Which QB has the most 4th Quarter Comebacks

[BlueWave]

Okay, he also brought us from behind against the 49ers, but failed against the Raiders on the last play.

Out of 7 chances, he brought us back 5 times for the win.

 

[5Stars]

Does anyone have a list?
I know John Elway has the most but, how many does Drew Bledsoe currently have?

This is a joke, right! Because if it's not, you have no clue!

Krankcase....the Man, the Myth, the Legdend...is the one that saved all games...he led the leaque...

Pfffff...this thread is silly!

 

[SouthernStar]

Come-from-behind wins can take many forms.

Examples:

(1) Perhaps the team was 5 points down and the placekicker kicked two
4th quarter field goals. The QB gets the credit and HE didn't even have anything to do with the come-from-behind win.

(2) Maybe the other team fumbled the ball deep in their own territory and the QB really didn't have to do much to get the win. Perhaps he didn't even throw a pass, but the running game pounded it in for the score. Yet, the quarterback gets credit for a come-from-behind win.

(#) Maybe your defense intercepted a pass and ran it back for the winning touchdown. In this case, the QB had NOTHING to do with the come-from-behind win. Yet, he still gets the credit....

I think that I have sufficiently demonstrated that come-from-behind wins statistics are useless.

Unless you actually WATCHED the game, and saw that the QB was INSTRUMENTAL in the come-from-behind win, then it means nothing......

 

[jackrussell]

Just remember, your team has to BE BEHIND in order to COME FROM BEHIND. Which is one reason why it is an overrated stat.

Unless, of course, when we're talking about Roger Staubach.

 

[jackrussell]

Come-from-behind wins can take many forms.

Examples:

(1) Perhaps the team was 5 points down and the placekicker kicked two
4th quarter field goals. The QB gets the credit and HE didn't even have anything to do with the come-from-behind win.

(2) Maybe the other team fumbled the ball deep in their own territory and the QB really didn't have to do much to get the win. Perhaps he didn't even throw a pass, but the running game pounded it in for the score. Yet, the quarterback gets credit for a come-from-behind win.

(#) Maybe your defense intercepted a pass and ran it back for the winning touchdown. In this case, the QB had NOTHING to do with the come-from-behind win. Yet, he still gets the credit....

I think that I have sufficiently demonstrated that come-from-behind wins statistics are useless....

Maybe.

 

[AdamJT13]

Table 1. Top 10 quarterbacks at comebacks since 1996
Rank Quarterback Wins Losses
1 Jake Plummer 19 28
2 Peyton Manning 19 29
2 Vinny Testaverde 19 29
4 Tom Brady 13 8
5 Jon Kitna 15 23
6 Kerry Collins 17 30
7 Donovan McNabb 12 15
8 Marc Bulger 10 5
9 Jake Delhomme 10 12
9 Jay Fiedler 10 12

A very comprehensive breakdown:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/ramblings.php?p=3978&cat=0

Is it just me, or are the tables in that article all messed up? A 19-29 record is better than a 13-8 record?

 

[JMead]

Come-from-behind wins can take many forms.

Examples:

(1) Perhaps the team was 5 points down and the placekicker kicked two
4th quarter field goals. The QB gets the credit and HE didn't even have anything to do with the come-from-behind win.

(2) Maybe the other team fumbled the ball deep in their own territory and the QB really didn't have to do much to get the win. Perhaps he didn't even throw a pass, but the running game pounded it in for the score. Yet, the quarterback gets credit for a come-from-behind win.

(#) Maybe your defense intercepted a pass and ran it back for the winning touchdown. In this case, the QB had NOTHING to do with the come-from-behind win. Yet, he still gets the credit....

I think that I have sufficiently demonstrated that come-from-behind wins statistics are useless.

Unless you actually WATCHED the game, and saw that the QB was INSTRUMENTAL in the come-from-behind win, then it means nothing......

Those sound like Tom Brady . Let me explain. About half of Brady's " comebacks " have been on the foot of Adam V ( however you spell his last name ).

Edit : Hostile.. Despite what you think. Drew Bledsoe was credited the win versus the Steelers.

 

[Hostile]

Is it just me, or are the tables in that article all messed up? A 19-29 record is better than a 13-8 record?

No it isn't just you. I've been trying to figure it out forever. There's a 13 above a 17 so it isn't win totals.

 

[itoldyouSOE]

I looked over a few rosters that Drew played on while in NE and they didn't look that poor to me. Perhaps it's just me. That happens but I don't know that I would agree with the perception that Bledsoe played on lots of sorry teams.

1) Bledsoe led the Patriots to the playoffs in 4 of his 8 years as a starter in NE. I'd say that's very good. Better than a lot of QBs out there.

2) Name an o-lineman Drew had with the Pats that you wished you had, especially early in his career.

3) For as good as you think the roster looks to you on paper, let's look at some facts:

-The Pats' running game ranked between 10-27 in terms of total yards during Drew's time as a starter, good for an average of 22nd (22 out of 30 teams, for the most part.) It gets no better in terms of yards per attempt, where his team had seasons where they were ranked between 14 and 28, for an average of 24th. Just plain bad.

-The Pats had a decent D while Bledsoe was under helm, ranking from 7 to 25, for an average of 14 (again mostly out of 30 teams). This smacks of mediocrity to me. It should be noted again that Bledsoe and Steve McNair are the ONLY QBs in over the past decade to lead teams with a non-top-10 defense to the Super Bowl. So with a D that hung around middle of the pack in the league, I'd say Bledsoe did well getting the Pats to the playoffs in 50% of his time as a starter.

4) 1995 was similar to 2005 for Bledsoe. His FG kicker, Matt Bahr made 23 of 33 FGs (67.7%) in '05. The Pats lost 4 games by 5 points or less and 3 games by 3 points or less. As was the case this year, he set his team up to win, only to be let down by his special teams.

5) So with a running game ranking close to the bottom quarter of the league and a defense right at the mid-point, please, tell us all again how great these teams were that Bledsoe had in NE and how Bledsoe fouled it all up for them. The facts appear to be standing in your way.

 

[Hostile]

Name an o-lineman Drew had with the Pats that you wished you had, especially early in his career.

Uh, Bruce Armstrong.

14 seasons, His 1st was 1987, last was 2000, making him a teammate of Bledsoe's 7 years. He made the Pro Bowl 6 times as a LT, (can you say "blindside?") 4 straight years as a teammate of Bledsoe.

Is that good enough?

 

[itoldyouSOE]

Those sound like Tom Brady .

:laugh1:

Funny you should mention this, although Southernstar has a good point. QBs are NOT credited for comeback victories if the D returns an INT for a TD. For example, when we beat Filthy on an INT return in PHI last year, Bledsoe does not get credit for that as a comeback, nor should he. A QB has to either toss a TD or set up his RB to rush for a score or for his FG kicker to kick the game winner in order to get credit.

Here is an interesting comparison between Drew and Brady in terms of what they did to get credit for their comebacks (I count 32 for Bledsoe and 15 for Brady in the regular season):

Game Winning PASSING TDs
Bledsoe: 50% (16)
Brady: 33% (5)

Game Winning FIELD GOALS Set Up
Bledsoe: 31% (10)
Brady: 53% (8)

Game Winning RUSHING TDs Set Up
Bledsoe: 19% (6)
Brady: 13% (2)

It is important to note that both faced similar average deficits (-1.06 for Brady, -1.80 for Bledsoe). Brady relied MUCH MUCH more heavily on his kicking unit to win the game for his team, as Vinatieri accounts for over half of Brady's comebacks. Bledsoe, on the other hand, has exactly half his comebacks coming via way of a passing TD. Bledsoe is more clutch than he is given credit.

 

[itoldyouSOE]

Uh, Bruce Armstrong.

14 seasons, His 1st was 1987, last was 2000, making him a teammate of Bledsoe's 7 years. He made the Pro Bowl 6 times as a LT, (can you say "blindside?") 4 straight years as a teammate of Bledsoe.

Is that good enough?

My bad. Armstrong was very good. Who else? 1 man does not make a line. And I know you are not trying to argue that the Pats of the 90s were known for their great o-line. We're not talking Newton, Stepnoski, Williams, Allen and Tuinei here (27 pro bowls between them). I mean, Troy had 2 - 3 o-linemen who were perennial pro-bowlers. Bledsoe had the likes of Mike Arthur, Rich Baldinger, Eugene Chung, Mike Gisler, and Todd Rucci.

I was reminded of this a few months back when SportsCenter ran a special on SuperBowl chokes, and one of those profiled was Max Lane, who was absoltuely man-handled in the second half by Reggie White.

 

[rcaldw]

:laugh1:

Funny you should mention this, although Southernstar has a good point. QBs are NOT credited for comeback victories if the D returns an INT for a TD. For example, when we beat Filthy on an INT return in PHI last year, Bledsoe does not get credit for that as a comeback, nor should he. A QB has to either toss a TD or set up his RB to rush for a score or for his FG kicker to kick the game winner in order to get credit.

Here is an interesting comparison between Drew and Brady in terms of what they did to get credit for their comebacks (I count 32 for Bledsoe and 15 for Brady in the regular season):

Game Winning PASSING TDs
Bledsoe: 50% (16)
Brady: 33% (5)

Game Winning FIELD GOALS Set Up
Bledsoe: 31% (10)
Brady: 53% (8)

Game Winning RUSHING TDs Set Up
Bledsoe: 19% (6)
Brady: 13% (2)

It is important to note that both faced similar average deficits (-1.06 for Brady, -1.80 for Bledsoe). Brady relied MUCH MUCH more heavily on his kicking unit to win the game for his team, as Vinatieri accounts for over half of Brady's comebacks. Bledsoe, on the other hand, has exactly half his comebacks coming via way of a passing TD. Bledsoe is more clutch than he is given credit.

SUPER BOWL WINS: BRADY (3) - BLEDSOE (0)

I can't stand Tom Brady, but I get weary of people not getting the fact that Football isn't baseball, and the only stat that matters in the end is WINNING.

 

[itoldyouSOE]

SUPER BOWL WINS: BRADY (3) - BLEDSOE (0)

I can't stand Tom Brady, but I get weary of people not getting the fact that Football isn't baseball, and the only stat that matters in the end is WINNING.

I don't dispute this. The topic of this post is comeback victories.

And like baseball, football is a team sport. One player does not win it all. Brady has cashed in when given perfect circumstances (#6, #1, #2 ranked Ds in his SB years; Dillon sets Pats franchise rushing record in '04; D creates turnovers to rank them in top 10, #1 in some cases). But when he has a situation this year like Drew has had for a majority of his career (average D, bad running game), his fate was the same as Bledsoe's: great stats, no ring. It takes a team, not just Tom Brady. That's what some people just don't get.

 

[Hostile]

My bad. Armstrong was very good. Who else? 1 man does not make a line. And I know you are not trying to argue that the Pats of the 90s were known for their great o-line. We're not talking Newton, Stepnoski, Williams, Allen and Tuinei here (27 pro bowls between them). I mean, Troy had 2 - 3 o-linemen who were perennial pro-bowlers. Bledsoe had the likes of Mike Arthur, Rich Baldinger, Eugene Chung, Mike Gisler, and Todd Rucci.

Did I maintain the Patriots were the equivalent of the early 90's Cowboys line? Uh, that would be no. You asked for even 1 OL who played with Brady that I'd take. I produced one.

Now the task is to find another one or even more ridiculous, prove the Patriots OL was equal to the Cowboys. Well, it wasn't so why even go there.

Bledsoe had no talented teammates other than Armstrong I suppose?

I think Ben Coates, Curtis Martin, Andre Tippett, Ty Law, Terry Glenn, Willie McGinnest, Chris Slade, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, among others might disagree with you. And so might some of the players who faced them.

No coaching? Parcells and Belichek are Hall of Famers most likely.

The picture of this guy with no help for his entire career is just pure hogwash.

 

[itoldyouSOE]

Did I maintain the Patriots were the equivalent of the early 90's Cowboys line? Uh, that would be no. You asked for even 1 OL who played with Brady that I'd take. I produced one.

Now the task is to find another one or even more ridiculous, prove the Patriots OL was equal to the Cowboys. Well, it wasn't so why even go there.

Bledsoe had no talented teammates other than Armstrong I suppose?

I think Ben Coates, Curtis Martin, Andre Tippett, Ty Law, Terry Glenn, Willie McGinnest, Chris Slade, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy, among others might disagree with you. And so might some of the players who faced them.

No coaching? Parcells and Belichek are Hall of Famers most likely.

The picture of this guy with no help for his entire career is just pure hogwash.

To quote a phrase so often uttered by you: Uh, no, I never said that.

Never said Bledsoe did not have talented teammates so I'm not sure why you're saying I did. To be sure, the ones you list, among others, were key reasons for the Pats success, and a reason Bledsoe was able to lead the Pats to the playoffs in 4 of 8 seasons. Over nearly a decade, a player is bound to play with some other equally great players, so I'm not quite sure what your point is here. But anyway ...

Of all the things you focus on in my original post (I think I had 5 points, you focused on Bruce Armstrong), you still cannot refute the stats. The stats prove that, despite all these great players the Pats had that you are so enamoured with and 2 hall of fame coaches, the running games and defenses were nothing more than average to near worst in the league in Bledsoe's 8 seasons in NE.

So yeah, the stats back me up, Bledsoe has played on some bad, bad teams during his career with some horrible o-lines, save for Bruce Armstrong of course. He played with some good to great players and was the reason that many of these players (Glenn, Coates, Peerless Price, Eric Moulds) had great or career seasons with him.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Damian Woody was pretty damn good. Still is. Andruzzi was also pretty good. I guess it really doesn't matter. I could say anybody and you would find fault with it. I am fine with allowing history to be the judge of Bledsoe and the Patriots.

 

[itoldyouSOE]

Damian Woody was pretty damn good. Still is. Andruzzi was also pretty good. I guess it really doesn't matter. I could say anybody and you would find fault with it. I am fine with allowing history to be the judge of Bledsoe and the Patriots.

Does the definition of "pretty damn good" or "pretty good" = ZERO combined Pro Bowls, 'cause that's exactly what the two linemen you mentioned have between them.

Of all the guys that have protected Bledsoe in NE, we have come up with ONE pro bowler (Armstrong) and two average, maybe pretty good, guys in Woody who started as a ROOKIE in '99 (see Pettiti) protecting Bledsoe and Andruzzi (00) who protected Bledsoe for 15 games in his career. Generally, linemen aren't all-world in their first year or two in the league. Woody and Andruzzi were young-uns when Bledsoe was in NE. They had their moments, and Woody ended up commanding a decent salary from the Lions. But over the course of 8 years and 128 games, this is the o-line you're giving me?

 

[Hostile]

To quote a phrase so often uttered by you: Uh, no, I never said that.

Never said Bledsoe did not have talented teammates so I'm not sure why you're saying I did. To be sure, the ones you list, among others, were key reasons for the Pats success, and a reason Bledsoe was able to lead the Pats to the playoffs in 4 of 8 seasons. Over nearly a decade, a player is bound to play with some other equally great players, so I'm not quite sure what your point is here. But anyway ...

Of all the things you focus on in my original post (I think I had 5 points, you focused on Bruce Armstrong), you still cannot refute the stats. The stats prove that, despite all these great players the Pats had that you are so enamoured with and 2 hall of fame coaches, the running games and defenses were nothing more than average to near worst in the league in Bledsoe's 8 seasons in NE.

So yeah, the stats back me up, Bledsoe has played on some bad, bad teams during his career with some horrible o-lines, save for Bruce Armstrong of course. He played with some good to great players and was the reason that many of these players (Glenn, Coates, Peerless Price, Eric Moulds) had great or career seasons with him.

Post #29 of this thread is meant to leave that impression and it seems to be a repetitive theme. He had no running game. He had no OL. He had no kicker. He had no help. Woe is Drew. It's not his fault.

Broken record.

Uh, yeah he did. There are QBs in NFL History who'd kill to play for the coaches he has with the weapons he's had.

 

[Hostile]

Damian Woody was pretty damn good. Still is. Andruzzi was also pretty good. I guess it really doesn't matter. I could say anybody and you would find fault with it. I am fine with allowing history to be the judge of Bledsoe and the Patriots.

Forgot him. Nice job. The well gets a little more water.