Who is most like Von Miler in this draft

[IrishAnto]

Well, according to Alexander's boy Chase Goodbread, this is the guy most comparable to Miller in this draft....

Sign me up.

I hope that picture is deceiving.

He looks more like a kicker to me.

 

[Risen Star]

I hope that picture is deceiving.

He looks more like a kicker to me.

Quit being racist.

 

[IrishAnto]

Quit being racist.

Still he does have "purdy lips".

He'll pass Jerry's "shower test"

 

[jnday]

Just for kicks and giggles comparison-wise in terms of college production:

Myles Jack - 3 seasons, 117 tackles, 61 assists, 16 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 4 interceptions, 19 passes defensed, 2 fumble recoveries, 1 forced fumble.
Luke Kuechly - 3 seasons, 299 tackles, 233 assists, 35 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, 7 interceptions, 17 passes defensed, 0 fumble recoveries, 2 forced fumbles.
Von Miller - 4 seasons, 104 tackles, 77 assists, 50 tackles for loss, 33 sacks, 1 interception, 7 passes defensed, 1 fumble recovery, 10 forced fumbles.

Reality really sucks sometimes . There it is in black and white .

 

[MikeT22]

If they are comparable go get that player Im obviously saying this while looking at the play he just made in the Superbowl

What's sad is I'm sure this is exactly what Jerry is thinking too. Always reactionary looking at the latest flavor of the month rather than actually having a solid plan of our own.

But yes, most teams want dominant edge rushers. But there aren't any Von Miller's in this draft.

 

[MikeT22]

Because he is basically a chase linebacker.

It is rather odd though.

Compare him to Sean Lee:

147 tackles, 166 assists, 29.5 tackles for loss, 11 sacks, 3 interceptions, 20 passes defensed, 4 fumble recoveries, 4 forced fumbles.

I am willing to be sold on how great Jack is, but I am just not seeing it unless his athleticism is such a tie breaker that it makes projecting him to be great makes a difference. The production he had in school just does not lay it out. Could be the UCLA scheme, could be the double duty he had at RB. I am still waiting for someone to provide a convincing case he is a can't-miss playmaking force.

Like it's been said, Jack isn't a 3/4 pass rushing OLB that would translate to a 4-3 DE. He's a 4-3 LB and those generally aren't top five draft picks. That's reserved for the Von Miller's and Khalil Mack's.

 

[jnday]

Still he does have "purdy lips".

He'll pass Jerry's "shower test"

After Jerry's comments a couple years ago , don't joke about this stuff .

 

[jterrell]

Noah Spence is closest this draft has to Von Miller. He is almost identical in size. May be a step slower but so are all pass rushers.

Myles Jack is more like Sean Lee. He is just at the ball every play. Too quick to block and fast enough to get wherever the ball goes.

If he gets drafted by Carolina you'd see him rush the passer quite well. Much like... Luke Kuechly --lord that dude needs an easier to spell surname, lol.

Jack will have to be an up the middle blitzer. He's not an edge rusher.

 

[jterrell]

Just for kicks and giggles comparison-wise in terms of college production:

Myles Jack - 3 seasons, 117 tackles, 61 assists, 16 tackles for loss, 1 sack, 4 interceptions, 19 passes defensed, 2 fumble recoveries, 1 forced fumble.
Luke Kuechly - 3 seasons, 299 tackles, 233 assists, 35 tackles for loss, 2.5 sacks, 7 interceptions, 17 passes defensed, 0 fumble recoveries, 2 forced fumbles.
Von Miller - 4 seasons, 104 tackles, 77 assists, 50 tackles for loss, 33 sacks, 1 interception, 7 passes defensed, 1 fumble recovery, 10 forced fumbles.

Jack only played 2 seasons and 2+ games. 1 of those games in 2015 was your typical early season blowout where back ups played by half-time.

It's not hard at all to watch the tape of Jack and understand the insane play-making ability, but it's clear he isn't a pass-rusher. In a soft draft he might be the best overall athlete.
But his value will vary according to teams. For a 4-3 Miami type team he'd be VERY valuable because he is essentially a heavier, stronger Sean Lee.
He terrorizes QBs with his coverage skills not his pass rush. His potential is through the roof BUT I can understand the not at 4 argument. His speed on film will make you shudder, but he doesn't make as many plays as he could either. He's still very raw.

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/myles-jack/

 

[Floatyworm]

I agree. Spence is more Demarcus Ware than Von Miller.

A guy with potential to play SAM on running downs and rush passer on passing downs is Dadi Nicolas. Zatavius Brown is another similar player. But neither are as fast or as strong or as good in coverage as Miller.

Zatavias Brown is nothing like Von Miller...You do know he is 5'11 and about 215lbs?

 

[BAT]

Zatavias Brown is nothing like Von Miller...You do know he is 5'11 and about 215lbs?

He's similar because he can rush the passer, tackle well and speed in coverage. I agree that he is undersized, but I was not making a physical comparison.

 

[RS12]

Who is most like Von Miler in this draft

I knew Jerry posted here.

 

[CCBoy]

Well he was offensive AND defensive pac 12 rookie of the year.

Also read report where they were in practice trying to run their run plays and he was killing it so much that the HC told him to go over and do one on one drills with DBs vs WRs.

Now does that means his stats are skewed...I don't have a clue.

I do know that this kid has some crazy athletic skills and seems to be a hell of a defensive player. I just don't know where they would play him to get the best out of him. But I just don't see another defensive player in this draft that is rated this high that can do so much. I don't see any of the top DBs being as good as him. I don't see the top DE (Bosa) being as good as him. I don't see a DT as high as him in this draft. I would argue the only defensive player that is as good as he is would be the other LB Smith but he had his injury so he will not go as high.

But take that from someone who is just a fan on a message board and not some professional scout or arm chair scout.

To me there are only three legitimate players the cowboys should take with the #4 spot....Jacks is the only defensive player and Goff and Wentz are the other two players and I think they are over rated but at the same time when you get a chance to take what you feel is a franchise QB...You take him because you never know when we will need to replace Romo and only have a Quincy Carter draft slot available to us.

I don't think they take Tunsil if he falls...even though I think he is the best player in this draft. I just don't see them taking him.
I could see them taking Ramsey or Bosa but I just don't know if either is worth the pick. I don't like the idea of a top DB with a lack of INTs coming into a team that can't seem to coach their DBs into INTs. I think Bosa could be a good to great player but I just don't feel it...then again I did not think JJ Watt was going to be a huge difference maker as a 3-4 DE and look that he has done. I will leave the WR out of the equation as i want to see what his 40 time will be. I don't think you take a WR in the top 5 of the draft if he is a slow WR.

So to me..just me...It should be one of the two QBs or Jack.

Which means it will probably be Bosa or Ramsey.

My two favorites at 4, are Tunsil and Jack. I would not be disturbed with a QB or Ramsey.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Brian Urlacher...Freak New Mexico

Prior to the draft it was said some teams liked him as a Safety and others liked him as a LB. It seemed the bears like him as a LB and he turned out ok.

Darren Woodson Freak, Arizona State

He actually played "some" time as DE in college and played "Some" time as a LB.

Campo said "spotted a linebacker who looked like a safety in waiting"

He just got too big. No joke, Urlacher might have been a better Safety in the NFL then LB but he just kept growing. Eventually, he just got too big and that was it. He was a heck of a Safety though.

 

[Alexander]

Brian Urlacher...Freak New Mexico

Prior to the draft it was said some teams liked him as a Safety and others liked him as a LB. It seemed the bears like him as a LB and he turned out ok.

Darren Woodson Freak, Arizona State

He actually played "some" time as DE in college and played "Some" time as a LB.

Campo said "spotted a linebacker who looked like a safety in waiting"

I think both had good football instincts that were transferable. Jack, at least from what I have seen, was not asked to do a varying amount of things in their scheme.

There is more than a little out there that questions if he has top notch diagnostic skills. Seems most everyone raves about his twitch and explosiveness, which is unquestioned, but few say he has the IQ to apply it across the board.

 

[ghst187]

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