Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[Captain43Crash]

12-4 and 13-3 don’t qualify as mediocre. I guess 4-12 doesn’t either. You’ll have to say five years of mediocre history if you want to be accurate. I’ll give you the 5-3 and 9-7 since they’re close.

In the history of the Dallas Cowboys, a team that use to win playoff games on a regular basis, this 8 years with Garrett has been extremely mediocre. Even the 2 winning seasons you mentioned, we were 1 and done in the playoffs, with teams talented enough to win in the playoffs. Garrett very very seldom beats the good teams, especially come playoff time. Garrett is a mediocre coach which is actually worse, for Cowboys fans, than a really bad coach. If he was a really bad coach Jerry would be forced to fire him. Garrett is the problem. If you can’t see that after the Atlanta fiasco I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[Idgit]

In the history of the Dallas Cowboys, a team that use to win playoff games on a regular basis, this 8 years with Garrett has been extremely mediocre. Even the 2 winning seasons you mentioned, we were 1 and done in the playoffs, with teams talented enough to win in the playoffs. Garrett very very seldom beats the good teams, especially come playoff time. Garrett is a mediocre coach which is actually worse, for Cowboys fans, than a really bad coach. If he was a really bad coach Jerry would be forced to fire him. Garrett is the problem. If you can’t see that after the Atlanta fiasco I don’t know what to tell you.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But the history of the Dallas Cowboys doesn't change the definition of words for us. It's better to just accurately describe things. He's a coach who's demonstrated he can build a team capable of winning 12-13 games. That's not nothing. And then his teams fall short in the playoffs, which is what's keeping us from what we all really want to see. That's an ok description of the current situation. We don't have to make things out to be worse than they are.

The important thing is to be right about what's held the team back when we do get to the postseason. I don't agree that the ATL game ought to be a referendum on the coaching staff, though I do agree that it was a terrible game for them.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak has things to work on, but there were no accuracy issues before the Oline went down. Romo and Dak are different QB's. Dak I agree will never be the pure passer that Romo, but Romo could NEVER be the type of dual threat QB that Dak is. Two completely different types of QB's. Dak has already proven to be a better leader, and better decision maker (throwing the ball away, not taking too many chances) and game manager at such a young age. Romo more of the gunslinger, wild mentality. Great for a team that isnt very good, but not so great if you have more of a complete team or a run first offense. Thats my personal opinion.

As far as Romo coming back to play I love what we did. The team wasnt winning the SB any way with Romo in his prime or Dak so going with the young guy and getting him the experience was better for me. Romo was done. And no way you take out a QB with an 11 game win streak leading the team the way Dak was. Had he faltered, no problem. He didnt. So I was fine with that. Where would we be today if Romo had played that year and possibly last year? Probably no playoff wins or maybe one and Dak with that much less experience. Look how this roster has been turned over with youth. Never would have happened with Romo at the helm. THE big youth movement was EXACTLY what this team needed.

We don’t know where we’d be and why it’s all speculation. Your entitiled to your view and others theirs. That’s what we do here on a fan forum.

Personally I would have gone with Romo once he was ready to go. If he gets hurt again or struggles then you have Dak in waiting.

There was no need to hurry Dak along. Another year or two behind Romo might have served him well. As it turned out we’re in no better situation still needing to develop Dak and the results of last two seasons weren’t any better.

Only those fans had no faith or given up on Romo would have been ready to move on. There’s every reason to believe if healthy Romo could have led us past Packers in playoff game.

There were several indicators towards end of 2016 that defenses were figuring Dak out and there might be some struggles. Fans often see what they want to see. Initially I was all in on Dak too until those last few games and seeing Romo back in Philly. That’s my take.

 

[Diehardblues]

In the history of the Dallas Cowboys, a team that use to win playoff games on a regular basis, this 8 years with Garrett has been extremely mediocre. Even the 2 winning seasons you mentioned, we were 1 and done in the playoffs, with teams talented enough to win in the playoffs. Garrett very very seldom beats the good teams, especially come playoff time. Garrett is a mediocre coach which is actually worse, for Cowboys fans, than a really bad coach. If he was a really bad coach Jerry would be forced to fire him. Garrett is the problem. If you can’t see that after the Atlanta fiasco I don’t know what to tell you.

That’s choosing one game to spin your narrative.

Garrett is a product of the dysfunctional situation we have with Jerry. If you haven’t noticed we haven’t had anymore success with more proven and qualified Coaches this era. What is the common denominator?

 

[Diehardblues]

I was talking about the past, other coaches, that would likely have been worse than Garrett. You are talking about the present or future, coaches who might be better than Garrett. Two different things. Certainly you can't keep current coaches out of fear, but that wasn't what I was advocating.

You're putting meaning to my post that wasn't there, if that's how you interpret it I can't change that, but I know what I was saying and it wasn't that the Cowboys should keep Garrett because some other coach IN THE FUTURE might be worse than Garrett.

Parcells,Wade and Gailey all qualified Head Coaches this era under Jerry who made the playoffs with no more success than Garrett.

What is the one constant throughout. There enlies the root of our problem .

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But the history of the Dallas Cowboys doesn't change the definition of words for us. It's better to just accurately describe things. He's a coach who's demonstrated he can build a team capable of winning 12-13 games. That's not nothing. And then his teams fall short in the playoffs, which is what's keeping us from what we all really want to see. That's an ok description of the current situation. We don't have to make things out to be worse than they are.

The important thing is to be right about what's held the team back when we do get to the postseason. I don't agree that the ATL game ought to be a referendum on the coaching staff, though I do agree that it was a terrible game for them.

The Atlanta debacle is a great example for the Lynch Mob. Much like Icing the Kicker. These small samples are facts they can spin for their narration.

I’m just not sure what our options are with Jerry in pursuing another HC even if we wanted to.

We already have seen what more experienced and qualified coaches like Gailey, Wade and Bill have done.

Spinning the wheel just to satisfy the Lynch Mob doesn’t sound like a practical solution within the paramaters Jerry will allow. Jason has illustrated enough IMO to stay the course.

Without those 12 and 13 win seasons we came so close to reaching a goal we haven’t this era I’d be willing to spin the wheel again myself. And all the progress we’ve made building the team and better culture under Garrett these fans are ready to flush out.. for what? And who???

 

[CowboyRoy]

We don’t know where we’d be and why it’s all speculation. Your entitiled to your view and others theirs. That’s what we do here on a fan forum.

Personally I would have gone with Romo once he was ready to go. If he gets hurt again or struggles then you have Dak in waiting.

There was no need to hurry Dak along. Another year or two behind Romo might have served him well. As it turned out we’re in no better situation still needing to develop Dak and the results of last two seasons weren’t any better.

Only those fans had no faith or given up on Romo would have been ready to move on. There’s every reason to believe if healthy Romo could have led us past Packers in playoff game.

There were several indicators towards end of 2016 that defenses were figuring Dak out and there might be some struggles. Fans often see what they want to see. Initially I was all in on Dak too until those last few games and seeing Romo back in Philly. That’s my take.

Why is there every reason? Romo lost in the exact same way two years prior in the exact same situation. Both Romo and Dak played well in those games and it was poor coaching and preparation that led to the loses. And Romo was in his prime during that time. The chemistry that was present with Dak in 2016 we hadnt seen under Romo. Even Witten had bought in completely with Dak. And Dak is much further along now then he would have been otherwise.

But like you said we are all entitled. I was a big big Romo fan. But at the end, there was simply no way the team around Romo would be good enough before he was completely toast. IF he wasnt there already.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But the history of the Dallas Cowboys doesn't change the definition of words for us. It's better to just accurately describe things. He's a coach who's demonstrated he can build a team capable of winning 12-13 games. That's not nothing. And then his teams fall short in the playoffs, which is what's keeping us from what we all really want to see. That's an ok description of the current situation. We don't have to make things out to be worse than they are.

The important thing is to be right about what's held the team back when we do get to the postseason. I don't agree that the ATL game ought to be a referendum on the coaching staff, though I do agree that it was a terrible game for them.

Garrett is not a team builder here. And under that same logic, Wade did the same thing. And then you can look at the next year and say that Garrett built a 4-12 team. Doesnt add up. Garretts body of work as a head coach is suspect in the least.

And what is so great about a 13-3 team that loses in the first round?

 

[Idgit]

The Atlanta debacle is a great example for the Lynch Mob. Much like Icing the Kicker. These small samples are facts they can spin for their narration.

I’m just not sure what our options are with Jerry in pursuing another HC even if we wanted to.

We already have seen what more experienced and qualified coaches like Gailey, Wade and Bill have done.

Spinning the wheel just to satisfy the Lynch Mob doesn’t sound like a practical solution within the paramaters Jerry will allow. Jason has illustrated enough IMO to stay the course.

Without those 12 and 13 win seasons we came so close to reaching a goal we haven’t this era I’d be willing to spin the wheel again myself. And all the progress we’ve made building the team and better culture under Garrett these fans are ready to flush out.. for what? And who???

I'm all for an upgrade at HC or any of the coordinators where there's a clear one available. Until there is, and while I still see significant issues with the defensive talent that explain the post season shortfalls adequately for me, that's where I want to see the team make moves. There are liabilities over there getting significant snaps at positions that are relatively easy to address. Still.

 

[Idgit]

Garrett is not a team builder here. And under that same logic, Wade did the same thing. And then you can look at the next year and say that Garrett built a 4-12 team. Doesnt add up. Garretts body of work as a head coach is suspect in the least.

And what is so great about a 13-3 team that loses in the first round?

Garrett is clearly the team builder here. And the same logic didn't apply to Wade, whose team was most successful the year he came in and got progressively worse. Parcells was the team builder in that case. Garrett, though, took 1-7 to 12-4 an 13-3 with a significant roster overhaul. That's the difference.

My point wasn't that 13-3 and a 2nd round playoff loss was great. It was that it wasn't 'mediocre.' It's not as easy to get a team to 12 or 13 wins as some of the posters in this thread want to pretend.

 

[Cowboysheelsreds053]

Get a dart board and close your eyes and whomever your dart lands in, I will take even coaching from there grave.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. But the history of the Dallas Cowboys doesn't change the definition of words for us. It's better to just accurately describe things. He's a coach who's demonstrated he can build a team capable of winning 12-13 games. That's not nothing. And then his teams fall short in the playoffs, which is what's keeping us from what we all really want to see. That's an ok description of the current situation. We don't have to make things out to be worse than they are.

The important thing is to be right about what's held the team back when we do get to the postseason. I don't agree that the ATL game ought to be a referendum on the coaching staff, though I do agree that it was a terrible game for them.

Interesting how when you mention team building you mention ONLY Garrett, then when mentioning the debacle in Atlanta it changes to THEM as in the coaching staff as a whole. Give credit to Garrett, then pass it around when there is blame. Neat trick............not really.

whomever is building these teams is doing an average job overall. They are simply NOT good enough. Although I am on record as liking the last few years. But most of understand that is NOT what Garrett does here.

And the truth is that Garrett has been a good enough coach to coach the team to 13 wins 1 time and one time ONLY. That is 1 time in how many seasons? Not a great percentage. And of note is the fact that he has had a franchise QB the entire time. When an injury to that QB has happened or any kind of adversity it all falls apart for Garrett. Just stating the facts as they are. They cannot be sugar coated by any stretch.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Garrett is clearly the team builder here. And the same logic didn't apply to Wade, whose team was most successful the year he came in and got progressively worse. Parcells was the team builder in that case. Garrett, though, took 1-7 to 12-4 an 13-3 with a significant roster overhaul. That's the difference.

My point wasn't that 13-3 and a 2nd round playoff loss was great. It was that it wasn't 'mediocre.' It's not as easy to get a team to 12 or 13 wins as some of the posters in this thread want to pretend.

If you really think that Garrett drafts the players, picks the FA's and decides who stays and who goes here in Dallas then you have absolutely no idea how things work here. Your one of maybe 5 guys on this entire site that has ever claimed that Garrett controls the roster or builds the team.

If you have the best Oline in football, a franchise level QB, and a top 5 RB and an average defense, then you better make the playoffs and you should win a few games once in a while.

You are better off keeping with the company line that Garretts is the best we can ever hope for rather than claiming he builds the roster.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Get a dart board and close your eyes and whomever your dart lands in, I will take even coaching from there grave.

This team would be better with Linehan as the head coach.

 

[Idgit]

Interesting how when you mention team building you mention ONLY Garrett, then when mentioning the debacle in Atlanta it changes to THEM as in the coaching staff as a whole. Give credit to Garrett, then pass it around when there is blame. Neat trick............not really.

whomever is building these teams is doing an average job overall. They are simply NOT good enough. Although I am on record as liking the last few years. But most of understand that is NOT what Garrett does here.

And the truth is that Garrett has been a good enough coach to coach the team to 13 wins 1 time and one time ONLY. That is 1 time in how many seasons? Not a great percentage. And of note is the fact that he has had a franchise QB the entire time. When an injury to that QB has happened or any kind of adversity it all falls apart for Garrett. Just stating the facts as they are. They cannot be sugar coated by any stretch.

Not all that interesting, considering one function is a composition-of-the-team function and the other is a gameday function where the HC and the coordinators are all more likely to be involved.

You're simply wrong when you say that HC has no role in assembling his team in Dallas. And it's been the case going back since Jerry hired Jimmy. Pretty much every coach we've ever had has gone on record saying Jerry was a good owner insofar as he'd try to get them the talent they requested. Wade was the exception, as he publicly said it was Jerry and the scouts' job to find the players and his job to coach them. Which was part of his downfall in Dallas.

He's had 12 or 13 win seasons two of the last four years. And he and his staff deserve the credit any other staff would get for having multiple franchise QBs on the team. We don't get to pretend the coaches have nothing to do with their QB play just because the QB play has been good.

And your facts are wrong. An injury to his franchise QB happened in 2016, and the team did not fall apart. That's not sugar you're trying to coat with, Roy.

 

[Idgit]

If you really think that Garrett drafts the players, picks the FA's and decides who stays and who goes here in Dallas then you have absolutely no idea how things work here. Your one of maybe 5 guys on this entire site that has ever claimed that Garrett controls the roster or builds the team.

If you have the best Oline in football, a franchise level QB, and a top 5 RB and an average defense, then you better make the playoffs and you should win a few games once in a while.

You are better off keeping with the company line that Garretts is the best we can ever hope for rather than claiming he builds the roster.

I didn't say that. I do think, well, know, that Garrett has a significant role in assembling the talent the team adds. That's not really a topic of smart debate. And then of course he and his staff are responsible for developing that talent, which they've done a good job with, overall.

It's possible to discuss a HC's strengths and weaknesses honestly, now. We don't have to construct a world where everything good that happens to the team does so without the involvement of the head coach you don't happen to like.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why is there every reason? Romo lost in the exact same way two years prior in the exact same situation. Both Romo and Dak played well in those games and it was poor coaching and preparation that led to the loses. And Romo was in his prime during that time. The chemistry that was present with Dak in 2016 we hadnt seen under Romo. Even Witten had bought in completely with Dak. And Dak is much further along now then he would have been otherwise.

But like you said we are all entitled. I was a big big Romo fan. But at the end, there was simply no way the team around Romo would be good enough before he was completely toast. IF he wasnt there already.

Losing up in Green Bay in 2014 wasn’t the “ exact same situation”. Same exact opponent in a divisional game is only similarity. But the situations were much different .

 

[Diehardblues]

I didn't say that. I do think, well, know, that Garrett has a significant role in assembling the talent the team adds. That's not really a topic of smart debate. And then of course he and his staff are responsible for developing that talent, which they've done a good job with, overall.

It's possible to discuss a HC's strengths and weaknesses honestly, now. We don't have to construct a world where everything good that happens to the team does so without the involvement of the head coach you don't happen to like.

Yep. They’ll blame Garrett for any gaffs or declines of players but won’t give credit for more favorable results and developments . Always a Red Flag!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

We don’t know where we’d be and why it’s all speculation. Your entitiled to your view and others theirs. That’s what we do here on a fan forum.

Personally I would have gone with Romo once he was ready to go. If he gets hurt again or struggles then you have Dak in waiting.

There was no need to hurry Dak along. Another year or two behind Romo might have served him well. As it turned out we’re in no better situation still needing to develop Dak and the results of last two seasons weren’t any better.

Only those fans had no faith or given up on Romo would have been ready to move on. There’s every reason to believe if healthy Romo could have led us past Packers in playoff game.

There were several indicators towards end of 2016 that defenses were figuring Dak out and there might be some struggles. Fans often see what they want to see. Initially I was all in on Dak too until those last few games and seeing Romo back in Philly. That’s my take.

Figuring out a first year QB? The guy hasnt even fully developed yet.

You mean started taking away the things he likes to do? All defenses attempt to do that with any QB. More likely they were figuring out Garretts predictable scheme.

 

[Diehardblues]

This team would be better with Linehan as the head coach.

It’s easy to say that but we simply don’t know.

We do know it wasn’t better with more proven and experienced coaches like Phillips, Gailey and Parcells. Why would it be with Linehan?