Who is more of a Hall of Fame lock?

[dogunwo]

Darrell Green or Deion Sanders? Maybe you don't consider one of them as a lock.

I don't know I am bored at work today.

I guess I think Darrell Green will definitely get in on the first try.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Both will be first ballot.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Both will be first ballot.

Yep both are locks IMO.

Personally I liked Green better. He lasted longer and IMO was a better overall player. Deion MAY have been more athletically gifted but at the same time I think Green was better overall *cough* tackler *cough* and as I mentioned his longevity.

One other thing...I always liked how Green was more of a guy that just went out and did his job and let his actions speak for themselves as opposed to all the silly dancing and antics of Deion.

 

[dogunwo]

Both will be first ballot.

Alot of people thought the same thing about Michael Irvin and Art Monk, so you can never be SO sure.......

 

[Yeagermeister]

Yep both are locks IMO.

Personally I liked Green better. He lasted longer and IMO was a better overall player. Deion MAY have been more athletically gifted but at the same time I think Green was better overall *cough* tackler *cough* and as I mentioned his longevity.

One other thing...I always liked how Green was more of a guy that just went out and did his job and let his actions speak for themselves as opposed to all the silly dancing and antics of Deion.

As Juke would say.....On the nosey

 

[Yeagermeister]

Alot of people thought the same thing about Michael Irvin and Art Monk, so you can never be SO sure.......

Green and Deion were the cream of the crop at their position. Irvin and Monk have players like Rice ahead of them.

 

[dargonking999]

Both are locks

I admire Green for his longevity, and his ability to keeps his ability prime. While Deon seemed to bounce from team to team. Green stayed put, and always shut his WR Down. He may have been a skin head, but he was still a damn good player.

 

[austintodallas]

Both are locks

I admire Green for his longevity, and his ability to keeps his ability prime. While Deon seemed to bounce from team to team. Green stayed put, and always shut his WR Down. He may have been a skin head, but he was still a damn good player.

Yet you couldn't even describe Green without using a moniker normally ascribed to Deion. That should tell you something right there. Freudian slip...I think not.

 

[dogunwo]

Yet you couldn't even describe Green without using a moniker normally ascribed to Deion. That should tell you something right there. Freudian slip...I think not.

What?? Your post doesnt make much sense, can you clarify?

 

[cobra]

Man-to-man shutdown the guy across from you, Deion is far superior to D. Green and arguably the best ever.

And as the Hall of Fame has emphasized recently that a major criteria is impact on the game and the "fame" of the player, Deion embodies that. He was an enormously popular, well known, and game-changing player.

By the Hall's criteria, Deion is one of the surest things and a much better prospect than Green for entry.

But that's by the Hall's criteria.

A different result forms when the question is changed to which was a better player or who would you prefer to have on your team at year 1 of their respective careers. Green was not as good as a pure cover corner or kick returner than Green. But Green was a better tackler and teammate. Green was more of a lunch-pail kind of player instead of a flash player. Green played the game with class and loyalty to his franchise. But, as Monk showed, those factors may actually be a hindrance to a Hall of Fame candidacy because its more under-the-radar and less fame-seeking. But while such behavior doesn't boost HoF chances, it does make a preferable teammate.

They are both sure things. They are both first ballot players, in my opinion. But if the question is who is more of a lock, the answer is Deion as he was a quintessential fame-monger who was great at what he did. But if the question is who would prefer to have on your team, it's a tough call.

 

[joseephuss]

Deion is more of a lock. I say that because of his persona. Some voters love that kind of stuff. Even the ones that don't, the persona still keeps Deion in the forefront of a voters thinking. Bad press is still press.

Both deserve and will go in on their respective 1st tries. Although I would not put it past the voters to screw things up.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Yep both are locks IMO.

Personally I liked Green better. He lasted longer and IMO was a better overall player. Deion MAY have been more athletically gifted but at the same time I think Green was better overall *cough* tackler *cough* and as I mentioned his longevity.

One other thing...I always liked how Green was more of a guy that just went out and did his job and let his actions speak for themselves as opposed to all the silly dancing and antics of Deion.

Green was a great player and I definitely think both he and Deion should go in, on the first ballot. I think it would be a matter of who's actually going to be up for enshrinement at the same time.

I think that had Deion not played baseball and not "retired" I think he would have had the same kind of longevity without as many lingering bumps and bruises.

I watched some highlight of him on NFLN the other day listing him #3 on their Top 10 most versatile players list. And sometimes you overlook how good he really was due to his mouth now and how faded he looked at the end with B-more.

 

[dargonking999]

Yet you couldn't even describe Green without using a moniker normally ascribed to Deion. That should tell you something right there. Freudian slip...I think not.

I don't get it? I was't trying to say deon wasn't as good as green. I just said why i admired Green. I don't understand what you are trying to prove here?

 

[GlitzCowboy]

Green and Deion were the cream of the crop at their position. Irvin and Monk have players like Rice ahead of them.

Go on. You were saying, players like Rice.. And those other players would be? Rice, yea, but you are implying more with that statement. I agree with you on Rice, but as far as the other players go, I think you'd have to dip into current players such as TO and Moss, and that might be all whom when it's all said 'n done rank higher than Irvin.

Irvin was NOT withheld from the first ballot becaues his playing ability lacked.

In fact, I think Irvin in a more WR friendly home like Rice was in, easily matches him talent wise and production wise. Rice was NOT competing with someone like Emmitt Smith for time with the ball. I thought it then and I still think it today, Irvin was the better receiver of the two. He not only brought more impact to the position, he literally changed the position and that's something Rice never did. And then let's not forget the West Coast style offense Rice played in. Short little dunk passes that racked up so many stats for that old boy. Take away our than ever dominate running game that had a nifty knack for finding the endzone, and Irvin was a 10-15rec a game receiver with a majority of the endzone celebrations going to him over #22.

Rice and Irvin are like Barry and Emmitt. One with the stats vs one with the higher hurdles to overcome. Who was better? I say Barry with our Offensive Line would have been a 2000 yard a year type of player, probably average. Irvin in San Fran's west-coast style offensive, competing against no league dominating running game is an easy 1500+ yard a year receiver and averages over 100 catches a year. The guy was unstoppable like Jerry Rice only wished he was.

I also remember Dieon after having practiced with both Rice and Irvin extensively, stating that Irvin was the player that rose his game higher by doing so. Not to mention Green eating dust many times after Irvin had left him spinning in circles. And as you stated, those two were the "cream of the crop" at their positions. Well Irvin's practice was to make ******es out of them both.

Rules were made to stop this guy!

Why is this having to be explained to a "Cowboy fan"??! You know Irvin was the best! Shame on you.

 

[Hostile]

Man-to-man shutdown the guy across from you, Deion is far superior to D. Green and arguably the best ever.

And as the Hall of Fame has emphasized recently that a major criteria is impact on the game and the "fame" of the player, Deion embodies that. He was an enormously popular, well known, and game-changing player.

By the Hall's criteria, Deion is one of the surest things and a much better prospect than Green for entry.

But that's by the Hall's criteria.

A different result forms when the question is changed to which was a better player or who would you prefer to have on your team at year 1 of their respective careers. Green was not as good as a pure cover corner or kick returner than Green. But Green was a better tackler and teammate. Green was more of a lunch-pail kind of player instead of a flash player. Green played the game with class and loyalty to his franchise. But, as Monk showed, those factors may actually be a hindrance to a Hall of Fame candidacy because its more under-the-radar and less fame-seeking. But while such behavior doesn't boost HoF chances, it does make a preferable teammate.

They are both sure things. They are both first ballot players, in my opinion. But if the question is who is more of a lock, the answer is Deion as he was a quintessential fame-monger who was great at what he did. But if the question is who would prefer to have on your team, it's a tough call.

I agree with every word of this post.

 

[Hostile]

Go on. You were saying, players like Rice.. And those other players would be? Rice, yea, but you are implying more with that statement. I agree with you on Rice, but as far as the other players go, I think you'd have to dip into current players such as TO and Moss, and that might be all whom when it's all said 'n done rank higher than Irvin.

Irvin was NOT withheld from the first ballot becaues his playing ability lacked.

In fact, I think Irvin in a more WR friendly home like Rice was in, easily matches him talent wise and production wise. Rice was NOT competing with someone like Emmitt Smith for time with the ball. I thought it then and I still think it today, Irvin was the better receiver of the two. He not only brought more impact to the position, he literally changed the position and that's something Rice never did. And then let's not forget the West Coast style offense Rice played in. Short little dunk passes that racked up so many stats for that old boy. Take away our than ever dominate running game that had a nifty knack for finding the endzone, and Irvin was a 10-15rec a game receiver with a majority of the endzone celebrations going to him over #22.

Rice and Irvin are like Barry and Emmitt. One with the stats vs one with the higher hurdles to overcome. Who was better? I say Barry with our Offensive Line would have been a 2000 yard a year type of player, probably average. Irvin in San Fran's west-coast style offensive, competing against no league dominating running game is an easy 1500+ yard a year receiver and averages over 100 catches a year. The guy was unstoppable like Jerry Rice only wished he was.

I also remember Dieon after having practiced with both Rice and Irvin extensively, stating that Irvin was the player that rose his game higher by doing so. Not to mention Green eating dust many times after Irvin had left him spinning in circles. And as you stated, those two were the "cream of the crop" at their positions. Well Irvin's practice was to make ******es out of them both.

Rules were made to stop this guy!

Why is this having to be explained to a "Cowboy fan"??! You know Irvin was the best! Shame on you.

Are you saying Michael Irvin was BETTER than Jerry Rice? Seriously?

 

[dogunwo]

Are you saying Michael Irvin was BETTER than Jerry Rice? Seriously?

That appears to be what he is saying, and its the makings of a thread hijack

 

[cobra]

I agree with every word of this post.

That's good. Because it will be an ugly day if we ever argue over something.:shades:

 

[Stautner]

I'll go against the grain .......

Green is more of a lock, because in the end Green has both a reputation as the elite of the cover corners AND has a spotless reputation. People will WANT to vote for Green, whereas Deion turned a lot of people off.

I really expect both will get in, but if choosing one I think Green would be the man.

 

[Doomsday101]

Darrell Green or Deion Sanders? Maybe you don't consider one of them as a lock.

I don't know I am bored at work today.

I guess I think Darrell Green will definitely get in on the first try.

I think both are sure things of making the HOF.