Who do you draft at 27 from this group?

[Biggems]

I really never watched Bennett play. I didn't watch tOSU this year for big stretches, and when I did, the offense was always on the field.

DTs that I do like......Malcom Brown is my top player in this draft. I want him in the worst way. After Malcom they fall like this......Carl Davis, Xavier Cooper, Xavier Williams, Charles Tuaau

 

[darthseinfeld]

Beasley is the best value there, and the only way it's close is if Gurley knee is fine.

The other 3 are nice prospects, but Beasley and Gurley are cornerstone players

 

[tm1119]

Where exactly does Beasley play on our defense? If we played a Broncos/Seahawks style of 4-3 with a "Leo" I could see him being a great fit. But I don't see Rod making changes to his scheme for 1 rookie. So he's a tweener between SLB and DE and that makes me nervous for our 1st round pick. I want a guy with a definite position....gambling on tweeners is for the 4th round and beyond.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Where exactly does Beasley play on our defense? If we played a Broncos/Seahawks style of 4-3 with a "Leo" I could see him being a great fit. But I don't see Rod making changes to his scheme for 1 rookie. So he's a tweener between SLB and DE and that makes me nervous for our 1st round pick. I want a guy with a definite position....gambling on tweeners is for the 4th round and beyond.

I dont think Denver and Seattle using a Leo is a scheme thing as much as it is using talent properly. I don't think Marinelli is opposed tp a Leo. We were very big on Barr last year, and while he had to growth potential to be a DE, likelihood is that he would have spent a couple years as a Leo

 

[The Realist]

No, production is not a big factor in draft evaluations. There are too many variables like level of competition, scheme, etc..

The primary eval tool for scouts and GMs is the game tape. They can see burst that that type of thing regardless of the scheme or level of competition.

To be clear completion percentage, TD/INT ratio for a QB, sacks/TFLs for DL, Yards/YPC for a RB, and catches/TD's are not big factors in evaluating players in the draft?

 

[xwalker]

To be clear completion percentage, TD/INT ratio for a QB, sacks/TFLs for DL, Yards/YPC for a RB, and catches/TD's are not big factors in evaluating players in the draft?

If the stats are on the extreme end of good or bad scouts will take notice, but in general college stat are far below game film in the evaluation process. Even for some extreme stats like sacks the scouts will review exactly which OLinemen the player was facing when they got those sacks.

Adrian Hamilton had 22 sacks in his final year of college football. He didn't get drafted.

 

[The Realist]

If the stats are on the extreme end of good or bad scouts will take notice, but in general college stat are far below game film in the evaluation process. Even for some extreme stats like sacks the scouts will review exactly which OLinemen the player was facing when they got those sacks.

Adrian Hamilton had 22 sacks in his final year of college football. He didn't get drafted.

Right, because his production came against weak competition.

 

[xwalker]

Right, because his production came against weak competition.

That's the point that I've been making.

 

[JohnsKey19]

These 5 players are there, who do you draft?

1. Denzel Perryman LB Miami
2. Michael Bennett DT Ohio State
3. Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE UCLA
4. Vic Beasley DE/LB Clemson
5. Todd Gurley RB Georgia

As others have stated, difficult question to answer without knowing what happens in free agency.

If Murray is not re-signed, they probably used that $$$ to address the DL in free agency. So I would have a hard time passing on a stud like Gurley under that scenario.

If Murray is re-signed, then they probably didn't do too much to address the defense in free agency. So I would take the best front 7 player available and hope it happens to be a DL.

 

[The Realist]

That's the point that I've been making.

So all things being equal you would prefer a low production player from a big conference vs a high production player from the same conference?

 

[xwalker]

So all things being equal you would prefer a low production player from a big conference vs a high production player from the same conference?

1. I didn't say that stats were not part of the scouting process, just that they are far below game tape review in importance.

2. Did the player play the exact same position? A guy like Anthony Chickillo played in a 2-gap 3-4 scheme and didn't put up big stats but he looked terrific at the Shrine game playing in a 4-3. Do you compare his college stats to other 4-3 DEs if you're drafting for a 4-3 team? If you compare 2 DBs and one played on a defense with a terrific pass rush and the other played on team with a terrible pass rush do you compare their stats?

 

[The Realist]

What do "all things being equal" mean?

 

[xwalker]

What do "all things being equal" mean?

That both players play the same positions, in the same scheme for the same coaches against the same competition.

In 2013 Kony Ealy and Michael Sam both played DE for the same team. That's about as close to equal as possible.

Michael Sam had 11.5 sacks and was drafted in the 7th round.

Kony Ealy had 8 sacks and was drafted in the 2nd round.

 

[Derinyar]

If Gurley is going to be available sometime in TC then he's the best talent, and its probably not particularly close. If he's there I think I'm hard pressed to not pick him, unless our training staff thinks he misses a significant time in 2015. This is assuming we don't put a chunk of money into RB in FA. I suspect ever single pass rusher that we have a legit shot at with 27 is going to have some warts, and possibly some major warts. Edge rushers without warts don't make it to 27.

 

[xwalker]

If Gurley is going to be available sometime in TC then he's the best talent, and its probably not particularly close. If he's there I think I'm hard pressed to not pick him, unless our training staff thinks he misses a significant time in 2015. This is assuming we don't put a chunk of money into RB in FA. I suspect ever single pass rusher that we have a legit shot at with 27 is going to have some warts, and possibly some major warts. Edge rushers without warts don't make it to 27.

It would be a difficult decision for the Cowboys if he was available at #27. I'm don't love the process of pushing a player to play less than a year after a blown ACL. It would be a great pick for a bad team that could just stash him for a year. If he does make it to #27 it probably means that teams don't think he will be ready for the season.

 

[Derinyar]

It would be a difficult decision for the Cowboys if he was available at #27. I'm don't love the process of pushing a player to play less than a year after a blown ACL. It would be a great pick for a bad team that could just stash him for a year. If he does make it to #27 it probably means that teams don't think he will be ready for the season.

I understand, but it's very tempting to try and get someone with that level of talent there. It's also why I'm somewhat interested in Rollins there. While he's not a finished product, and would probably be an over draft, if he keeps on developing you could have someone playing higher then a late 1st draft slot.

 

[xwalker]

I understand, but it's very tempting to try and get someone with that level of talent there. It's also why I'm somewhat interested in Rollins there. While he's not a finished product, and would probably be an over draft, if he keeps on developing you could have someone playing higher then a late 1st draft slot.

I definitely prefer drafting talent over need. I do prefer to draft the premium positions in the 1st, but at #27 you have that trade off between something like the top RB or the 6th DE.

Rollins in the 1st "feels" a bit early. I'm not sure about his speed. I don't over-focus on measurable(s) but the one I really like to see is speed for CBs. A few have been successful without elite speed but elite speed really helps their chances of being really good.

The CB Steven Nelson is projected to the 3rd round. I would prefer bigger CBs, but I think that guy will be ready day one and has Scandrick type ability.

The CB Josh Shaw was rusty at the Senior Bowl after not playing all last year but I think he has good upside for a 3rd/4th round type.

 

[The Realist]

That both players play the same positions, in the same scheme for the same coaches against the same competition.

In 2013 Kony Ealy and Michael Sam both played DE for the same team. That's about as close to equal as possible.

Michael Sam had 11.5 sacks and was drafted in the 7th round.

Kony Ealy had 8 sacks and was drafted in the 2nd round.

Wow, they were the exact same size and have exact same athleticism as well.

You got me there.

 

[RS12]

These 5 players are there, who do you draft?

1. Denzel Perryman LB Miami
2. Michael Bennett DT Ohio State
3. Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE UCLA
4. Vic Beasley DE/LB Clemson
5. Todd Gurley RB Georgia

UCLA redshirt senior edge rusher Owamagbe Odighizuwa made his debut on Mel Kiper's DE rankings at No. 6.
It's a little surprising that he wasn't ranked before, but Kiper warmed quickly to the Bruins' prospect, ranking him behind only a group consisting of sure first-rounders (Leonard Williams, USC, Randy Gregory, Nebraska, Shane Ray, Missouri, Dante Fowler, Florida, and Arik Armstead, Oregon). TFY Draft Insider's Tony Paulinebelieves Odighizuwa "should be in [the] 1st round conversation." The 6-foot-3, 270-pounder is scheme versatile, and would fit comfortably in either a 4-3 or a 3-4. Rotoworld's Josh Norris wrote that Odighizuwa "has an awesome first snap but limited bend." Jan 31 - 5:27 PM
Source: ESPN Insider

 

[AsthmaField]

These 5 players are there, who do you draft?

1. Denzel Perryman LB Miami
2. Michael Bennett DT Ohio State
3. Owamagbe Odighizuwa DE UCLA
4. Vic Beasley DE/LB Clemson
5. Todd Gurley RB Georgia

Probably Beasley first although I'm not sure yet.
Michael Bennett second.
Gurley third. He'd be first without the knee.
Perryman fourth. Just a great player who helps a defense in a lot of ways. Normally don't like 43 LB's in the first but this guy is good.
OO would be fifth. I like him but I'm not sure yet how much of an impact he can have. Honestly haven't watched him enough. To be fair, he might rise up this list quite a bit after the combine when it is closer to the draft.