Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[CowboyRoy]

Not all that interesting, considering one function is a composition-of-the-team function and the other is a gameday function where the HC and the coordinators are all more likely to be involved.

You're simply wrong when you say that HC has no role in assembling his team in Dallas. And it's been the case going back since Jerry hired Jimmy. Pretty much every coach we've ever had has gone on record saying Jerry was a good owner insofar as he'd try to get them the talent they requested. Wade was the exception, as he publicly said it was Jerry and the scouts' job to find the players and his job to coach them. Which was part of his downfall in Dallas.

He's had 12 or 13 win seasons two of the last four years. And he and his staff deserve the credit any other staff would get for having multiple franchise QBs on the team. We don't get to pretend the coaches have nothing to do with their QB play just because the QB play has been good.

And your facts are wrong. An injury to his franchise QB happened in 2016, and the team did not fall apart. That's not sugar you're trying to coat with, Roy.

Stop changing the angle. I never said he had NO role. I simply refuted your completely erroneous claim that Garrett was the main cog and decision maker building the roster.

LOL........yah his injury to his franchise QB happened and in came his next franchise QB. Are you really serious with this stuff?

What happened previously when there was just a regular backup on the team?

 

[CowboyRoy]

It’s easy to say that but we simply don’t know.

We do know it wasn’t better with more proven and experienced coaches like Phillips, Gailey and Parcells. Why would it be with Linehan?

My theory is based on the sole premise that no one can be worse at gameday management and preparation then Jason Garrett.

 

[Diehardblues]

Figuring out a first year QB? The guy hasnt even fully developed yet.

You mean started taking away the things he likes to do? All defenses attempt to do that with any QB. More likely they were figuring out Garretts predictable scheme.

Of course . Garrett is blamed for Daks shortcomings but not his success. More Red Flags there’s an underlining agenda here Roy!!

 

[Diehardblues]

My theory is based on the sole premise that no one can be worse at gameday management and preparation then Jason Garrett.

Lol.. more Red Flags Roy.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It’s easy to say that but we simply don’t know.

We do know it wasn’t better with more proven and experienced coaches like Phillips, Gailey and Parcells. Why would it be with Linehan?

And who was calling the plays for Wade and running his offense? That would Garrett straight out of kindergarten. What do you think Wade would have done with a real OC? Gailey never had the team and Parcells had Quincy the bong Carter and made the playoffs.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Lol.. more Red Flags Roy.

I even hate the way he throws the red flag. True story.

 

[Idgit]

Stop changing the angle. I never said he had NO role. I simply refuted your completely erroneous claim that Garrett was the main cog and decision maker building the roster.

LOL........yah his injury to his franchise QB happened and in came his next franchise QB. Are you really serious with this stuff?

What happened previously when there was just a regular backup on the team?

Yeah, I'm serious when I say that replacing Tony with Dak is an example of his team not falling apart when he lost his franchise QB. Not exactly going out on a limb.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Of course . Garrett is blamed for Daks shortcomings but not his success. More Red Flags there’s an underlining agenda here Roy!!

Oh no, I gave credit to Garrett for sticking with Dak. I though he was one of the big guys behind that move. I recognized 2016 as his best year in that regard.

I dont see many shortcomings Dak has to be honest other than inexperience and getting better at reading defenses and some mechanics.

And as far as an agenda you better believe it. I want Garrett out of here. But I will take a championship any way I can get it even if Garrett is here for it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, I'm serious when I say that replacing Tony with Dak is an example of his team not falling apart when he lost his franchise QB. Not exactly going out on a limb.

He has fallen apart when he lost his franchise QB. Multiple times. Until that franchise QB was replaced by the NEXT franchise QB. Surely you can understand the difference there. Unless you are going to claim that Dak was the run of the mill backup QB or rookie QB.

 

[davidariust24]

This is the worst endorsement and lowest bar I have ever seen lol

Garrett should be on a two year watch. This season and the next,because this is now his team. The room era which began with parcells is over. This is his team. We are the second youngest team in the league. Our offensive philosophy is his that he learned from the 90s cowboys and the offensive line is mainly in their prime our running back is in his. The Qb is an up and comer. The only thing people can say is that our receivers and tightends are inexperienced. The defense is starting to stack nicely. The d line is nice the LB core will be nice with Smith looking as good as ever and LVE and Sean Lee. The secondary with guys like Awuzie and Lewis and Jones and coach Richard. These next two years are coach Garrett's window of understanding what he is made of. The exercise this year is that the receivers and tightends have hardly and experience but we should still make the playoffs. Next season is a different story. He needs to make a statement I n these next two years

 

[CowboyRoy]

I didn't say that. I do think, well, know, that Garrett has a significant role in assembling the talent the team adds. That's not really a topic of smart debate. And then of course he and his staff are responsible for developing that talent, which they've done a good job with, overall.

It's possible to discuss a HC's strengths and weaknesses honestly, now. We don't have to construct a world where everything good that happens to the team does so without the involvement of the head coach you don't happen to like.

Not a chance. When they are in the draft room its clearly Jerry and stephen heading the show along with McClay. When they look at defensive players they look to Marinelli even over Garrett. The proverbial nod from everyone is about it.

Garrett simply doesnt decide who is drafted.

No doubt he is has input on what positions they need. But any dummy can see that. Its talked about it all day on here and its obvious.

Garrett picked Linehan, that much is obvious. He calls timeouts, throws red flags, gives speeches. All of which he does below bar and often horribly. His adjustments and gameplans are garbage. More of a scared a paranoid type then a risk taking go for it guy. Which according to the last SB winner is exactly what it takes to win it all.

 

[Doomsday101]

I swear I think some of you just like to torture yourself. Let me guess you take joy in pulling out nose hair as well. lol you make a list of coaches to replace Garrett yet you know at least for this season he will be the HC of the Cowboys. You can like any coach you want but what is the point of all of this? These Garrett thread are like watching Piranha in a feeding frenzy

 

[Idgit]

He has fallen apart when he lost his franchise QB. Multiple times. Until that franchise QB was replaced by the NEXT franchise QB. Surely you can understand the difference there. Unless you are going to claim that Dak was the run of the mill backup QB or rookie QB.

The difference I see is that you don't want to credit it where it's successful, but you're happy to try to blame him for it when it is not. What am I missing? The franchise QB goes down, the rookie 4th round pick steps in and plays great. How is that somehow earn an asterisk when it comes to the coaches having Dak ready to play in your world?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I swear I think some of you just like to torture yourself. Let me guess you take joy in pulling out nose hair as well. lol you make a list of coaches to replace Garrett yet you know at least for this season he will be the HC of the Cowboys. You can like any coach you want but what is the point of all of this? These Garrett thread are like watching Piranha in a feeding frenzy

Tis

The difference I see is that you don't want to credit it where it's successful, but you're happy to try to blame him for it when it is not. What am I missing? The franchise QB goes down, the rookie 4th round pick steps in and plays great. How is that somehow earn an asterisk when it comes to the coaches having Dak ready to play in your world?

I give Garrett credit. Thought it was his best season and best move to stick with Dak. The asterisk on that particular backup is that Dak was the next great cowboys franchise QB. So you are replacing Romo with a guy that is the next Romo. So to speak. Surely you understand the difference.

Garrett has been blessed to have had a franchise type talent at QB every year that he has been here with no interruptions. And what has he done with that advantage exactly? One playoff win?

You seem enamoured by the team building, whomever is doing it. Yet we have one playoff win to show for it since Garrett has been here. Those aren't my kind of standards. Obviously you are impressed by it. But we have been over this ground before.

You think Garrett is a great head coach. You are entitled.

 

[Idgit]

Tis

I give Garrett credit. Thought it was his best season and best move to stick with Dak. The asterisk on that particular backup is that Dak was the next great cowboys franchise QB. So you are replacing Romo with a guy that is the next Romo. So to speak. Surely you understand the difference.

Garrett has been blessed to have had a franchise type talent at QB every year that he has been here with no interruptions. And what has he done with that advantage exactly? One playoff win?

You seem enamoured by the team building, whomever is doing it. Yet we have one playoff win to show for it since Garrett has been here. Those aren't my kind of standards. Obviously you are impressed by it. But we have been over this ground before.

You think Garrett is a great head coach. You are entitled.

Part of why I so rarely engage with you on this topic, is you can't keep from embellishing and twisting my actual take. I have no problem taking on the whole forum on a topic when I think I'm right, but not a lot of interest in unsaying things that I never actually said.

Team building is hugely important in the NFL. It's how good organizations actually win. Look no farther than what Roseman did for PHI last year if it's unclear somehow. My standards are to build a championship roster. I've never suggested otherwise. I believe the limitations to the current team are with the defensive personnel rather than with the HC or his staff. You clearly disagree with that, but there's no reason to pretend I'm saying something I'm not to try to make your point.

I don't think Garrett is a great head coach, and I've said this many times in many different threads. Great head coaches don't grow on trees, and if we can find one, we ought to bring one in. I think Garrett is a good fit in Dallas, though. I think he's good enough to win a championship with if the team is good enough. I think we've demonstrated a capability to build good teams in Dallas under Garrett and that's evidenced by the 12 and 13 win seasons.

I think fans with average abilities at diagnoses causes of effects are going to ***** about the HC or the QB about 90% of the time whenever expectations for the team aren't met. And I don't think that HC'ing or QB'ing is the reason is the reason why teams fail to reach their goals 90% of the time. Most of the time, I think the issue is with personnel. That's not a Dallas thing, by the way. That's an issue league-wide.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Garrett is not a team builder here. And under that same logic, Wade did the same thing. And then you can look at the next year and say that Garrett built a 4-12 team. Doesnt add up. Garretts body of work as a head coach is suspect in the least.

And what is so great about a 13-3 team that loses in the first round?

I disagree, at least he had some sort of philosophy they build around and added talent to the team. same logic you used that we had talent to go 11-6...we went 13-3 and 12-4 with garrett. with him as the head coach, we have added more talent on the team compared to wade we lost talent and got depleted. am I crediting Garrett? the same way you credit wade....whatever the reasons. wade couldn't add more talent to the team and we got depleted very quickly.

and I don't disagree. we have had some successful seasons. but lose in the playoffs. we need to get over that hump. we need to win in the playoffs. my concern is that once garrett is gone, then we get another pantsy like wade, win nothing and end up with another depleted team and rebuild. say what you want about garrett's x's and o's and in game coaching ability, he does know how to navigate around jerry and get jerry to listen.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Interesting how when you mention team building you mention ONLY Garrett, then when mentioning the debacle in Atlanta it changes to THEM as in the coaching staff as a whole. Give credit to Garrett, then pass it around when there is blame. Neat trick............not really.

whomever is building these teams is doing an average job overall. They are simply NOT good enough. Although I am on record as liking the last few years. But most of understand that is NOT what Garrett does here.

And the truth is that Garrett has been a good enough coach to coach the team to 13 wins 1 time and one time ONLY. That is 1 time in how many seasons? Not a great percentage. And of note is the fact that he has had a franchise QB the entire time. When an injury to that QB has happened or any kind of adversity it all falls apart for Garrett. Just stating the facts as they are. They cannot be sugar coated by any stretch.

we came out of wade era, cap strapped and limited drafts and still did an overhaul, we have done it again overhauling the team, drafting wisely (like getting jerry's impulses under control and not drafting manziel), and we are in much better cap situation and can be a player next year.

Atlanta was awful, yes. but if you are going to point to that, then also point to some of the games expected for us to lose like the win in Seattle.....are you going to point bilicheck for getting blown out to KC at home? every coach and I mean every coach has games their team just gets blown out of water....

you don't like garrett. we get it. your tendency is to try to make everything he does as bad and all of what he has done is not bad. like your friend, you blame him for not quitting because you hate him so much....

I don't disagree that we are at a time that we need the next coach to come in and take this team to the top. it has accumulated enough talent. it has all the right makings. its time for it to make the leap. this is garrett's last year. either he will go far or he will go out. doesn't matter should have done this, etc. its in the past. can't change the past. we are at this point and we will see where we are at the end of the year.

I just hope you are not like a couple of other garrett haters, that is going to wish for this team to fail so you can get rid of garrett. to them garrett's failure is more important than the team success. they are waiting to tell everyone "I told you so"....

 

[Diehardblues]

I disagree, at least he had some sort of philosophy they build around and added talent to the team. same logic you used that we had talent to go 11-6...we went 13-3 and 12-4 with garrett. with him as the head coach, we have added more talent on the team compared to wade we lost talent and got depleted. am I crediting Garrett? the same way you credit wade....whatever the reasons. wade couldn't add more talent to the team and we got depleted very quickly.

and I don't disagree. we have had some successful seasons. but lose in the playoffs. we need to get over that hump. we need to win in the playoffs. my concern is that once garrett is gone, then we get another pantsy like wade, win nothing and end up with another depleted team and rebuild. say what you want about garrett's x's and o's and in game coaching ability, he does know how to navigate around jerry and get jerry to listen.

And that’s one of Garrett’s greatest assets is getting Jerry to listen. Remember what Parcells said” you must convince Jerry to go against his instincts”.

 

[Diehardblues]

we came out of wade era, cap strapped and limited drafts and still did an overhaul, we have done it again overhauling the team, drafting wisely (like getting jerry's impulses under control and not drafting manziel), and we are in much better cap situation and can be a player next year.

Atlanta was awful, yes. but if you are going to point to that, then also point to some of the games expected for us to lose like the win in Seattle.....are you going to point bilicheck for getting blown out to KC at home? every coach and I mean every coach has games their team just gets blown out of water....

you don't like garrett. we get it. your tendency is to try to make everything he does as bad and all of what he has done is not bad. like your friend, you blame him for not quitting because you hate him so much....

I don't disagree that we are at a time that we need the next coach to come in and take this team to the top. it has accumulated enough talent. it has all the right makings. its time for it to make the leap. this is garrett's last year. either he will go far or he will go out. doesn't matter should have done this, etc. its in the past. can't change the past. we are at this point and we will see where we are at the end of the year.

I just hope you are not like a couple of other garrett haters, that is going to wish for this team to fail so you can get rid of garrett. to them garrett's failure is more important than the team success. they are waiting to tell everyone "I told you so"....

Yep. Some fans are more about being right than winning. But that’s the only way Jerry is firing Jason is a total collapse. Jerry can sell the heck out of 8-8.

I understand everyone’s frustration with Garrett. Shoot I’ve been frustrated for 25 years since Jimmy left and the Puppetry begun.

But I’m about solutions that Jerry is going to allow. Rooting for Garrett to be fired doesn’t resolve our core issues. When you have the handicap, hindrance and obstacle that Jerry presents it calls for solutions that are not of the normal protocol.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett should be our VP or GM. His influence in building the team in his vision and the culture we have since 2011 is the best we’ve had since Bill and probably Jimmy.

Garrett obviously doesn’t have the Game Day or adjustment skills but he’s tried to surround himself with more experienced coord and coaches to fill those voids.

Will McClay is one of his best additions finding talent to fit his visions. Talent scouting something his father did for Gil Brandt under Landry has been of the best improvements under Garrett’s watch. Unless of course you believe it’s sheer coincidence our drafts and culture improved in 2011.

It’s why I’m calling Garrett a walk around GM. Obviously he isn’t making all of the personnel decisions but sitting at the head of the table with Jethro and Son he obviously is the greatest influence.

And why despite whatever shortcomings Garrett’s inexperience and unproven coaching skills presents I like what our team has become under his watch in comparison to the last couple decades.

We’ve had just enough success to stay the course I believe. We have much invested with Jason . Jerry is taking a lesser roll with his confidence and comfortableness in Jason. And Jason wants to be here. Doesn’t mind taking the puppet role so if we have more success Jerry’s in place to recieve the credit he’s pursuing with a less proven HC .

I can’t imagine starting over with the next puppet. I truly believe Garrett is the perfect puppet for Jerry.