Who do you hate more, Peyton or Eli

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Good topic. Eli, easily. Because he's inaccurate and massively overrated and because of the way his whole family embarrassed itself in the draft.

Peyton is pretty funny sometimes. I still don't like him. Except in the Bang cartoons, where he's Brady's dog and keeps licking himself. For the record, anyone who thinks he's the best QB in the league is delusional.
 

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eli, cuz we play him twice a year! i dont really care of Payton ..lol
 

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Eddie said:
No .... but don't rag on other players because they're not Cowboys. Enjoy the game and appreciate great players.

Why the HATE and derogatory comments about Peyton and Eli? Peyton's the best QB in the NFL and Eli is developing into a good one.

Sounds like jealousy to me.

Not so much jealousy with me. I used to like Peyton (I even kind of liked him last year). I hated Eli ever since that little draft stunt. It's just annoying that they're in every commercial in the world, as if they rule the NFL. A casual fan would be surprised that two people without a ring would be in that many commercials.
 

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Eli because he plays for the Giants and the whole draft thing.

:hammer: on Eli

I like Payton. He's good.
I always like the Colts. Lived in Indy for a while, liked it there. Just because he's on all these commercials and he's good is no reason to dislike him.

If DirecTV made the push on commercials in the Triplets time, one of them would have been all over those commercials. and we would have loved it.
 

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I don't hate either one of them. I do think that both are overhyped, personally I think Peyton is the most overhyped quarterback (possibly ever). I say this because I've heard many people call him not only the best playing right now, but the best to ever play. That's just rediculous.
 

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It is funny that so many are all over Peyton for choking. Maybe it is all his fault, but maybe it is not all his fault.

Peyton Manning has played with a good defense two of his eight years.

He has also been the beneficiary of two average coaches in Dungy and Mora. What happened the very year that Dungy left the Bucs...they win a Super Bowl.

I would not go as far as to say it is Mora's, Dungy's, the defense, or anyone but Peyton's fault. He has played a role for sure. It is worth noting that three of his "choke" jobs came at the hand of the eventual Super Bowl winner.

Biggest problem Dallas has had for a decade is that Dallas has not had the priviledge to have a "choker" like Peyton Manning on the team.

Interestingly, us Dallas fans have been raging about our kicker costing us three games last year. I wonder if our current kicker cost Peyton Manning a Super Bowl?

I am sorry. Hate on him if you want to, but I would give up Drew and the crew for him in a heart beat.
 

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gbrittain said:
I am sorry. Hate on him if you want to, but I would give up Drew and the crew for him in a heart beat.

I will agree to this to a certain extent. If he came with his current contract, no way. We would have to cut another 8 players for salary cap reasons. Is he better than Drew, sure. Is he better for our TEAM, when all factors are considered, NO !!
 

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gbrittain said:
It is funny that so many are all over Peyton for choking. Maybe it is all his fault, but maybe it is not all his fault.

Peyton Manning has played with a good defense two of his eight years.

He has also been the beneficiary of two average coaches in Dungy and Mora. What happened the very year that Dungy left the Bucs...they win a Super Bowl.

I would not go as far as to say it is Mora's, Dungy's, the defense, or anyone but Peyton's fault. He has played a role for sure. It is worth noting that three of his "choke" jobs came at the hand of the eventual Super Bowl winner.

Biggest problem Dallas has had for a decade is that Dallas has not had the priviledge to have a "choker" like Peyton Manning on the team.

Interestingly, us Dallas fans have been raging about our kicker costing us three games last year. I wonder if our current kicker cost Peyton Manning a Super Bowl?

I am sorry. Hate on him if you want to, but I would give up Drew and the crew for him in a heart beat.

Drew and the crew? You'd give up the whole Dallas team for Peyton Manning?
 

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mwj473 said:
I will agree to this to a certain extent. If he came with his current contract, no way. We would have to cut another 8 players for salary cap reasons. Is he better than Drew, sure. Is he better for our TEAM, when all factors are considered, NO !!

I am not a capoligist nor did I take that into account. I am talking about on the field performance. You might be right when you take into account salary.
 

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I am not a capoligist nor did I take that into account. I am talking about on the field performance. You might be right when you take into account salary.

Understood.

As I said in my earlier post, my problem with him is his selfishness and NOT being a team guy. When you eat up about $16 million of a $102 million dollar salary cap, you are not giving the front office the oppurtinity to get better players for your team. He wants the $$, not the trophy.
 

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mwj473 said:
Understood.

As I said in my earlier post, my problem with him is his selfishness and NOT being a team guy. When you eat up about $16 million of a $102 million dollar salary cap, you are not giving the front office the oppurtinity to get better players for your team. He wants the $$, not the trophy.

You may be 100% right. I do not know the Colts cap situation nor do I know how his salary has impacted the team.

I appreciate the fact that you understood where I was coming and from and I definitely get your point. I guess I am too old or interested to talk cap stuff to much. I dont enjoy the $$$ numbers part of the game. I understand it is a reality and has to be taken into account on every decision made by an organization. Fortunately, I do not have to. Based on "on the the field play" I stand by what I believe about Peyton. He is a heck of a QB, despite his three alleged choke jobs by the eventual Super Bowl winner.
 

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ghst187 said:
undoubtedly Payton.....
I started really disliking him in college because I have always absolutely hated U of Tenn and their fat*** coach, stupid annoying fight song, and proclivity to choke in big games despite perrenial monster recruiting. I always LOVED it that Spurrier OWNED U of Tenn and esp Payton. That was pure ownership. I hated it how Payton was the posterboy for college athletics his entire career at U of Tenn and then I disliked him even more because I figured they would hand him the Heisman despite losing every major game he played in. I was so elated when Woodson shocked the world by taking the trophy. You know that Payton was shocked. If only he wasn't a choker. hahaha
Then, that same hype and adoration has followed Payton to the pros. I wouldn't despise him so much if he wasn't the biggest da** dork in the free world. What really set me off on a legacy of loathing though is when everyone started comparing Payton, Harrison, and Edge to Aikman, Irvin, and Emmitt. Started calling the Colts, "the new tripletts." That is like sandpaper on my skin. I cheer and have a toast, like the '72 Dolphins, every year once Payton is eliminated, again, from the playoffs and fails, once again, to win a championship of any sorts.
I never would've cared about Eli other than rooting for him to suck because he's in our division HOWEVER that little draft day stunt instantly made me despise him and hope that he flounders an entire career. I always hoped that Rivers would outshine him by a mile and make NYG look like fools for blowing their entire draft to get Eli and SD like a genius for drafting him and trading him.
But the answer to the question is overwhelmingly....Payton. "cut that meat, cut that meat!" What a freaking tard.

This shows what a sorry state of affairs this world is really in. A guy like Peyton Manning, who is the epitome of class, and you hate him.:rolleyes:

BTW, since championships are your measuring stick, "fat" Phil Fulmer has just as many national titles as the great Steve Spurrier.
 

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StarMan said:
This shows what a sorry state of affairs this world is really in. A guy like Peyton Manning, who is the epitome of class, and you hate him.:rolleyes:

BTW, since championships are your measuring stick, "fat" Phil Fulmer has just as many national titles as the great Steve Spurrier.

Be honest with you I do not get it either. I guess if Peyton would cuss a little more, smoke some weed, get pulled over for a DUI, or just generally be a trouble maker I truly and sadly believe that more people would like him more.

I do not mean to say that about anybody in particular who has posted negative things about Peyton in this thread, but I do truly believe that about quite a few people.
 

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This shows what a sorry state of affairs this world is really in. A guy like Peyton Manning, who is the epitome of class, and you hate him.:rolleyes:

BTW, since championships are your measuring stick, "fat" Phil Fulmer has just as many national titles as the great Steve Spurrier.

if i met the Mannings in the street, I wouldn't care. I don't "hate" them like that. I just don't want to see them ever win anything...and that's mostly been due to the media hype machine that precedes the Mannings everywhere they go. All the of media roots for any Manning to win anything and continually grant the Mannings a free pass for anything. The media celebrates them before they even do anything. Half the people call Payton the greatest QB in the league even though he has yet to win a big game...ever. And he's had plenty of chances. The media tells us every year that his defense isn't very good. Yet, it has one of the best passrushers in the league and the team has a defense-minded coach.
And as for class....who knows....I used to think that you were probably right...however, Payton selfishly took away any potential cap space Indy could ever think about having with his gigantic contract. He could've gotten paid well, even still been the highest paid QB in the league without hamstringing Indy from ever having room to bring any FAs in to help win a championship of any sort. See Tom Brady, you know...the QB with 3 SB rings, a SB MVP trophy, and a humble contract relatively speaking.
Then, Payton, playing at home, not playing the Patriots, chokes in the playoffs (yet again) and PUBLICLY, PUBLICLY blames the loss entirely on his offensive line. Hmmm. When you're the QB and esp when you're Payton Manning, who is also the offensive coordinator, and you have problems on offense, its YOUR fault. At least take some blame as a leader. What's more ironic, is that a lot of analysts and experts had the Colts Offensive line rated as the #1 OL in the league...the same OL responsible for Payton not getting it done in the playoffs. Hmmm....some class :rolleyes:
Overhyped, selfish, can't win a big game, blame his failures on someone else......that's someone to like. Let's also face the fact that if Payton's last name wasn't "Manning", not very many people would talk about him because he'd just be another good NFL QB who isn't as good as Tom Brady and has fewer conference championships and SB titles than third year QB Ben Rothlisberger.

What also burns me is that Troy, Emmitt, and Irvin has to win a ring and then three to earn the "triplets" title...yet it was quickly given to the Colts' players even though they couldn't even win their conference.

Then Eli steps into the league...if his name wasn't "Manning," he would've gone late in the first round at best. Then, the little ingrate doesn't want to play in San Diego and his dad starts throwing his weight around to help him. And the media gives them a free pass for it. Once again, the hype machine just because of a guy's last name.
And I also have a lingering belief that if Eli's name wasn't Manning and the NYG would not have had to give up the farm to get him, there might be speculation that he might be benched.

And who said I liked Spurrier? I only rooted for him because he beat that overrated, obnoxious school from Tennessee every year.
And for the record, it was a complete fluke that Fulmer won a championship. Take away that completely bogus PI call on 4th and 15 with about a minute left in the opener against Syracuse....UT doesn't go to the championship game and get to play against FSU's 3rd string QB. Toss in some academic cheating, recruiting nonsense, and suspicious behavior....and one of the worst QBs to ever win a NCAA championship....and that championship should have an asterisk beside it...

and also for the record, I can't stand TO either.
I've also grown to dislike Favre too...once again due to the free pass the media gives him and the mere fact that every time I watch an NFL game I have to hear about Brett Favre this and Brett Favre that....ugh...
 
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