While Watching DeMarcus Ware's Press Conference...

[Hostile]

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...I cannot help but notice that many of the adjectives thrown around on this forum and others about this team do not seem to apply. Just this week I read one poster's opinion that the players and others around football view Jerry Jones as a joke. All evidence to the contrary. Listen to DeMarcus Ware and his agent, Pat Dye, in that Press Conference.

I think Dye's commentary about the professionalism of the Cowboys is encouraging. Bag on Jerry all you want for the mistakes of his tenure as Owner/GM, and that is fine, but this front office is clearly no joke. I've seen upset fans make comparisons to the Commanders and Raiders. I just don't see it. I don't see it at all.

Where are our players in the media airing dirty laundry about the franchise? Where is our DeAngelo Hall talking about the problems start at the top all the way to ownership? Think Greg Ellis is happy in Oakland? Read some of his recent responses. There's simply no comparison folks.

Now, I'm not defending Jerry here. I know many will not see it that way. That's fine. Anyone can run around with blinders on and say whatever they want about him as a GM. This is my turn to do so. You can have yours in your responses.

I do not like his coaching hires for the most part. I think this franchise deserves the absolute best Head Coach in the NFL, or it deserves a young lion on the rise. I do not see that in Wade Phillips and never have. I openly admit that when Parcells quit Jerry ran the most thorough coaching interview process of his life. Wade was the best choice at that time. I cannot say that right now, today, Wade is the best choice for Head Coach. I can't do it.

I think Jerry will eventually roll the dice on Garrett as the young lion on the rise. I know some will lose their heads in hating that idea. It's hard for me to fathom given how well the Offense is working right now. Be that as it may, I know it is impossible for all fans to see things the same way.

Jerry's coaching decisions aside, I cannot fault him for the Cowboys Front Office's vision on how to acquire and keep talent on this football team. Locking up Demarcus Ware for the long haul is exactly what I want of a GM and Front Office. I'm not saying other GMs and teams wouldn't and couldn't do the same. They absolutely could. I have always seen the GM job as more than just one man's input. It is clear to me we have that.

Stephen Jones does a great job with these contracts. You can hear that in Dye's comments. I think our Scouting Department also are proving that they can do a great job. Is anyone on this forum upset with Keith Brooking? What about with Gerald Sensabaugh? Igor Olshansky? If you are I cannot understand why. Especially Brooking. I was not very high on that signing. Oh boy was I wrong. He has been great. All I could have asked for and more. Fans were pissed that we didn't spend all kinds of money to get Ray Lewis.

That's the problem with being a fan. We know the big names and think we need all of them. Yet here is Keith Brooking and all he has brought is exactly what we felt Lewis would bring. For one fifth the price Lewis would have commanded. Maybe less. Call it whatever you want. I call that good management.

I know we all want to see this translate to wins in December and January. What I have never understood is why people are so quick to give up before we even get to that point on the calendar. Sunday I read a post that said we were losing 2 of the 3 games ahead of us including the Falcons game. I take that to mean we are therefore losing to the Seahawks and the Eagles in the next 2 weeks. Call me crazy, but I don't see it.

I think we can win both. Neither the Seahawks nor the Eagles impress me the way the Giants do. The way the Broncos have. When we were 2-2 I got a Pm from a longtime friend on these forums asking me if I was concerned yet. Without calling him out publicly I would simply ask him, "are you still concerned? Or do you finally see some of the improvement the team was talking about?"

Fans keep saying that "the players and coaches are saying all the right things." I don't get that. We want players as negative about this team as we as fans can be? In the name of all that is holy, why?

I'm truly sorry for the optimism of this post. I know that is not welcome in the eyes of many posters who are upset over the last 13 years. I understand the frustration. I share some of that too. I refuse to let those frustrations make me a myopic malcontent though.

Forgive me, but I like this team. I like how together they are. I like the character they display. I like how hard they are working. It isn't perfect by any wild stretch of the imagination. I don't like the penalties, injuries, or losses. I do however like that the team realizes where they need to improve and continue to work on these things. Will it translate to wins in December and January? I don't know. Unlike some around here I'm not clairvoyant.

I believe we are pointed in the right direction and keeping players like DeMarcus Ware is evidence. I've heard our players described as stupid so many times in recent years that it is refreshing to me when I see just how wrong that description is about some of them. We've got a very good football team here. I would have thought that was impossible given the incompetence at every level.

 

[Fletch]

Hey, right there with ya my friend. Wish I could expand on this post some more, but lunch break is over. Again, very good post.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Great post Hos, and I would agree I share your optimism for the most part.

I agree 100% with your feelings on Wade, and for me, that is/was the only reason for my negative thoughts with this team. I just dont believe in him as a head coach. Hopefully we can win it all even if he is the HC.

After our mistake ridden Giants and Broncos games, and hardly beating KC, I can def. see where the skepticism is coming from, although I dont agree with it.

We have the talent on this team to make some noise. We just need to put it all together. We've been waiting on this team to do so for awhile, but it will come.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Sensabaughs probably the best signing all year considering the money

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Great post Hos, and I would agree I share your optimism for the most part.

I agree 100% with your feelings on Wade, and for me, that is/was the only reason for my negative thoughts with this team. I just dont believe in him as a head coach. Hopefully we can win it all even if he is the HC.

After our mistake ridden Giants and Broncos games, and hardly beating KC, I can def. see where the skepticism is coming from, although I dont agree with it.

We have the talent on this team to make some noise. We just need to put it all together. We've been waiting on this team to do so for awhile, but it will come.

The team we saw Sunday beats any team in the league by 10. Even NO and Indy.

But every time I watch classic footage on NFLN they got footage of Wade and his Wade face

 

[Arch Stanton]

Nice post. I'm still pissed Wade still around, but I am hopeful he may have started to improve the team. In my mind he's not the answer as a HC. I believe the next HC will be Garrett or Holmgren. At the moment my money is on Jerry keeping Garrett in the family portrait.

The Ware signing can add to the impetus gained from Sunday's win. Romo looked to be the Romo of 2007. More confidence and more zip on the ball. Where has Austin been hiding? LOL Lets hope he stays *I* free for the rest of the season.

Hopefully there wont be too many bumps in the road on the way to December. Then we'll see whether Wade has grown a pair. He needs to.....

 

[mmohican29]

Hos- these players that you mention are almost 100% Wade Phillips' guys. Brooking and Igor do not come here if not for Wade. Neither does Sensabaugh because he is a Joe D guy and Joe D is here because of Wade. Wade is here because of Jerry, and so is Jason. There has to be a program in place of some kind.

If not, you become the Raiders or Commanders. Instead of the down year or disappointing year, you have no future either and you start over way too often to ever really build something solid.

Jerry's no fool, I agree with you. I like the way the team does things in some regards and I see the problem with Jerry as a polarizing face of our team to the nation.

I see the why there is a perception that Wade is soft, Wade has never won, Wade can't motivate. We've experienced as Cowboys fans disappointment too long and too often, for sure. Wade's quiet demeanor, cabbage patch kid arms, chubby face and stretch waist pants don't exactly scream toughness I agree. The playoff flameout of 2007 was epic in its failure.

But look closer. Did Wade coach a bad game? Was it Wade that was wide open with 70 yards of green pasture to gallop through if he had caught the ball or was it Wade that drew wierd penalties in the 4th Qtr? No.

And it was Wade that was saddled with the likes of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in the secondary. It was Wade that had a young quick DE playing NT for the first time knowing that there would be some hiccups. It was Wade that had a flimsy Burnett and a the enigma that is Barbie at LB and tried to work with it.

A case can be made that Parcells left so much horse**** in the Cowboys lockerroom it should have been a stable.

Last year was a second transition if you look closer. Wade had nothing to do with the ticking Diva napalm bomb in the locker room. He just coached the team. The team had to go through what it did to get to where it is now, and the stench is starting to wear off a bit as new pups and some of the talent that the Tuna DID bring in is bearing fruit.

Just about every guy that Wade has a hand on has shown SOMETHING. I can't say that for just about any other coach in the league.

I just wish our fanbase could see inside the fishbowl as well as the people in the fishbowl see out of it. They would know the kind of job a man like Wade has done here and not be so quick to pull the plug on what may end up being the best decision possible.

Or not. But let's try and not despise a man that is a) committed b) classy and c) coaching vs. intimidating a team, front office, and fanbase into thinking he was better than he was.

If you look closely, Mike Karney is scoring again, Furrey is punishing the wall, and Pete Hunter is making plays. It's the players that learned to lose under Parcells that are turning the corner under Wade.

 

[Kobal]

Great post, sir. :clap2:

 

[tecolote]

Great post Hos.

I think Garrett will be a very good head coach, I hope he can do it here.

 

[Use Your Illusion]

The problem is exactly what you talked about in your post - the way the players view Jerry. The respect/fear/whatever it is. They should not have that for Jerry Jones. That should only be reserved for the Bill Belichick's and the Bill Parcells' of the world.

The problem in Dallas is everyone knows the buck stops with Jerry. As an owner/GM/whatever else, every player on this team knows the buck stops with him. That automatically makes the coach a lame duck. He has no authority because they all know Jerry calls the shots. Building a consistent winner starts at the top and that's why we haven't been able to build one.

I'm sure Jerry is a nice guy and he clearly wants to win. The problem is his ego. It gets in the way of any kind of success that the Cowboys are trying to achieve. As a GM, he has been through four different head coaches (make it five after he fires Wade in the offseason) since his last playoff win 13 yeras ago. There is not one General Manager in the NFL who would keep their job after that sort of mediocrity.

Until he removes himself from the spot of making decisions on football matters, he is the problem. Not a problem, THE problem.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

The problem is exactly what you talked about in your post - the way the players view Jerry. The respect/fear/whatever it is. They should not have that for Jerry Jones. That should only be reserved for the Bill Belichick's and the Bill Parcells' of the world.

The problem in Dallas is everyone knows the buck stops with Jerry. As an owner/GM/whatever else, every player on this team knows the buck stops with him. That automatically makes the coach a lame duck. He has no authority because they all know Jerry calls the shots. Building a consistent winner starts at the top and that's why we haven't been able to build one.

I'm sure Jerry is a nice guy and he clearly wants to win. The problem is his ego. It gets in the way of any kind of success that the Cowboys are trying to achieve. As a GM, he has been through four different head coaches (make it five after he fires Wade in the offseason) since his last playoff win 13 yeras ago. There is not one General Manager in the NFL who would keep their job after that sort of mediocrity.

Until he removes himself from the spot of making decisions on football matters, he is the problem. Not a problem, THE problem.

How, precisely, do you know how the players view Jerry? Random snippets from ESPN perhaps?

 

[Use Your Illusion]

How, precisely, do you know how the players view Jerry? Random snippets from ESPN perhaps?

Who do you think the players fear more:

Wade Phillips or Jerry Jones?

Be honest with yourself.

 

[TNCowboy]

13 years.....

 

[Daudr]

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...I cannot help but notice that many of the adjectives thrown around on this forum and others about this team do not seem to apply. Just this week I read one poster's opinion that the players and others around football view Jerry Jones as a joke. All evidence to the contrary. Listen to DeMarcus Ware and his agent, Pat Dye, in that Press Conference.

I think Dye's commentary about the professionalism of the Cowboys is encouraging. Bag on Jerry all you want for the mistakes of his tenure as Owner/GM, and that is fine, but this front office is clearly no joke. I've seen upset fans make comparisons to the Commanders and Raiders. I just don't see it. I don't see it at all.

Where are our players in the media airing dirty laundry about the franchise? Where is our DeAngelo Hall talking about the problems start at the top all the way to ownership? Think Greg Ellis is happy in Oakland? Read some of his recent responses. There's simply no comparison folks.

Now, I'm not defending Jerry here. I know many will not see it that way. That's fine. Anyone can run around with blinders on and say whatever they want about him as a GM. This is my turn to do so. You can have yours in your responses.

I do not like his coaching hires for the most part. I think this franchise deserves the absolute best Head Coach in the NFL, or it deserves a young lion on the rise. I do not see that in Wade Phillips and never have. I openly admit that when Parcells quit Jerry ran the most thorough coaching interview process of his life. Wade was the best choice at that time. I cannot say that right now, today, Wade is the best choice for Head Coach. I can't do it.

I think Jerry will eventually roll the dice on Garrett as the young lion on the rise. I know some will lose their heads in hating that idea. It's hard for me to fathom given how well the Offense is working right now. Be that as it may, I know it is impossible for all fans to see things the same way.

Jerry's coaching decisions aside, I cannot fault him for the Cowboys Front Office's vision on how to acquire and keep talent on this football team. Locking up Demarcus Ware for the long haul is exactly what I want of a GM and Front Office. I'm not saying other GMs and teams wouldn't and couldn't do the same. They absolutely could. I have always seen the GM job as more than just one man's input. It is clear to me we have that.

Stephen Jones does a great job with these contracts. You can hear that in Dye's comments. I think our Scouting Department also are proving that they can do a great job. Is anyone on this forum upset with Keith Brooking? What about with Gerald Sensabaugh? Igor Olshansky? If you are I cannot understand why. Especially Brooking. I was not very high on that signing. Oh boy was I wrong. He has been great. All I could have asked for and more. Fans were pissed that we didn't spend all kinds of money to get Ray Lewis.

That's the problem with being a fan. We know the big names and think we need all of them. Yet here is Keith Brooking and all he has brought is exactly what we felt Lewis would bring. For one fifth the price Lewis would have commanded. Maybe less. Call it whatever you want. I call that good management.

I know we all want to see this translate to wins in December and January. What I have never understood is why people are so quick to give up before we even get to that point on the calendar. Sunday I read a post that said we were losing 2 of the 3 games ahead of us including the Falcons game. I take that to mean we are therefore losing to the Seahawks and the Eagles in the next 2 weeks. Call me crazy, but I don't see it.

I think we can win both. Neither the Seahawks nor the Eagles impress me the way the Giants do. The way the Broncos have. When we were 2-2 I got a Pm from a longtime friend on these forums asking me if I was concerned yet. Without calling him out publicly I would simply ask him, "are you still concerned? Or do you finally see some of the improvement the team was talking about?"

Fans keep saying that "the players and coaches are saying all the right things." I don't get that. We want players as negative about this team as we as fans can be? In the name of all that is holy, why?

I'm truly sorry for the optimism of this post. I know that is not welcome in the eyes of many posters who are upset over the last 13 years. I understand the frustration. I share some of that too. I refuse to let those frustrations make me a myopic malcontent though.

Forgive me, but I like this team. I like how together they are. I like the character they display. I like how hard they are working. It isn't perfect by any wild stretch of the imagination. I don't like the penalties, injuries, or losses. I do however like that the team realizes where they need to improve and continue to work on these things. Will it translate to wins in December and January? I don't know. Unlike some around here I'm not clairvoyant.

I believe we are pointed in the right direction and keeping players like DeMarcus Ware is evidence. I've heard our players described as stupid so many times in recent years that it is refreshing to me when I see just how wrong that description is about some of them. We've got a very good football team here. I would have thought that was impossible given the incompetence at every level.

Thank god for this post. With all the naysaying on this forum lately I was beginning to wonder if I was one of the few remaining "true believers."

It's a long season, and they do have to show improvement at the end of the year, but we have good opportunities here. The games we lost, we did not lose by much and against good teams. One or two things go differently in those two losses, and we're staring at 6-0 right now - keep that in mind before starting all the bashing again.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

I love this team!

Don't like the excessive flags!

Great post Hos.

 

[KalEl]

Great Post! I couldn't agree more. JJ is the best owner in football and I get sick and tired of hearing people compare him to Snyder...JJ wants to win more than anything...can any other team truely say that?

 

[THUMPER]

Hos- these players that you mention are almost 100% Wade Phillips' guys. Brooking and Igor do not come here if not for Wade. Neither does Sensabaugh because he is a Joe D guy and Joe D is here because of Wade. Wade is here because of Jerry, and so is Jason. There has to be a program in place of some kind.

If not, you become the Raiders or Commanders. Instead of the down year or disappointing year, you have no future either and you start over way too often to ever really build something solid.

Jerry's no fool, I agree with you. I like the way the team does things in some regards and I see the problem with Jerry as a polarizing face of our team to the nation.

I see the why there is a perception that Wade is soft, Wade has never won, Wade can't motivate. We've experienced as Cowboys fans disappointment too long and too often, for sure. Wade's quiet demeanor, cabbage patch kid arms, chubby face and stretch waist pants don't exactly scream toughness I agree. The playoff flameout of 2007 was epic in its failure.

But look closer. Did Wade coach a bad game? Was it Wade that was wide open with 70 yards of green pasture to gallop through if he had caught the ball or was it Wade that drew wierd penalties in the 4th Qtr? No.

And it was Wade that was saddled with the likes of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in the secondary. It was Wade that had a young quick DE playing NT for the first time knowing that there would be some hiccups. It was Wade that had a flimsy Burnett and a the enigma that is Barbie at LB and tried to work with it.

A case can be made that Parcells left so much horse**** in the Cowboys lockerroom it should have been a stable.

Last year was a second transition if you look closer. Wade had nothing to do with the ticking Diva napalm bomb in the locker room. He just coached the team. The team had to go through what it did to get to where it is now, and the stench is starting to wear off a bit as new pups and some of the talent that the Tuna DID bring in is bearing fruit.

Just about every guy that Wade has a hand on has shown SOMETHING. I can't say that for just about any other coach in the league.

I just wish our fanbase could see inside the fishbowl as well as the people in the fishbowl see out of it. They would know the kind of job a man like Wade has done here and not be so quick to pull the plug on what may end up being the best decision possible.

Or not. But let's try and not despise a man that is a) committed b) classy and c) coaching vs. intimidating a team, front office, and fanbase into thinking he was better than he was.

If you look closely, Mike Karney is scoring again, Furrey is punishing the wall, and Pete Hunter is making plays. It's the players that learned to lose under Parcells that are turning the corner under Wade.

Excellent post!

Great thread Hos!

 

[burmafrd]

Love how the BP haters like mmhoican always leave out the good players he found and concentrates on the losers, etc. Now when did Reeves leave? And Hunter- what a joke. What has he done outside of one game? All late rd picks that you hope give you something. Just how well has Wades - and we know that is a joke in itself- late rd picks done? By the way Wade supposedly is the one that keeps carpenter around.

 

[CosmicCowboy]

Great post Hos.....:starspin

 

[CosmicCowboy]

Hos- these players that you mention are almost 100% Wade Phillips' guys. Brooking and Igor do not come here if not for Wade. Neither does Sensabaugh because he is a Joe D guy and Joe D is here because of Wade. Wade is here because of Jerry, and so is Jason. There has to be a program in place of some kind.

If not, you become the Raiders or Commanders. Instead of the down year or disappointing year, you have no future either and you start over way too often to ever really build something solid.

Jerry's no fool, I agree with you. I like the way the team does things in some regards and I see the problem with Jerry as a polarizing face of our team to the nation.

I see the why there is a perception that Wade is soft, Wade has never won, Wade can't motivate. We've experienced as Cowboys fans disappointment too long and too often, for sure. Wade's quiet demeanor, cabbage patch kid arms, chubby face and stretch waist pants don't exactly scream toughness I agree. The playoff flameout of 2007 was epic in its failure.

But look closer. Did Wade coach a bad game? Was it Wade that was wide open with 70 yards of green pasture to gallop through if he had caught the ball or was it Wade that drew wierd penalties in the 4th Qtr? No.

And it was Wade that was saddled with the likes of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in the secondary. It was Wade that had a young quick DE playing NT for the first time knowing that there would be some hiccups. It was Wade that had a flimsy Burnett and a the enigma that is Barbie at LB and tried to work with it.

A case can be made that Parcells left so much horse**** in the Cowboys lockerroom it should have been a stable.

Last year was a second transition if you look closer. Wade had nothing to do with the ticking Diva napalm bomb in the locker room. He just coached the team. The team had to go through what it did to get to where it is now, and the stench is starting to wear off a bit as new pups and some of the talent that the Tuna DID bring in is bearing fruit.

Just about every guy that Wade has a hand on has shown SOMETHING. I can't say that for just about any other coach in the league.

I just wish our fanbase could see inside the fishbowl as well as the people in the fishbowl see out of it. They would know the kind of job a man like Wade has done here and not be so quick to pull the plug on what may end up being the best decision possible.

Or not. But let's try and not despise a man that is a) committed b) classy and c) coaching vs. intimidating a team, front office, and fanbase into thinking he was better than he was.

If you look closely, Mike Karney is scoring again, Furrey is punishing the wall, and Pete Hunter is making plays. It's the players that learned to lose under Parcells that are turning the corner under Wade.

not bad...