers of blame.

I understand frustration over things not going your way, but the minute you point fingers at a teammate, you are a classless jerk in my opinion and not worth the powder to blow you to hell. I even agree with Owens about Brad Johnson, whom I never wanted, but he trashed his teammate and Johnson retaliated and all the drama tore the team apart.

I cannot respect that. I will not respect it. I will not say his 10 TDs were worth that. I will not say his 1000+ yards were worth that. He was an infection and waiving him was the antibiotic.

I will not sugar coat that even if I was thrilled with 2006 and 2007 and I was.

He trashed Johnson Publicly? I thought that was Michael Irvin on the TO internet show. I remember specifically Irvin thought he was on break, and he was trashing Brad Johnson and saying even Jerry Jones was trashing him, and TO was like man shutup everyone can still hear. Mike was like oh really...everyone just heard that, and starts dyin laughin, and TO just shook his head like what have you gotten us into, but TO didnt look pleased.

 

[Hostile]

He trashed Johnson Publicly? I thought that was Michael Irvin on the TO internet show. I remember specifically Irvin thought he was on break, and he was trashing Brad Johnson and saying even Jerry Jones was trashing him, and TO was like man shutup everyone can still hear. Mike was like oh really...everyone just heard that, and starts dyin laughin, and TO just shook his head like what have you gotten us into, but TO didnt look pleased.

My apologies, I cannot translate anything after the first sentence. No idea what you said or asked me after that.

 

[HoleInTheRoof]

Basically what im saying is just because norm is on the radio does not mean his opinion is automatically better than anyone elses who has watched football for years.

Norm backed up his opinion with statistics.

Hard to refute that.