Which teams in the NFC do you think are better than us?

[Little Jr]

I'm not saying Carolina is a bad team but why does so many think theyre better and some think they're the best in the NFC?

 

[The30YardSlant]

I'm not saying Carolina is a bad team but why does so many think theyre better and some think they're the best in the NFC?

They have arguably the best WR in the game, and another top 10-15 WR on the other side

They have a great O-Line

Their D-Line is the best in the NFL and probably the best in the last decade.

When you have great lines, you are always a favorite

 

[chinch]

None are "head and shoulders". The only one imho that is above the level of the boys is Carolina. They have a stable system, are well coached and have proven it over the past few years.

Sea benefits from a weak, weak division and I put the boys above them (we had them beat last year sans bone-headed pass and inept FG kicking).

You can bunch up alot of other teams who might make the playoffs based on schedule, injuries or some lucky bounces. (NYG, WAS, ATL, TB, CHI)

IMHO ATL/TB would struggle to win 6 games in our division last year or next.

 

[Uh-Oh]

I'm not saying Carolina is a bad team but why does so many think theyre better and some think they're the best in the NFC?

A Good O-line that keeps Delhomme upright long enough to find Steve Smith.

A great D-line became better with the addition of a massive run-stuffer. Pus he's Samoan.

Their offense was a one man threat, yet they dominated. This year they have Keyshawn to aid Steve Smith. One elite WR plus a vet with hands is gonna be tough to overcome. Who knows who they will draft to supplement the running game. DeAngelo Williams is a strong possiblity.

They only question on defense is how to replace LB Will Witherspoon. Well, this is the draft to find LB's.

They didn't lose alot of players from last year either.

 

[peplaw06]

*SIGH* this is going to take a while...

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Originally Posted by peplaw06
I'm assuming you're premise is that it gets settled on the field.

That's what I am saying.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by peplaw06
Then how can TB, Chicago, and Carolina be better?


Because they won MORE and lost LESS than we did. They finished the season stronger than we did. Until we can prove (on the field) that WE can do that, they are better than we are.

Yes, but they didn't settle that on the field WITH US... 1) We beat Carolina, 2) Chicago's division was terrible. We all saw what they did against Carolina in the playoffs. Thus you're comparing our team to theirs ON PAPER, because it wasn't settled on the field with us.

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Originally Posted by peplaw06
You have to give some credence to "on paper" ratings. Obviously no one knows what FA and draft moves are going to pan out


Those two statements contradict each other. The second proves the first false (or highly questionable at best).

I don't even need to respond to this, because you left out the rest of my statement... you can't ignore what a team has done in FA or the draft when it comes to trying to predict what is going to happen. None of the teams are going to be the same as they were last year. Saying that Chicago is going to be better than us, simply because they made the playoffs last year and we didn't, is stupid. I guess we should just give up the season because those 6 teams will take up all the playoffs spots. Plus we're not going to play all those teams in the regular season... we don't play Seattle or Chicago this season. Say we don't play those teams but we go 12-4 and make the playoffs, and Chicago drops off and misses the playoffs, does that mean they're still a better team because we didn't settle it on the field?? If you say yes simply because we made the playoffs and they didn't, that's an "on paper" comparison.

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to......say it has to be settled on the field is naive...

Not naive...but true. Otherwise, why would they play the games? Why not just declare the winner after the offseason?

Again, way to edit my statement, take it out of context, etc... The mediots would be proud of you. I said that ignoring moves teams made in the offseason is naive. Like I just said, if we're just going to compare teams by how they performed last year, then those 6 teams that you say are better than us will get the playoff spots, and we should just give up. It is completely naive to not give any consideration to what any team has done in the offseason. I'm not saying that just because of the moves we made that we are better, but you have to take them into account.

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plus it's no fun

Sorry. I thought that this was a thread for honest opinions. Not a joke thread.

Just an attempt to lighten the mood, but that apparently didn't take. But now you've chopped up my words and taken them out of context, so it looks like you're the one trying to make a joke out of this thread.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Ask me again when the playoffs start when it is more important. A lot can happen between now and then.

 

[Future]

Ask me again when the playoffs start when it is more important. A lot can happen between now and then.

a woman could get pregnant and have a baby in that time span

 

[LaTunaNostra]

"on paper" doesn't mean a thing to me. So (going by last year's actual performance):
Giants
Washington
Chicago
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Seattle

Yep, and I think all will be superior (Skins, Hawks, and Panthers considerably, Bucs and Bears measurably, and Jints marginally) to us this year as well.

 

[Gibbs II]

They have arguably the best WR in the game, and another top 10-15 WR on the other side

Keyshawn a top 10-15WR??

Lets go down the list in no particular order..

Marvin
Steve Smith
Chad
Santana
Javon Walker
Plaxico
Larry Fitz
Anquan
TO
Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Hines Ward
Holt
Chris Chambers
Andre Davis
Donald Driver

Thats just off the top of my head.


Other guys who are probably better ...

TJ Housh
Lee Evans
D. Mason


I say Keyshawn is in the 20-25 best WR in the NFL.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Keyshawn a top 10-15WR??

Lets go down the list in no particular order..

Marvin
Steve Smith
Chad
Santana
Javon Walker
Plaxico
Larry Fitz
Anquan
TO
Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Hines Ward
Holt
Chris Chambers
Andre Davis
Donald Driver

Thats just off the top of my head.


Other guys who are probably better ...

TJ Housh
Lee Evans
D. Mason


I say Keyshawn is in the 20-25 best WR in the NFL.

Marvin - Yes
Steve Smith - Yes
Chad - Yes
Santana - Yes
Javon Walker - Yes
Plaxico - No
Larry Fitz - Yes
Anquan - Yes
TO - Yes
Randy Moss - Yes
Reggie Wayne - No (product of Manning, Harrison)
Hines Ward - Yes
Holt - Yes
Chris Chambers - Yes
Andre Davis - No
Donald Driver - No
TJ Housh - No
Lee Evans - No
D. Mason - No

 

[RiggoForever]

I could show you a video clip of Crayton owning Sean Taylor you know

David

You're right...and this is a Cowboys site so I'll edit my signature once again (had to take away the hit on McNabb because it was animated).

That being said, its great to have the rivalry and anticipation of the games back.

 

[RiggoForever]

They have arguably the best WR in the game, and another top 10-15 WR on the other side

They have a great O-Line

Their D-Line is the best in the NFL and probably the best in the last decade.

When you have great lines, you are always a favorite

I don't think their OL is that great...Delhomme was getting hammered in the playoffs repeatedly.

Their DL is outstanding but not all that much better then that of any of the NFC East teams IMO.

They are just a weird team who can play freakishly well or look outright mediocre each week.

 

[playboidolla]

I dont understand why everyone thinks Carolina is the team to beat? What have they proven to be the team to beat? In my opinion they havent proved anything but to be a disappointment. Carolina to me is one of the most "well balanced teams" but I dont like at them as the team to beat in NFC next year. There offensive line is average they may play above on occasions but the last time I checked wasnt Jack sacked like 8 times when they played Chicago....bettere yet when they played Dallas last year how many times to Ware get to him? Jake Delhomme is a decent QB but he is not near the best in the NFL his stats are no stellar at all and you talk about Drew Bledsoe......Jake= 24 tds 16 INTS 262-435 3421 60% comp......Drew= 23 TDS 17 INTS 300-499 3639 60% comp......They have an very very unproved RB he gets injured everytime you touch him and whats make them so much better? They have a great defense but its still not the best in the NFC. Tampa Bay & Chicago both ranked higher then them in defense in total yards. They ranked 11 out 16 teams in the NFC last year in total offense but yet there the team to beat in the NFC? They didnt even win there division last year. Yes they made it to the championship game only to get demolished by a Seattle team which didnt even have a spectacular defense. People say Settle & Carolina are the teams to beat only because they made the championship game not because of what the truth is. In my opinion Dallas is very even with Seattle & Carolina because the games we played against them proved it! When we played those 2 teams last season it was a very very even match up! Im not sayin Dallas is the best team in the NFC but I dont think any team has an advantage over them. I think its pretty well evens out all depends on how you look at it!

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Carolina still has an overrated team.

Weak at RB, because there isnt one guy on the roster that can remain healthy.

OL can not run block very well, nor can they pass protect against in the middle, thus a weak pocket.

Delhomme still has problems making reads down the field, and thus the reason Foster is always his second read.

TEs are iffy at best.

Lost their arguably best LB (Witherspoon).
Buckner is gone.
WR depth beyond Key and Steve is still an issue.
Mike Minter isnt getting any younger.
Nickelback is vastly overated and consistently burned.

I said they were overrated last year and I will hold that thought until they start to beat better teams. This years schedule stacks up as a little tougher road for them as it looks right now.

 

[Galian Beast]

Firstly, I'd say no team in the NFC is head and shoulders better than us.

In terms of better on paper right now, I'd say

Seattle - Better OL, more solid at RB (proven runner, that is), Hasselback seems to have really matured. (That said, I think our starting WRs and TE is better.)

Carolina - maybe. But I think we're roughly equal right now.

I consider the NFC East teams more or less equal - all within 1-2 games of each other.

Who else would you add to the list?

We're definitely better than Seattle. Our offense is just as good with the addition of Terrell Owens, and our defense is much better. They had a better offensive line, but with the loss of Hutchinson, expect a major downgrade on their line. I'd take Bledsoe over Hasselbeck any day. They probably have a more explosive system than us though. How dou you think we pretty much controlled Seattle for the best part of that game last year? They haven't really gotten better, where as we have. If we had vanderjagt, we'd have beaten them last year. And we played them with our team at half strength.

Carolina is pretty good, but drastically overrated. I'd say we were about equal with them or better, I think we probably have the edge on them. We beat the crap out of them last year, and I think if we get an edge runner opposite of Ware, our defense will actually be better than theirs. I think it is a lot easier to shut down Smith than it is to shut down owens. And most of us would say Glenn is better than Johnson. Bledsoe is also better than delhomme. Neither of our starting running backs can stay healthy though.

Our offense is much better than Atlanta's or Tampa Bay's especially without Griese. Our defenses will be just as good. Probably better than Tampa Bay's next year. Not sure about Atlanta's. We're a top 5 defense in the making.

We beat the Giants the first time through, and the second time, we were more of a shell than they were.

Chicago is overrated, and if you actually watched them you would know that.

Washington certainly isn't better than us. They've done a lot to improve their team though, and they're going to be good, but I don't think they're better than us. And I wouldn't go off of what happened last year.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

I dont understand why everyone thinks Carolina is the team to beat? What have they proven to be the team to beat? In my opinion they havent proved anything but to be a disappointment. Carolina to me is one of the most "well balanced teams" but I dont like at them as the team to beat in NFC next year. There offensive line is average they may play above on occasions but the last time I checked wasnt Jack sacked like 8 times when they played Chicago....bettere yet when they played Dallas last year how many times to Ware get to him? Jake Delhomme is a decent QB but he is not near the best in the NFL his stats are no stellar at all and you talk about Drew Bledsoe......Jake= 24 tds 16 INTS 262-435 3421 60% comp......Drew= 23 TDS 17 INTS 300-499 3639 60% comp......They have an very very unproved RB he gets injured everytime you touch him and whats make them so much better? They have a great defense but its still not the best in the NFC. Tampa Bay & Chicago both ranked higher then them in defense in total yards. They ranked 11 out 16 teams in the NFC last year in total offense but yet there the team to beat in the NFC? They didnt even win there division last year. Yes they made it to the championship game only to get demolished by a Seattle team which didnt even have a spectacular defense. People say Settle & Carolina are the teams to beat only because they made the championship game not because of what the truth is. In my opinion Dallas is very even with Seattle & Carolina because the games we played against them proved it! When we played those 2 teams last season it was a very very even match up! Im not sayin Dallas is the best team in the NFC but I dont think any team has an advantage over them. I think its pretty well evens out all depends on how you look at it!

I am with this guy. Nice post and welcome to the board.

 

[Uh-Oh]

This question might be better addressed after the draft. And then after preseason.

 

[dynasty_in_88]

He talkin about now man

 

[Galian Beast]

NFC ratings (keep in mind that we weren't the same team more than half way through the season).

Ranked 7th in the NFC in total yard per game. Without Terrell Owens.

Only "good teams" that ranked above us were:

Seattle, New York, Washington, Atlanta. In terms of offense. And I'd definitely say adding T.O. probably gives us the best offense in the NFC. The difference between us and Seattle was 44.6 yards per game. We're also ranked 7th in points per game.

We were ranked 7th in yard per game allowed on defense as well. teams ranked ahead of us that were considered good were: tampa bay, Chicago, carolina, and washington. We were ranked 6th in points allowed per game.

We were ranked 30th in overall field goal percentage. Indianapolis was ranked 5th. Difference was 71.4 percent compared to 88.5 percent. Only arizona had more points scored by kicking AND a higher field goal percentage than Indy. Indy was ranked 27th in overall field goal attempts.

 

[blindzebra]

That's weird. In the light, if you look at it just right, it looks like you typed AZ, like in Arizona, at the end of that last sentence.

I did.

Edge + two great young WRs and the 2nd best defense in their division. They are an improved OL away from being a playoff contender.