Who here likes NFL parity???

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You believe what you want. Next your gonna tell me you saw Bigfoot at the last Dallas game sitting in the box beside Jerry.


NE a dynasty......... :laugh2:

like i said before your hyperbole and anecdotes mean nothing. i love how you dont actually address the points because i gave very good and valid reasons for my opinion. its usually a sign of someone who has no leg to stand on.

 

[PullMyFinger]

Hello Mr Brady. Meet Bruce Smith.

 

[DallasEast]

well thats kind of the point those are three temas that since 1999 those three teams have been very good and won superbowls. if the league was so watered down and teams were unable to stay on top this would not be possible.

Teams have been winning Super Bowls since their inception. These three teams you mentioned have been successful, but their success can be linked more to their ability to remain cohesive units and stay relatively healthy. Are any of these teams' talent, in your opinion, far and above that of many other teams in the league?

 

[PullMyFinger]

like i said before your hyperbole and anecdotes mean nothing. i love how you dont actually address the points because i gave very good and valid reasons for my opinion. its usually a sign of someone who has no leg to stand on.

I told you why, repeatedly. There are say 90 or so superstars in the NFL sprinkled among 32 teams. Instead of 90 or so superstars spread among 10 teams like it used to be. Hence a watered down NFL.

Thats parity for you, They need to call it unfairity. Answer me this, why should Dallas be punished by being in a big market and winning all those games in the early 90's?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

While I would agree with the 'size and speed' argument in comparing two sets of teams 20 or more season apart, I totally disagree with the dismissal of the comparison of the 90's Bills and the 21st century Patriots. There is virtually no discrepancies in size or speed between both teams.

bruce smith was 265 at strongside end and was considered large. Richard Seymour goes over 300. Cornelius Bennet was 240 and was considered large. Vrabel goes at 261.

Those Bills teams are 14 years gone.

 

[DallasEast]

i understand that but I dont mind the fact that we cannot overpay for backups and screw over the small market teams. to do otherwise is to have the mindset of a greedy monopolist.

So, you would agree, that the talent level of the best teams has diminished in relation to the best teams of the past because of the sacrifice made in keeping the small market teams at a lower, competitive level with that of their peers?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I told you why, repeatedly. There are say 90 or so superstars in the NFL sprinkled among 32 teams. Instead of 90 or so superstars spread among 10 teams like it used to be. Hence a watered down NFL.

Thats parity for you, They need to call it unfairity. Answer me this, why should Dallas be punished by being in a big market and winning all those games in the early 90's?

Those Bills teams had superstars in Kelly, Thomas, Smith. Now they had some very good players like Talley and Jones and Lofton and Fina and Bennett but I can list some names on those three teams just as easy.

The Colts form last year have Payton, Harrison and Freeney. Backed by Wayne, Addai, Sanders, McFarland.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So, you would agree, that the talent level of the best teams has diminished in relation to the best teams of the past because of the sacrifice made in keeping the small market teams at a lower, competitive level with that of their peers?

yes, the backups are not as good. the starters are just as good in relative qulaity to era. So you lessen the backups of the rich a little and you increase the starters of the poor a lot.

 

[DallasEast]

bruce smith was 265 at strongside end and was considered large. Richard Seymour goes over 300. Cornelius Bennet was 240 and was considered large. Vrabel goes at 261.

Those Bills teams are 14 years gone.

The 90's Bills teams was a finesse team. The players you mentioned didn't play the power game. If they attacked the New England offensive line, they would try to utilize their 3-4 defensive speed to overcome those guys upfront--just as they did in the 90's.

 

[PullMyFinger]

I told you why, repeatedly. There are say 90 or so superstars in the NFL sprinkled among 32 teams. Instead of 90 or so superstars spread among 10 teams like it used to be. Hence a watered down NFL.

Thats parity for you, They need to call it unfairity. Answer me this, why should Dallas be punished by being in a big market and winning all those games in the early 90's?

<Crickets> Still waiting for an answer, and for someone to stop beating around the bush.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

<Crickets> Still waiting for an answer, and for someone to stop beating around the bush.

you understand that jones was one of the biggest pushers for the cap dont you? Im not even going to answer a question that makes no sense. we wre not punished. you might as wellask why the sky is green.

 

[DallasEast]

yes, the backups are not as good. the starters are just as good in relative qulaity to era. So you lessen the backups of the rich a little and you increase the starters of the poor a lot.

I'll defer to your juggling of the salary cap.

I slightly disagree with your 'starters' comment. While I agree with the quality of the starters, I also believe that the core group of quality starters is smaller today than in the past by comparison.

 

[DallasEast]

you understand that jones was one of the biggest pushers for the cap dont you? Im not even going to answer a question that makes no sense. we wre not punished. you might as wellask why the sky is green.

I thought that, in addition to being a proponent of the cap, Jerry Jones has pushed to increase the upper limits imposed on the cap each year. Also, Jones has also pushed to retain more of the revenue generated by his team marketing and not share as much with other franchises. Isn't that a requirement of the current CBA as well?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The 90's Bills teams was a finesse team. The players you mentioned didn't play the power game. If they attacked the New England offensive line, they would try to utilize their 3-4 defensive speed to overcome those guys upfront--just as they did in the 90's.

If the pats line can block freeney im not worried about a grossly undersized bills front 7.

richard seymour would absolutely kill john fina he outweighs him by 15 pounds. they would probaly need to triple team Wilfork to move him.

Point is that those bills teams wouldnt annihilate anything.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I thought that, in addition to being a proponent of the cap, Jerry Jones has pushed to increase the upper limits imposed on the cap each year. Also, Jones has also pushed to retain more of the revenue generated by his team marketing and not share as much with other franchises. Isn't that a requirement of the current CBA as well?

it doesnt work like that. they determine what the overall revenues are and then they set the cap at 51% of that or something. now the marketing thing im not sure about.

 

[DallasEast]

If the pats line can block freeney im not worried about a grossly undersized bills front 7.

richard seymour would absolutely kill john fina he outweighs him by 15 pounds. they would probaly need to triple team Wilfork to move him.

Point is that those bills teams wouldnt annihilate anything.

Freeney's one player. We disagree on a Bills/Patriots matchup. We had a coach once who preached that speed kills. That would be Buffalo's advantage.

 

[PullMyFinger]

OMG we wern't? LOL tell me how we wern't, and Id have to see a link for that, Jerry knew it would destroy the boys. OK lets look at it this way Im gonna list some teams that were good before the cap.

Dallas
San Fran
Pittsburg <although they have seen recent success>
the Bills
the Raiders
Green Bay


After the cap all these teams but Pittsburg virtually dissappeared. Ill take into account that 4 teams have been added since then. Its like taking my money and giving half to my neighbor because hes poorer, unfortunate, and made worse career decisions than I have. Thats NFL parity/unfairity for ya, Im being punished for being successful, where I live, and making good choices/decisions.

 

[DallasEast]

it doesnt work like that. they determine what the overall revenues are and then they set the cap at 51% of that or something. now the marketing thing im not sure about.

I know that it doesn't work like that. I'm saying that Jones has campaigned to change that provision in the next CBA--for lack of phrasing it better.

 

[DallasEast]

I'm outta here for awhile. I'll check back later.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

OMG we wern't? LOL tell me how we wern't, and Id have to see a link for that, Jerry knew it would destroy the boys. OK lets look at it this way Im gonna list some teams that were good before the cap.

Dallas
San Fran
Pittsburg <although they have seen recent success>
the Bills
the Raiders
Green Bay


After the cap all these teams but Pittsburg virtually dissappeared. Ill take into account that 4 teams have been added since then. Its like taking my money and giving half to my neighbor because hes poorer, unfortunate, and made worse career decisions than I have. Thats NFL parity/unfairity for ya, Im being punished for being successful, where I live, and making good choices/decisions.

you understand how punishment works. your misusing a word for emotional appeal and im not going to play along. the owners wanted the cap and jerry jones was the biggest proponent. its not like the us government mandated it.

those teams failed because they made bad contract decisions not because they wre puniished. the 49ers cheated.