While Watching DeMarcus Ware's Press Conference...

[Big D]

I do not like his coaching hires for the most part. I think this franchise deserves the absolute best Head Coach in the NFL, or it deserves a young lion on the rise. I do not see that in Wade Phillips and never have. I openly admit that when Parcells quit Jerry ran the most thorough coaching interview process of his life. Wade was the best choice at that time. I cannot say that right now, today, Wade is the best choice for Head Coach. I can't do it.

..

Forgive me, but I like this team. I like how together they are. I like the character they display. I like how hard they are working. It isn't perfect by any wild stretch of the imagination. I don't like the penalties, injuries, or losses. I do however like that the team realizes where they need to improve and continue to work on these things. Will it translate to wins in December and January? I don't know. Unlike some around here I'm not clairvoyant.

Nice post Hos Like you I am very optimistic about this team but I think you're wrong about Wade. It seems you have the same outlook on Wade as many do here. You just don't like him.

Hos- these players that you mention are almost 100% Wade Phillips' guys. Brooking and Igor do not come here if not for Wade. Neither does Sensabaugh because he is a Joe D guy and Joe D is here because of Wade.

..

I see the why there is a perception that Wade is soft, Wade has never won, Wade can't motivate. We've experienced as Cowboys fans disappointment too long and too often, for sure. Wade's quiet demeanor, cabbage patch kid arms, chubby face and stretch waist pants don't exactly scream toughness I agree.

Just about every guy that Wade has a hand on has shown SOMETHING. I can't say that for just about any other coach in the league.

I just wish our fanbase could see inside the fishbowl as well as the people in the fishbowl see out of it. They would know the kind of job a man like Wade has done here and not be so quick to pull the plug on what may end up being the best decision possible.

Or not. But let's try and not despise a man that is a) committed b) classy and c) coaching vs. intimidating a team, front office, and fanbase into thinking he was better than he was.

If you look closely, Mike Karney is scoring again, Furrey is punishing the wall, and Pete Hunter is making plays. It's the players that learned to lose under Parcells that are turning the corner under Wade.

Exactly. WP deserves alot of the credit for what happening with the team but the intense dislike for how he looks/acts prevents fans from giving it to him.

You make a good point about those players coming here. I want to add that I feel better about them than I did some of the "Friends of Bill" players we got in his tenure. ... Wade has operated differently. These players are "Friends of Wade" but there is not the same FOW feelings as there were FOB feelings. If that makes sense. While I am no fan of Wade, he has not gone overboard getting his guys, and the ones he has gotten do fit this team.

I get what you are saying about Wade, but I am still not firmly in his corner. I see what the negative folks see with regards to him. No, he is not on the field when these plays happen, but he is in charge of teaching them how not to happen. Giving guys days off, practicing with no tackling, and other things like this have given this team an aura that it is soft. It is not a pleasant aura. I want a team full of nasty players. Not team seen as soft. Wade exudes a soft image. He may be a great football coach and his team love shim, but I do see him as soft. A lot plays into that.

Again, I see this as you liking what WP brings to the table you just don't like him. Last week this team started showing some real improvement over the previous weeks and the play of our defense from Dware to Tnew was anything but soft.

 

[Hostile]

great post Hos:top notch


For the record: I don't have a problem with ANYTHING JJ does with the organization. I just would like to see him hire a real GM and take a step back. It won't happen, which is too bad because the sky would be the limit.

I wouldn't mind if he hired a GM, but who? What if he hires a dud? I already don't like his coaching hires. Who's to say I would like the GM hire? Other than Bill Polian there really isn't anyone I can say I have to have and I doubt he leaves Indy. I suppose I'd like Ozzie Newsome. Maybe Pioli, but he's already done some stuff in KC that I would hate.

 

[SDogo]

I was not about to throw you or anyone else under the bus. I give you credit for posting an admission. Way to man up. Most people when called upon something and recognizing it is them will remain silent and never fess up.

Come on Hos, I have thick skin, I dont say anything I dont feel strong about.

Besides, I know you always have good intentions even if your name is Hostile.:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Nice post Hos Like you I am very optimistic about this team but I think you're wrong about Wade. It seems you have the same outlook on Wade as many do here. You just don't like him.

Exactly. WP deserves alot of the credit for what happening with the team but the intense dislike for how he looks/acts prevents fans from giving it to him.

Again, I see this as you liking what WP brings to the table you just don't like him. Last week this team started showing some real improvement over the previous weeks and the play of our defense from Dware to Tnew was anything but soft.

That is exactly the case. I just don't happen to like the guy. I admit he was the right hire, because he was the best candidate at that time. I also admit I would have rather gone with Jason Garrett. In the interim some amazing Head Coaches are out of work and here we sit with Wade who is not in the same league as some of them.

I will openly tell you I think Bill Belichick is the best Head Coach in the NFL right now. If he were available I would say this fanbase and franchise deserve a guy like that. Minus him, I just prefer one of 2 options, either the young lion, or the established lion. Wade has always been kind of a toothless lion. He has the mane and the roar, but no bite.

Tom Landry was the young lion when Tex went and got him. Jimmy was a young lion. Hiring Jimmy now would be finding an established lion, as Parcells was.

That is what I want. I can't help it that I am spoiled, nor will I apologize for it. Wade is a good guy and his players like him, but I am not convinced he has the force of character to will a team to victory the way Jimmy could. I think this team needs that. I know I do.

I honestly believe if we win it will be in spite of Wade Phillips and not because of him. Sort of like Barry Switzer. I don't want that. never have.

 

[Hostile]

Come on Hos, I have thick skin, I dont say anything I dont feel strong about.

Besides, I know you always have good intentions even if your name is Hostile.:laugh2:

Thick skin or not, I wouldn't have ever done it. You got character, that is why.

 

[SDogo]

Thick skin or not, I wouldn't have ever done it. You got character, that is why.

I hate being the negative Nancy. I dont think anyone realizes just how much I do love this team even though I dont always find the best way to show it.

Sometimes you find yourself disappointed in the ones you love and you say things you regret and sometimes you say things you dont want to say but need to be said. It does not mean you dont love them any less then you did before.

I have shed tears with this team. I cried after losses, after wins, after records were broken and when hero's were lost.

I dont cry about anything I dont care about.

I feel bad being so negative lately but I wear my emotions on my sleeve and when you break my heart time after time I tend to lash out and it's not easy to win my trust back.

 

[mmohican29]

Wade is a good guy and his players like him, but I am not convinced he has the force of character to will a team to victory the way Jimmy could. I think this team needs that. I know I do.


This is the most overrated phraseology (sp?) in all of professional sports. It is the players that BECOME champions and it is the coach that INSPIRES and PREPARES them to be champions.

I can understand your doubt of Wade's ability to "Inspire" and "Prepare". But the "force of character to will a team to victory" through the Head Coach is if not nonsensical, at the very least- dated.

If this were the case Capt. Quit in Miami would have done more in Dallas correct? If you can tell me how in the world Bill Parcells was hamstrung in his efforts with the Cowboys I would love to hear it.

And everyone that wants Cowher has to know that he had an EXTENDED period of nonsuccess where people wanted his head also, as did Belicheat who was canned in Cleveland, and JJ in Miami, and Dungy in Tampa, etc. etc.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are so many variables that HAVE TO fall into place before a team can win big, especially in the era of modern pro football with the salary cap and vast player movment year to year.

The key is to "raise" the team's play to a point where it is easiest to reach for the brass ring of a Super Bowl trophy. It doesn't always mean you will get it, and noone is entitled to it. If a team is truly inspired and prepared, a Head Coach's will to reach for that goal should never be greater than the players.

If it is then you have the wrong players more often than you have the wrong coach. Sometimes you have the wrong both. As it stands right now I'm willing to see what this team brings to the table week to week to decide if we have them (players AND coaches) or not.

Bill Parcells- 2 Time World Champion. See also: "quitter".

It's the players that must decide to become champions. Not the coach.

 

[Hostile]

Wade is a good guy and his players like him, but I am not convinced he has the force of character to will a team to victory the way Jimmy could. I think this team needs that. I know I do.


This is the most overrated phraseology (sp?) in all of professional sports. It is the players that BECOME champions and it is the coach that INSPIRES and PREPARES them to be champions.

I can understand your doubt of Wade's ability to "Inspire" and "Prepare". But the "force of character to will a team to victory" through the Head Coach is if not nonsensical, at the very least- dated.

My college Head Coach literally willed us to some wins. It may be outdated to some, to me it is always relevant.

If this were the case Capt. Quit in Miami would have done more in Dallas correct? If you can tell me how in the world Bill Parcells was hamstrung in his efforts with the Cowboys I would love to hear it.

I don't believe he was. I think he was too married to his guys. In particular Testaverde and Bledsoe and he wanted to win with his guys.

And everyone that wants Cowher has to know that he had an EXTENDED period of nonsuccess where people wanted his head also, as did Belicheat who was canned in Cleveland, and JJ in Miami, and Dungy in Tampa, etc. etc.

Literally means nothing to me. Are those people right? Not in my book.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. There are so many variables that HAVE TO fall into place before a team can win big, especially in the era of modern pro football with the salary cap and vast player movment year to year.

The key is to "raise" the team's play to a point where it is easiest to reach for the brass ring of a Super Bowl trophy. It doesn't always mean you will get it, and noone is entitled to it. If a team is truly inspired and prepared, a Head Coach's will to reach for that goal should never be greater than the players.

I agree with this in principle.

If it is then you have the wrong players more often than you have the wrong coach. Sometimes you have the wrong both. As it stands right now I'm willing to see what this team brings to the table week to week to decide if we have them (players AND coaches) or not.

Bill Parcells- 2 Time World Champion. See also: "quitter".

It's the players that must decide to become champions. Not the coach.

It is everyone including the coach.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

:write: Good points, Hostile.

But for ever great move there is a lousy move, i.e. RW, Wade, etc.

Still, I must say that Jerra is my pick for the most proactive and enthusiastic owner in the NFL bar none.
No GM will be perfect and certainly Jerra is not.
Yet there is something endearing about the old fella. He's optimistic and forever young in that way of being prescient and forging new business ventures.

Hos, you will excuse me, but tears be welling up in mah eyes and I don't want any of you to see me this way. I will go away for a while and come back when I am composed with a bowl ... of cereal. But damn it, I get all teary eyed when ah think of Jerra and all he has done for us.
3 Super Bowls, a return to greatness, um, now adequacy from the Landry-Schram years . . . . If, god forbid, that plastic surgeon in the sky should call for Jerra right now, he'd still leave a legacy of greatness that the Danny Snyders and Marshall Thompsons of this world can only dream of. . . . I must go now . . . .:cry:

 

[Hostile]

:write: Good points, Hostile.

But for ever great move there is a lousy move, i.e. RW, Wade, etc.

Still, I must say that Jerra is my pick for the most proactive and enthusiastic owner in the NFL bar none.
No GM will be perfect and certainly Jerra is not.
Yet there is something endearing about the old fella. He's optimistic and forever young in that way of being prescient and forging new business ventures.

Hos, you will excuse me, but tears be welling up in mah eyes and I don't want any of you to see me this way. I will go away for a while and come back when I am composed with a bowl ... of cereal. But damn it, I get all teary eyed when ah think of Jerra and all he has done for us.
3 Super Bowls, a return to greatness, um, now adequacy from the Landry-Schram years . . . . If, god forbid, that plastic surgeon in the sky should call for Jerra right now, he'd still leave a legacy of greatness that the Danny Snyders and Marshall Thompsons of this world can only dream of. . . . I must go now . . . .:cry:

Toodles Gimme. As always thanks for blessing me with your thoughts. Farmers Branch forever. Fighting Idiots reign.

 

[Angus]

Hos- these players that you mention are almost 100% Wade Phillips' guys. Brooking and Igor do not come here if not for Wade. Neither does Sensabaugh because he is a Joe D guy and Joe D is here because of Wade. Wade is here because of Jerry, and so is Jason. There has to be a program in place of some kind.

If not, you become the Raiders or Commanders. Instead of the down year or disappointing year, you have no future either and you start over way too often to ever really build something solid.

Jerry's no fool, I agree with you. I like the way the team does things in some regards and I see the problem with Jerry as a polarizing face of our team to the nation.

I see the why there is a perception that Wade is soft, Wade has never won, Wade can't motivate. We've experienced as Cowboys fans disappointment too long and too often, for sure. Wade's quiet demeanor, cabbage patch kid arms, chubby face and stretch waist pants don't exactly scream toughness I agree. The playoff flameout of 2007 was epic in its failure.

But look closer. Did Wade coach a bad game? Was it Wade that was wide open with 70 yards of green pasture to gallop through if he had caught the ball or was it Wade that drew wierd penalties in the 4th Qtr? No.

And it was Wade that was saddled with the likes of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in the secondary. It was Wade that had a young quick DE playing NT for the first time knowing that there would be some hiccups. It was Wade that had a flimsy Burnett and a the enigma that is Barbie at LB and tried to work with it.

A case can be made that Parcells left so much horse**** in the Cowboys lockerroom it should have been a stable.

Last year was a second transition if you look closer. Wade had nothing to do with the ticking Diva napalm bomb in the locker room. He just coached the team. The team had to go through what it did to get to where it is now, and the stench is starting to wear off a bit as new pups and some of the talent that the Tuna DID bring in is bearing fruit.

Just about every guy that Wade has a hand on has shown SOMETHING. I can't say that for just about any other coach in the league.

I just wish our fanbase could see inside the fishbowl as well as the people in the fishbowl see out of it. They would know the kind of job a man like Wade has done here and not be so quick to pull the plug on what may end up being the best decision possible.

Or not. But let's try and not despise a man that is a) committed b) classy and c) coaching vs. intimidating a team, front office, and fanbase into thinking he was better than he was.

If you look closely, Mike Karney is scoring again, Furrey is punishing the wall, and Pete Hunter is making plays. It's the players that learned to lose under Parcells that are turning the corner under Wade.

Thanks for a post offering to balance the unbalanced picture presented by too many posts.

 

[J-DOG]

It's been awhile since I found a thread that I felt like responding to since everytime I go into the Fan Zone, all I see is negatisim and over-reacting to every piece of news about the team.
Hos's original post on this thread is more about how I feel then anything I have read here in a long time.
Don't get me wrong..I like this website and all that it offers...but you gotta sift thru a bunch of BS threads to find anything that I find optimistic or worth while.
But that's OK...everyone should be allowed to express thier own opinion.
During the press conference Ware admitted that he realized that Jerry and Stephen have to field a competive team and that if he broke the bank then the chances of the organization keeping a talented team would go down.
The one thing that stood out about Ware's press conference was when a reporter asked him if it was hard not going for more money during his negotiations?
Ware responded saying"No not at all, when you consider the guys I play with."
Now that is a player with perspective and a guy who appreciates what the other players do on the defense.
I'm proud that we have a person like Demarcus Ware on this team.

 

[kboyer]

"Forgive me, but I like this team."

Very well said, Hostile! I, too, am hoping it translates into wins in December and January.

 

[BAT]

Hos- these players that you mention are almost 100% Wade Phillips' guys. Brooking and Igor do not come here if not for Wade. Neither does Sensabaugh because he is a Joe D guy and Joe D is here because of Wade. Wade is here because of Jerry, and so is Jason. There has to be a program in place of some kind.

If not, you become the Raiders or Commanders. Instead of the down year or disappointing year, you have no future either and you start over way too often to ever really build something solid.

Jerry's no fool, I agree with you. I like the way the team does things in some regards and I see the problem with Jerry as a polarizing face of our team to the nation.

I see the why there is a perception that Wade is soft, Wade has never won, Wade can't motivate. We've experienced as Cowboys fans disappointment too long and too often, for sure. Wade's quiet demeanor, cabbage patch kid arms, chubby face and stretch waist pants don't exactly scream toughness I agree. The playoff flameout of 2007 was epic in its failure.

But look closer. Did Wade coach a bad game? Was it Wade that was wide open with 70 yards of green pasture to gallop through if he had caught the ball or was it Wade that drew wierd penalties in the 4th Qtr? No.

And it was Wade that was saddled with the likes of Jacques Reeves and Nate Jones in the secondary. It was Wade that had a young quick DE playing NT for the first time knowing that there would be some hiccups. It was Wade that had a flimsy Burnett and a the enigma that is Barbie at LB and tried to work with it.

A case can be made that Parcells left so much horse**** in the Cowboys lockerroom it should have been a stable.

Last year was a second transition if you look closer. Wade had nothing to do with the ticking Diva napalm bomb in the locker room. He just coached the team. The team had to go through what it did to get to where it is now, and the stench is starting to wear off a bit as new pups and some of the talent that the Tuna DID bring in is bearing fruit.

Just about every guy that Wade has a hand on has shown SOMETHING. I can't say that for just about any other coach in the league.

I just wish our fanbase could see inside the fishbowl as well as the people in the fishbowl see out of it. They would know the kind of job a man like Wade has done here and not be so quick to pull the plug on what may end up being the best decision possible.

Or not. But let's try and not despise a man that is a) committed b) classy and c) coaching vs. intimidating a team, front office, and fanbase into thinking he was better than he was.

If you look closely, Mike Karney is scoring again, Furrey is punishing the wall, and Pete Hunter is making plays. It's the players that learned to lose under Parcells that are turning the corner under Wade.

And kudos to you and Hos (and a few others) for bucking the trend, and actually staying optimistic about this season, and the future, of the Cowboys. Big D is back and woe to all who overlook this team.

 

[sonnyboy]

That is exactly the case. I just don't happen to like the guy. I admit he was the right hire, because he was the best candidate at that time. I also admit I would have rather gone with Jason Garrett. In the interim some amazing Head Coaches are out of work and here we sit with Wade who is not in the same league as some of them.

I will openly tell you I think Bill Belichick is the best Head Coach in the NFL right now. If he were available I would say this fanbase and franchise deserve a guy like that. Minus him, I just prefer one of 2 options, either the young lion, or the established lion. Wade has always been kind of a toothless lion. He has the mane and the roar, but no bite.

Tom Landry was the young lion when Tex went and got him. Jimmy was a young lion. Hiring Jimmy now would be finding an established lion, as Parcells was.

That is what I want. I can't help it that I am spoiled, nor will I apologize for it. Wade is a good guy and his players like him, but I am not convinced he has the force of character to will a team to victory the way Jimmy could. I think this team needs that. I know I do.

I honestly believe if we win it will be in spite of Wade Phillips and not because of him. Sort of like Barry Switzer. I don't want that. never have.

Great OP Hos.

Let me give you and others who just can't see Wade getting it done some hope.

Think Charlie Manuel.

I live in the Philly area and am a life long Phillies fan.'

I see a lot of similarities between Wade and Uncle Charlie.

Charlie took a lot of hits in this town. Most of it due to his demeanor and lack of public speaking skills.

I was willing to over look this and the occasional managerial mistake. Coming from the AL, he had his fair share of those.

I saw two huge positives in him.

First and foremost, the guy is a hell of a hitting coach. Really brought a lot to the table and had of team hitting better than any time I could remember.

The players loved him and really played hard for him.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

I think personnel wise Jerry has done a good job overall. He also takes care of players, so they are smart enough to not bite the hand that feeds him.

But, he does have a tendency to make a lot of big mistakes. He seems to really love controversy and instead of nipping things in the bud and being done with it, he either keeps it alive or worse, enhances it. It's a well known secret among the local media that Jerry is always more interested in his critics than his apologists and that only helps create more controversy and BS reporting IMO.

I don't think that makes him a bad owner, but it's a flaw of his that may or may not prevent the team from reaching its full potential.

The other part that gets me is that there is a sense of entitlement on this team (yes, I agree with Mr. Blue Suit on this, just not that Roy Williams feels that way and that Mr. Blue Suit knows what the hell he's talking when it comes to football and the WR positions). It was really bad last year. I remember the general feeling was all the Cowboys had to do was show up and they could beat teams. Not so bad this year, but Crayton starting over Miles to begin the year really puzzles me now and while Carp looked good against Atlanta, he should've been benched earlier on and wasn't.

I also get the feeling that this team will probably never tackle in practice for quite some time. It's apparent that Jerry's major concern is keeping players healthy. I don't have a problem with not tackling in practice, but if you keep having poor practices and poor games, then the players should be punished and forced to practice tackling as a recourse. Again, little consequence for poor play for some players (we really should've gotten rid of Ellis after the '07 season when he kept complaining).

He's not the greatest owner in the NFL, but comparing him to Snyder or Davis is absurd. Then there's the other owners that people claim Jones is worse than like Mike Brown, Bill Bidwell, Tom Benson, etc. He can do better, but he can do a lot worse. We just need to sort of accept that to some degree.






YAKUZA

 

[Hostile]

It's been awhile since I found a thread that I felt like responding to since everytime I go into the Fan Zone, all I see is negatisim and over-reacting to every piece of news about the team.
Hos's original post on this thread is more about how I feel then anything I have read here in a long time.
Don't get me wrong..I like this website and all that it offers...but you gotta sift thru a bunch of BS threads to find anything that I find optimistic or worth while.
But that's OK...everyone should be allowed to express thier own opinion.
During the press conference Ware admitted that he realized that Jerry and Stephen have to field a competive team and that if he broke the bank then the chances of the organization keeping a talented team would go down.
The one thing that stood out about Ware's press conference was when a reporter asked him if it was hard not going for more money during his negotiations?
Ware responded saying"No not at all, when you consider the guys I play with."
Now that is a player with perspective and a guy who appreciates what the other players do on the defense.
I'm proud that we have a person like Demarcus Ware on this team.

Ware is a breath of fresh air. A great player who is an even better person. By far my favorite player. I cannot take my eyes off him during the games. He is so amazing to watch. It is literally a joy.

 

[jswalker1981]

Unlike some around here I'm not clairvoyant.

That sucks for you.




Totally agree with the original post. Jerry gets a lot of heat from fans and the media, but if I was a player, I'd want to play for Jerry. He wants to win, which is more than some other owners can say. He also helps his players out after their careers. Look how many former Cowboys are in broadcasting. He has a hand in that. Sometimes mistakes are made, and that happens for every franchise. Some are just bigger than others, but it is what Jerry does afterwards that really matters. He tries to learn from his mistakes, and improve the team.