Which Head Coach that is available is better than Garrett right now?

[CowboyRoy]

I’ve dealt with dysfunctional situations consulting business owners most of my life. Sometimes unusual or drastic situations call for solutions outside the normal realm.



Id define myself as Apathetic, frustrated and embarrassed of what’s become of our once proud beloved franchise that respectively represented my city, community and area.

I’m a Diehard with the Blues.

What some of this talent could do with real coaching and a top 10 defense would be beautiful to see. Too bad its probably just a pipe dream.

 

[Diehardblues]

What some of this talent could do with real coaching and a top 10 defense would be beautiful to see. Too bad its probably just a pipe dream.

We’ll probably never know unfortunately.

Now given the circumstances and bad news what’s your Plan B to attempt to overcome our dysfunctional situation?

 

[CowboyRoy]

We’ll probably never know unfortunately.

Now given the circumstances and bad news what’s your Plan B to attempt to overcome our dysfunctional situation?

Garrett has to go. There is no other solution. I simply cant believe that Jones is so stupid that he wont fire him at some point. Cant keep carrying this handicapper forever.

But personally, I think he will be around for a while. Garrett has flopped horrendously and he is still around.

 

[Diehardblues]

Garrett has to go. There is no other solution. I simply cant believe that Jones is so stupid that he wont fire him at some point. Cant keep carrying this handicapper forever.

But personally, I think he will be around for a while. Garrett has flopped horrendously and he is still around.

Then I’d say you don’t have your finger on the pulse holding out for a reasonable solution.

Or not accepting reality?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Then I’d say you don’t have your finger on the pulse holding out for a reasonable solution.

Or not accepting reality?

you think getting rid of guys like Dak and romo and hoping for a Brady is reasonable? Brady with no defense and Garrett arent winning the SB anyway.

I have completely resigned to the fact that Garrett will be here for a while. I am also very doubtful Jones can assemble a complete team during that time. I dont see this team being able to do anything but wish for a miracle season.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why do you think Jerry has gone to extremes he’s never undergone before protecting Garrett when he’s had several opportunities to fire him?

And what did you see with some of our previous HC like Wade, Bill, Campo and Gailey who were all more normal type selections for HC with no more success that provides you more confidence moving forward Jerry will attract or bring in a better HC and not meddle enough to keep from hampering the team ?

 

[Diehardblues]

you think getting rid of guys like Dak and romo and hoping for a Brady is reasonable? Brady with no defense and Garrett arent winning the SB anyway.

I have completely resigned to the fact that Garrett will be here for a while. I am also very doubtful Jones can assemble a complete team during that time. I dont see this team being able to do anything but wish for a miracle season.

I’m wishing for a miracle too. Do you think Dak can produce that with our current situation?

I’m not recommending releasing Dak. I’m suggesting after given him a chance to overcome to go back to the draft looking for the next Brady or Rodgers . I’m not sold yet Dak is enough given our situation. Consider Romo wasn’t enough. We need more than that.

A QB potentially enough to carry us to a higher plateau without as much support. Is that a reasonable request. Of course not. But we aren’t in a reasonable situation which is my message.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I’m wishing for a miracle too. Do you think Dak can produce that with our current situation?

I’m not recommending releasing Dak. I’m suggesting after given him a chance to overcome to go back to the draft looking for the next Brady or Rodgers . I’m not sold yet Dak is enough given our situation. Consider Romo wasn’t enough. We need more than that.

A QB potentially enough to carry us to a higher plateau without as much support. Is that a reasonable request. Of course not. But we aren’t in a reasonable situation which is my message.

Dak certainly isnt there yet. Too young. But overall, no, I dont think we can win with Garrett as coach and this defense being average. Give me a top 5 defense and we can talk. Then we may be able to overcome Garrett on a miracle season. But generally my answer is no. NOt because of Dak, but because of the other issues.

My fear is that if and when this defense is good enough, then Lee will be near toast. And by that time a guy like Tyrone Smith will also need to be replaced. Then you have to replace Zeke in 3 or 4 years. Too much for this FO. Unless this monster cap space coming up can be maintained and properly utilized.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak certainly isnt there yet. Too young. But overall, no, I dont think we can win with Garrett as coach and this defense being average. Give me a top 5 defense and we can talk. Then we may be able to overcome Garrett on a miracle season. But generally my answer is no. NOt because of Dak, but because of the other issues.

My fear is that if and when this defense is good enough, then Lee will be near toast. And by that time a guy like Tyrone Smith will also need to be replaced. Then you have to replace Zeke in 3 or 4 years. Too much for this FO. Unless this monster cap space coming up can be maintained and properly utilized.

No doubt a top 5 defense would help. That said would a top 5 QB help too?

Wouldn’t a top 5 QB given a less than elite defense and other issues provide a better shot at a miracle ? Why are we so Dug In on Dak?

 

[Captain43Crash]

No one knows the future, but we have seen 8 years of mediocre history with Garrett, with no coaching improvement in site. We can’t do any worse. Be bold go out and find a HC with potential!!

 

[Idgit]

No one knows the future, but we have seen 8 years of mediocre history with Garrett, with no coaching improvement in site. We can’t do any worse. Be bold go out and find a HC with potential!!

12-4 and 13-3 don’t qualify as mediocre. I guess 4-12 doesn’t either. You’ll have to say five years of mediocre history if you want to be accurate. I’ll give you the 5-3 and 9-7 since they’re close.

 

[Cowpolk]

Why do you think Jerry has gone to extremes he’s never undergone before protecting Garrett when he’s had several opportunities to fire him?

And what did you see with some of our previous HC like Wade, Bill, Campo and Gailey who were all more normal type selections for HC with no more success that provides you more confidence moving forward Jerry will attract or bring in a better HC and not meddle enough to keep from hampering the team ?

Garrett is great

 

[CowboyRoy]

No doubt a top 5 defense would help. That said would a top 5 QB help too?

Wouldn’t a top 5 QB given a less than elite defense and other issues provide a better shot at a miracle ? Why are we so Dug In on Dak?

Ill tell you what buddy, if you can go find us a top 5 QB then go ahead. I would NEVER stop looking for a great QB, would never pass up one in the draft. Even if we had one now. But you need to understand that even a guy like that is going to need 3 or 4 years to develop with growing pains. Then you still have Garrett and the D. Dak has not become what he will mature to be yet.

HE has great leadership and work ethic. The drive to be great. The competitive spirit, the IT factor. Can you at least see that? So he has a shot to improve greatly upon his 2nd year.

But to answer your question, yah having the best QB in the NFL would help, but its not going to get us to a championship with an average D and Garrett.

 

[PhillyCowboysFan]

I can’t believe this thread is at 41 pages and I just now opened it. I tried to stay away from this conversation and you know what, I will. Lol

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Do you like winning? Because Dak has been 22-10 his first two seasons thus far. And all of that was with Garrett as head coach and a marginal defense. 6 games with a bad Oline and no Zeke.

Sorry that you cant see that my man. As a guy who is always highly critical of the Cowboys, my take is that Dak is the real deal. To me it is laughably obvious.

I think you guys just get stuck on the Romo thing. I was a HUGE Romo guy, but it was time for him to go. Dak needs to gain experience and that includes growing pains which we went through last year and there will be more. Probably at some point in the playoffs going forward. ONE of the big reasons I wanted to move on from Romo. The team around the QB was NOT ready. Needed a few more years of good drafts and better management. We are getting that now. Dak is already in year 3. Hopefully its coming together.

this is where we agree. I like Dak. He is not Romo and will never be romo. He is less accurate but its an issue that can get addressed during his off season work. with that said, I think we made a mistake when we didn't let Romo start once Dak went on the winning streak. In post season you need experience. no Rookie QB has ever made it to the superbowl. Playoffs are a different story, so I would have preferred Romo start the last 5 or 6 games and into the playoffs.

but with that said, it was time to let Romo go. too many injuries. too many years in a row....its Dak time.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The top elite QB don’t need an elite defense to reach the pinnacle.. just win it all.

not elite defense. but a good reliable defense. where we have lacked on defense is 3rd down conversion, having been among the lower 3rd for far too many years, which allows teams to keep drives alive. the defense has to get off the field.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think we’d all initially hoped we’d lucked out with Dak. But I don’t know anyone who thinks Dak is elite enough now to lead us to SB without a great defense and key pieces around him.

Why would we be sold on a QB like that with our organization?

what's the option? draft QBs? yes. and they are. last year they were ready to trade up to get Paxton lynch who is a bust. Jerry was kicking himself. you don't stop looking for the top QB, but you play what you have. you also continue to build your defense and rest of the team. if you happen to find that Elite QB then great...but its a bit of a guess work in draft. (although two years ago I was praying we trade up to get Wentz).

 

[CowboyRoy]

this is where we agree. I like Dak. He is not Romo and will never be romo. He is less accurate but its an issue that can get addressed during his off season work. with that said, I think we made a mistake when we didn't let Romo start once Dak went on the winning streak. In post season you need experience. no Rookie QB has ever made it to the superbowl. Playoffs are a different story, so I would have preferred Romo start the last 5 or 6 games and into the playoffs.

but with that said, it was time to let Romo go. too many injuries. too many years in a row....its Dak time.

Dak has things to work on, but there were no accuracy issues before the Oline went down. Romo and Dak are different QB's. Dak I agree will never be the pure passer that Romo, but Romo could NEVER be the type of dual threat QB that Dak is. Two completely different types of QB's. Dak has already proven to be a better leader, and better decision maker (throwing the ball away, not taking too many chances) and game manager at such a young age. Romo more of the gunslinger, wild mentality. Great for a team that isnt very good, but not so great if you have more of a complete team or a run first offense. Thats my personal opinion.

As far as Romo coming back to play I love what we did. The team wasnt winning the SB any way with Romo in his prime or Dak so going with the young guy and getting him the experience was better for me. Romo was done. And no way you take out a QB with an 11 game win streak leading the team the way Dak was. Had he faltered, no problem. He didnt. So I was fine with that. Where would we be today if Romo had played that year and possibly last year? Probably no playoff wins or maybe one and Dak with that much less experience. Look how this roster has been turned over with youth. Never would have happened with Romo at the helm. THE big youth movement was EXACTLY what this team needed.

 

[Kaiser]

I can’t believe this thread is at 41 pages and I just now opened it. I tried to stay away from this conversation and you know what, I will. Lol

Too funny, I saw the thread at 41 pages and knew exactly what it was, but still clicked on the last page to see if it wasn't just potbanging.

Now we know!

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Right here:

I was talking about the past, other coaches, that would likely have been worse than Garrett. You are talking about the present or future, coaches who might be better than Garrett. Two different things. Certainly you can't keep current coaches out of fear, but that wasn't what I was advocating.

You're putting meaning to my post that wasn't there, if that's how you interpret it I can't change that, but I know what I was saying and it wasn't that the Cowboys should keep Garrett because some other coach IN THE FUTURE might be worse than Garrett.